Does anyone else feel as if it’s over when it comes to really owning your own things?
As of now:
- You don’t have the option of having a phone with decent specs and replaceable parts
- You have to have really good knowledge in tech to have private services that are on par with what the big companies offer
- You have to put up with annoying compatibility issues if you install a custom ROM on your android phone
- You cannot escape apps preventing you from using them if you root your device
- Cars are becoming SaaS bullcrap
- Everything is going for a subscription model in general
And now Google is attempting to implement DRM on websites. If that goes through, Firefox is going to be relegated to privacy conscious websites (there aren’t many of those). At this point, why even bother? Why do I go to great lengths at protecting my privacy if it means that I can’t use most services I want?
It sucks because the obvious solution is for people to move away from these bullshit companies and show that they actually care about their privacy. Even more important is to actually PAY for services they like instead of relying on free stuff. I’m not optimistic not just because the non privacy conscious side is lazy, but because my side is greedy. I mean one of the most popular communities on lemmy is “piracy” which makes it all the more reasonable for companies not to listen to privacy conscious people.
I wouldn’t say that this is the endgame but in this trajectory, privacy is gone before 2030.
digital anything was never a thing you owned. it’s a thing you lease.
if you want to own things buy physical copies.
no idea what you are on about the phone. I buy moto phones for like $150 unlocked and they are great.
Data is a physical object. Change my mind.
The value in data is less in the medium than the actual information. Information is by very definition intangible. Data is therefore not physical.
Ah, but without a storage medium, information becomes extremely difficult to exchange. The entire corpus of human knowledge would be worthless and impossible to learn from were it not for storage mediums like books to records to hard drives. Societies without written languages only have oral histories, and oral histories are rife with mistakes and misrememberings.
Do you think you could effectively learn from a lecture that demanded that a teacher remember it all from memory and students weren’t allowed to take notes?
Beyond that, technically, the human brain is also a storage medium for information, although an extremely imperfect one.
Sure, the information is by very definition intangible, which means it’s effectively worthless without a medium in which to exist and be able to be parsed by other humans.
EDIT: Further, does information not cease to exist when it’s storage medium is destroyed? If I drill through a hard drive, or burn a book, or see a person die… the information in each one of those storage mediums goes bye bye. It goes from intangible to nonexistent.
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My X TB music library goes brrr
Spotify who?
They consider revenue streams more important than one-off payment.
So everything becomes service and we are left in this non-ownership economy where we own nothing.
Why would they sell you something for $50 one time, when they can charge you $9.99 / month forever?
Wouldn’t google’s DRM be considered a monopoly? Not in the US, but don’t they have laws and regulations against this type of stuff?
Nah, because it will be considered a service that people choose to integrate with, and you won’t be required to use Google’s authentication service
You will if you want your website indexed by Google.
Yes, also pretty sure Meta will roll their own offering too since the main appeal is for advertisers.
So my choice is gonna be between Google or Meta?
Real Sophie’s Choice there huh? 🫠
At that point, other than at work, I will stop using the internet.
Even if it was, it likely wouldn’t be enforced, since it’s overseen by lawmakers and judges who have only the barest sense of what a webpage even is.
And are all on Google’s payroll.
You will own nothing and you will be happy
Graphene OS does a great job of protecting your privacy. Although, since it doesn’t rely on google services, unless you want to sandbox some, most of the time you don’t get push notifications. Which isn’t that bad.
And in terms of actually owning things, instead of relying on subscriptions services, that’s what Web3/NFTs are trying to solve. Despite the fact that everyone loves to shit on them, and they’re in their infancy, their utility far exceeds overpriced pictures. Right now you have to indefinitely subscribe to Netflix or Prime to access movies and shows you’ve already paid for, but if you bought an NFT of the movie, no one could gate keep that media from you. Musicians could cheaply disburse their songs to people and not be price gouged by Spotify, and any digital asset you bought would truly be yours, including video games and their skins/weapons/pets/etc, with the ability to resell those as you saw fit. As well, there would be an incentive for the studios that create this media to make them into NFTs, because unlike with physical copies, they would make a cut of every single sale that happens. So, they’d make money on the initial sale, and then a cut of you selling to a friend, your friend selling to someone else, ect.
What I think it, ultimately, comes down to is people getting, too, complacent and just accepting any ToS that’s thrown in their face, because they can be dozens of pages long, and we just want to use the service right then and there.
