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That’s it Microsoft…keep pushing more people to use Linux. 🐧
Linux people are so annoying
Yeah we are… but not more annoying than Microsoft pushing ads everywhere. 😋
:3
It’s working. I’m in the (looooooong) process of moving over to Linux.
Same here, I used to be 100% Windows, now I only have a single device in my house that uses it. Windows becomes less useful over time as they push these dark patterns as Linux continues to improve.
I’m similar, I have my gaming desktop running Win10, and my old gaming desktop which migrated from Win7 to Win10 acting as a media center PC. Everything else is using Linux, either Debian or Proxmox. When Win10 hits end of life, the media center PC is an easy upgrade to Debian, but proton only supports ~70% of the games I’d like to play well, so I either need to keep a Windows machine around, or do virtualization + hardware passthrough, both of which are a pain.
With the direction Windows is going, I don’t think I’ll really even want a VM in 2030.
Gaming is literally the only thing keeping me chained to windows. As you said 70% is not 100% and I play a lot of random games. It’s not enough to play some of what I want just to avoid Microsuck even though I reallllllly want to…
Exactly. I only have my workstation on Windows still. Well, it has Linux too, but I use some Windows only software and hardware so it’ll be some time before I figure that out. Will probably have to run Windows in a VM with hardware pass through, if I can get reasonable latency for music production that way.
Look, no hate, but I always find these kinds of comments funny because I’ve been reading them for over twenty years.
It’s not going to happen, certainly not in any significant numbers.
Hell, look at the fediverse. The vast majority of internet users find signing up to mastodon hard, let alone lemmy. How the hell are these people supposed to install linux, for example when they follow many an ‘easy’ linux installation guide, but then find Rufus isn’t able to create a bootable USB stick in fat32? How are they supposed to verify their data, or hell change the bios settings when the guide they read gives them the wrong key to press to enter the bios? And then if by some miracle they do manage to install linux, you expect them to move away from all the apps they’ve grown used to? They’ll try to install MS office on linux and blame this not working on linux.
TLDR: Gretchen! Stop trying to make mass linux adoption happen! It’s not going to happen!
So, do you stop rooting for your favourite sports team because they can’t be world champion? Do you not support a small artist you like because he won’t ever be as big as van Gogh?
Like, will desktop Linux overtake Windows anytime soon in market share? No. Do I use Linux on all my machines? Yes. Does that mean I’m not allowed to like it / hope for more adoption or hell, help people who would like to get away from Windows?
I get your point and I mostly agree. But why exactly should that be an argument for people to stop liking / improving something that’s objectively got more future?
he won’t ever be as big as van Gogh
Wait until you learn how big van Gogh was during his life…
I don’t think entry level users are what will be converted, at least first. It’s users like you and me. Users that, for whatever reason, haven’t preferred Linux historically. I’ve tried the new popular distro every few years to ‘check in’ with Linux, and each time I ended up running into some issue which reaffirmed my preference for Windows sooner or later.
Until I tried Debian 12 a couple of months ago, that is. Between nonfree drivers, Wayland and its compatibility throughout the ecosystem, and updates to GNOME, it’s honestly been refreshingly user-friendly and feels more optimised than Windows.
Importantly, in searching for alternatives to Windows-only software I use, I didn’t have any problems and in one case actually ended up finding new software I prefer.
The peace of mind of my OS not trying to sell me something or trying to farm my engagement is nice too, but not why I’d recommend giving it a try. I’ve always gotten behind it in principle support of free software, but now I can get behind it actually using it. I’d recommend it because it genuinely seems better in my general use.
It’s not going to happen
It’s…been happening. Notice how gaming on Linux is an actual thing and large companies like Valve now put out things like the SteamDeck that use Linux, not Windows.
windows costs money, per device. microsoft places limits, pretty strict ones, on how far oems can go wrt customizations of the oobe, the ui/ux, and other shit. valve didn’t chose linux because of anything other than it was the only reasonable choice for what they wanted to produce.