+1 for GraphineOS, but I can’t get behind NFTs. The technology is cool, but for me, the definition of “owning” something includes not only the ability to view it, but also the ability to modify it. If I own an NFT of a song, then I could listen to the song, but I still couldn’t, say, make a remix of it, which for me is the entire point of owning it in the first place.
For most of the music I’ve seen, the artists give you the rights to use their music. Like in videos, games, etc. Which I would assume includes remixing.
If you reduce your consumption corporations can’t screw you over that much. Also it’s good for the environment.
true. why should I need a facebook account? I only need to talk to the few dozen people I know, not to the millions or billions of mostly bot accounts.
God bless the hackers, crackers, reverse engineers, and disrupters. Pray they help keep you free of too much pain.
God bless the hackers, crackers, reverse engineers, and disrupters. Pray they help keep you free of too much pain.
That’s delusional. As soon as more and more parts of software are run remotely on proprietary hard- & software there will be nothing to hack or crack. Sure, someone could reverse engineer it, but there aren’t enough hobbyists in the world to rewrite all this software.
We see this more and more in gaming… it used to be the case that they just gave you the software to run your own game in multiplayer setups, nowadays, if they shut off the servers, the game is dead (unless, someone releases a very wonky, extremely buggy, barely usable, reverse engineered server with 10% of the features some time down the line)
Compatibility issues? Unspecified root problems? Nope, I ain’t feeling’em.
Tech knowledge is required to use smaller services? Just a fraction of what was required before, just about enough to operate in digital world in general.
Cars are becoming SaaS? Whatever brings them closer to extinction works for me.
Some companies are trying to bring SaaS to the world of bicycles. It’s not going well. Or rather, they’re going out of business.
VanMoof did this. Then their Dutch branch went tits up. Now they have sold shit bikes that won’t unlock without their cloud services.
They say they’re being bought out and the bikes still work for now, but who knows what’ll happen when the new owners think these servers are costing them too much money.
Luckily there’s an app out there for VanMoof customers to download their unlock keys and store them safely (in an app on their phone or in plaintext form). Made by a competitor of VanMoof, funnily enough…
Consumers have choice. Even my non tech friends and family were suspicious of iot bs from the early days of it. something which worked for centuries , was repairable, and could be shared within a community now attempting to be sold at quadruple the price, requiring some bs cloud subscription (with data to be onsold to harvesting probably) and able to be crippled with the flick of a firmware switch on the other side of the world to allow you the privilege of ‘upgrading’ to a better model? nice try venture capital crippled tech bros. Bikes never needed to be sprinkled with silicon valley snake oil. Im sure the founders made their cash and ran, but what a waste of energy and productivity.
Yeah, and it’s not just that. It adds unnecessary complexity. All that many parts to break. Bikes already have a problem with too many non-standard components. I had one part break that was simple, but specific to that particular bike. The manufacturer happened to have a few extra around that they sent, but my impression was that (a) there weren’t many more and (b) they didn’t even know where they had come from. When much of the industry is in that state, we don’t need more fancy components.
You will forever have these feelings, if you have a better world than the status quo in mind. Be careful to not be overwhelmed by them, if you suffer too much long term you could give up or become a cynic. Nothing is perfect, we strive to make better systems (and smartphones).
Yeah I guess it never really was perfect. But this one really caught me off guard since I took it for granted that the web is more free than the walled gardens that Google and Apple make. But the FOSS community is making some cool stuff these days that we gotta focus on.
“Just pretend this dystopia is a utopia and you’ll be fine!”
No just don’t pretend we live in a dystopia, things could be worse. Could be better as well though…
Lmao but it’s real??? They don’t need to pretend… are you aware of the DRM situation?
Who’s pretending?
If you think this is a dystopia, I have a lot of books for you to read.
There’s a lot of dystopian shit going down, but (assuming you hail from a first world country) we are definitively not living in one.
Wean yourself off news media, limit your consumption of it. They literally make their money through keeping eyes watching. The easiest way to do that is to keep viewers feeling like there are ongoing crises constantly and to stoke visceral emotional response in their readership/viewership as much as possible.
This is not some issue siloed off to news organizations that lean to one political side or the other, it is an inherent result of how they all generate revenue in the modern age. They are all optimizing for ad impressions.
These are hard times, not end times.
Your slightly condescending tone is obscuring a decent message. I agree with you.
Your suggestions are appreciated but they were not asked for - I don’t like pretending.
My wife is a journalism major and I’m very involved locally in politics.
Weaning myself off the news won’t make the planet any cooler during this time.
Weaning myself off the news doesn’t stop those with money and influence from being above the law.
Weaning myself off the news doesn’t change anything, except make me less informed.
Ignorance may be bliss to some, but to others it’s just ignorance. Downvote away, but honestly I’ll stick to this until we have an actual Utopia (without slaves).
My man are you for real? You commented in a public forum on the internet. You’re going to get unasked for feedback/advice/shit talking/commentary. That’s just how things work.
And no one’s asking you to pretend, whatever you mean by that. I’m assuming you mean that it’s impossible to accept that this world is not a dystopia, so doing otherwise requires one to pretend?
I’m asserting that we are not living in a dystopia as you and many others repeatedly claim. Maybe you disagree, but it’s not something that I personally have to pretend. Again I’ll repeat the last sentence of my last comment: These are hard times, not end times.
Plus, there’s a whole spectrum of news media exposure between “drinking from the fire hose” and “burying your head in the sand”. Everyone should stay informed, but there’s a lot in the news that only serves to get emotional response over things that have no impact on your life, where knowing of it does not convey any significant value besides emotional effect.
I have seen far too many people actively contribute to their own mental issues due to feeling some obligation to engage in news that has no direct impact on their lives, or that they can do nothing about but worry. Additionally, being aware of the emotional and psychological effects of media exposure does not make you in any way immune to it. I know way too many people suffering from depression and anxiety related issues directly and significantly exacerbated by how much they consume news media, which is why I have a hard time keeping my trap shut about this.
Moving past that, being married to a journalism major is not the supporting argument you may think it is. Of course you would bristle at the idea that news media may be harmful when you are married to someone who spent years training to be in that industry. I’m not saying any of this as an attack on journalists themselves or as an attack on caring about what is going on in the world. Ideally journalists and news organizations serve a vital part of keeping people informed, which is vital to a good society and proper political process. Unfortunately the entire way that news media makes money to continue to exist in the modern era is entirely dependant on optimizing for views, which means optimizing for emotional impact.
Fuck yeah, this is the right attitude. It absolutely takes more mental effort and acuity to shift through the piles of absolute bullshit produced by modern media to generate rage and clicks and engagement, however, expending that energy to do so is so fucking important.
Checking out and being like “the news makes me too upset” is kind of part of the problem. Honestly, if you’re not fucking furious every minute of every day for the horrors modern humans suffer under the richest nations on the planet, you’re not paying the fuck attention, and that’s on you.
And here we have an intense difference in world view.
If you’re actually “fucking furious every minute of every day”, you have a serious emotional issue. And you’re hiding behind this idea that reading more news has any reflection on mental acuity to justify it. Effort, hell yes it takes more effort, but fuck off with elitism over your righteous anger.
You don’t need to sift through all the piles of absolute bullshit to stay informed, or to be aware of all the horroble shit in the world. It doesn’t take a concentrated effort to be aware. It does take a concentrated effort to stay emotionally invested in things that don’t directly effect you, and I’m of the opinion that effort is much better spent taking action, or simply doing what you can to better your small slice of the world every day.
Unfortunately it is extremely unlikely for any of us to have significant impact on large scale issues in the world. Stay reasonably informed, do what you can, and get on with your life. No sense in wallowing when there’s far better uses of time and energy.
Nuance status: out the window
I find it hard to play make believe as an adult.
I mean “You’re right. Everything is fine.”
You threw out the baby with the bathwater here… they’re saying you can be hopeful while still facing reality. Hopelessness like this is useless. Woe is me, let’s do nothing. Worthless perspective tbqh
Who said I do nothing?
I’m on the leadership board for my local political party’s senate district as a Table Officer.
I help field manage and campaign with leftist candidates door knocking weekly (edit: and my candidates win).
I’m pretty involved.
Maybe I do those things because of my “worthless perspective”… but… what do you do?
How are you making change? What are you doing besides throwing insults at a person who is helping, especially when volunteers are so hard to come by?
Edit: As you can tell, I’m all “woe is me, let’s do nothing…”
Your perspective stated above doesn’t align with my idea of someone who would be politically active. I’m glad you are fighting the good fight instead of simply participating in slacktivism, and I wasn’t trying to imply that you personally did nothing. I’m implying that your stated perspective above discourages action by instilling a sense of hopelessness.
I am also politically active although not to the degree you are; I participate in protests and mutual aid as well as other smaller forms of political activism. I do as much as I can given my mental health, which is an ever increasing amount as I grow and heal.
If you are participating in politics, you should know that perspective and optics are massively important. Saying “we’re all doomed and there’s no point!” can be harmful, actually. Maybe it helps motivate you, but for most people it’s disheartening.
Awesome, but who said there’s no point? Like, literally. Where?
Maybe you implied that from what I said, but there was no such verbiage.
It’s important to be clear in communicating. I’m sorry that you misunderstood one throw-away line and made an assumption of who I was based on that.
And thank you for the reply, sincerely.
Where is the soma we were promised?
People who use the word Utopia like this don’t seem to be that familiar with what Utopia was actually described to be like in the story the word came from.
I think “utopia” is actually a pretty apt description of what tech companies would like society to be like. An isolated island, with strict hierarchies if who control who, severe punishments for dissenters, a slavery based economy. Removal of the people who become a burden through willing euthanasia or other means, a lack of private property, with travel between sections restricted by internal passports. It seems control and a hard-working, sheepish population are what Utopia thrives on.
By all means, I think the Chinese state is the closest to the description of Utopia. Utopia is quite dystopic!
See below, my dude. Said w/out slaves… I read the book in 11th grade.
You have to at least be able to imagine a utopia to begin creating one, just being unhappy about our collective distopia isn’t gonna help anyone. Systems created and made up of people can be destroyed by people, it’s very difficult but it can be done, and if we think we’re in a dystopia there’s good reason to destroy some systems.
Thanks for the reply. I help locally :)
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Cynicism, i.e. the view that everyone else has base motivations, is the definition of a self-fulfilling prophesy. You’re cynical? Well, soon everyone around you will be too, and where will we be then? All the politicians are crooks and phonies? Well, they sure will be soon if everyone voting for them thinks that. In fact, as far as I can see, cynicism is the rule across the world, and look at the state most countries are in. For comparison (there aren’t many), check out the world’s least cynical countries - i.e., those with the highest social trust, where people believe that “others are basically good”, where they trust their politicians. I won’t name them (you can guess them) but those countries just happen to have the best indicators on pretty much every measure of success - not just economic wealth but also all the social indicators and indeed happiness. To me at least, the connection is plain obvious. Being a cynic is a choice, and a completely counterproductive one if you want to see good things in the world.
Skepticism, on the other hand? I’m all in on that.
I disagree.
/nihilist
Agreed, I’m currently moving my digital life to free software to escape that bullshit.
While everything else seems to be caught up in enshittification, free software is constantly improving.
Yeah that’s true. I guess I forgot that there are some really cool stuff that are objrctively better than the google stuff like hosting your own NAS, backup, local high quality music from Bandcamp, etc. Not to mention that Lemmy is really growing on me now.
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We get all of the bad parts, without any of the cool parts. Except for smart phones. Smart phones are pretty amazing, actually.
There’s a phone company out of Europe, Fairphone, that’s striving to fix these problems. I can’t really say if their specs are up to par or not (fwiw their newest phone can do 5G), but you can repair you phone with their Spare Parts offerings, like the selfie camera, earpiece, rear cameras, speaker, USB-C port, display, back cover, battery, etc.
Issue is that you can’t buy it in the US or elsewhere, but there are some tricks where you can get it into the US/CA by going with Clove or Reship.
Phone looks to work best on T-Mobile networks, so AT&T or Verizon users might see terrible performance.
So, not panacea, but a decent solution for those willing to go down that path.
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help the fact that you only put a one in the first paragraph is bothering me
I’ve never heard of Clove or Reship before though, thanks!
I was just responding to the first point made by OP. Didn’t intend on commenting on the other stuff because either I agree or don’t know enough to contribute!
No worries, my problem was that markdown indents the first paragraph after a list item declaration like
1.. My recommendation which you can definitely ignore is just ditch the number
Fairphone is excellent for repairability and the general ethics their company have, but that comes at the cost of performance and software updates. They don’t come close to modern flagships and their Android versions are years behind. Making a good, private phone costs money, and few people care enough about their privacy to buy a Fairphone.
That said, phone hardware has become fast enough that even the slower SoCs will work just fine for most people and it’s not like Android has gained any important features in the last two or three major updates.
Things aren’t as bleak in Europe :)
Unfortunately, we still suffer a bit. A lot of internet content originates from USA and the rest of America. And the big tech companies, who control a lot of the market standards, are also from there.
And the U.S. completely lost any interest in regulating companies or breaking up monopolies, seeing how the representatives are constantly bankrolled or looking to be bankrolled by those very monopolies.
Yes, we need to pass laws that prevent companies from blocking access to their services on the basis of using privacy tools. Basically apps should be able to run on any customised client device and they should only legally able to say “no” if my session is clearly demonstrating malicious interactions.
We need better consumer protection laws.