Valve has been doing (or trying to do) Linux things for a long time. The reason is Microsoft’s move towards a centralized Windows Store and their Xbox on Windows. That’s a huge threat to Valve because they could all of a sudden find themselves in a situation where the preferred way to game on Windows is through their gaming competitor Microsoft’s services because they control the OS. That’s why Valve has been working hard for many years now to get gaming on Linux to the state it’s currently in. It’s for survival on their part.
Just the fact Linux is a viable, and preferred, choice for a gaming handheld speaks volumes to how far Windows has slipped. This was an arena that nobody else competed in 10 years ago, the only choice was Windows. Now if you want a gaming handheld that won’t chew through the battery via piles of ads and background processes, Linux is the choice.
TL;DR:
“Stop advocating for things you care about, it’ll never happen. Fuck your passions and your want to share them with people.”
That’s how you sound.
Linux has something like 15% market share in India and growing
How is this bad
It either pushes them to an actual supported Windows OS, or to a FOSS/Linux OS. Both scenarios are good
windows has sucked ever since 8
Off topic, why does clicking keep windows 10 trigger the admin pop up? What does it need permission to do? It ain’t for removing the ad because I still get it most boots
Because it wants administrative privileges to reverse the changes it already made to your PC
Oh… well I’ve been constantly hitting no after it asked once and nothing changed. I initially thought it would disable the windows 11 prompt entirely
I’ve tried to upgrade but the updater rolls it back every time. Idk what’s up lol but my PC has given up trying to ask me
Does your computer have a TPM?
Yeah it covers all the requirements
The updater clearly wants you to use the better version of Windows. And that isn’t Windows 11. ;p
I didn’t even get a question, just straight up installed Windows 11 on my Surface with a bunch of cumulative roll ups after using it again for the first time in about 8 months. Couldn’t even stop it once the “windows update” started, only option is to allow the reboot and then go through the hassle of rolling back to 10. It’s a tertiary device for me and goes long periods without being used and I was probably ok with testing 11 performance on it, but don’t appreciate being strong armed. I had to kill modern standby again to prevent battery drain while shut down, which is plaguing my laptop after I tried 11 on it.
Windows 11 is straight up unusable in multi-monitor configurations though due to the locked down UI customization, so my main rig won’t be touching it with a 20ft pole. If Linux had more consistent VR gaming performance and support, I’d probably be jumping ship. As it stands, once 10 hits EOL I’ll probably end up there anyway. Microsoft will be killing one of my headsets at the same time anyway by dropping WMR, and I hear there is some great Linux options for the Surface Pro line now too.
These incessant, full-screen upgrade ads, with no way of canceling other than a small “Remind me later” tucked away in the corner, where the final straw from me switching to Linux.
When this screen recently came up, i had a mini stroke because it looked like it just updated itself… Iam really sold for linux mint, but my laptop is currently my desktop and i need functional Dockingstation use and an external gpu. Which doesn’t do well on Linux :(
Jokes on them, I disabled by TPM chip and I’m now incompatible. Fuck W11
Some regedit tweaks can bypass it. But yeah
Windows update can revert a regedit change. Can’t fuckin touch the BIOS / UEFI
Doesnt actually matter in this case. After the install you can revert the tweaks and your still good. It just trys to prevent the install.
I have even clonned full win11 installs to systems that do not meet the minimum requirement. And it boots no problem (ofcourse disable bitlocker before clonning if it is enabled.)
Not these entries m8
Maybe not. But I remember there was a regedit for disabling Cortana and Microsoft straight up revered it in an update. Not only that, windows was unable to boot and I had to fix it in safe mode
Shit tier os
Enshitification continues.
I’m thankful that I made the Switch to Linux after Windows 10 forced updates got annoying while gaming. I’ll deal with whatever trade offs. I only need Windows for my Elgato atm.
Say what you will about Apple but I don’t have to put up with this insane shit at least on their computers. I really wonder how long they hold out on this stuff.
You have to deal with different shit thought. Source: been using both Windows and Mac for over 20 years now.
Yeah for sure they both have their pros and cons, I’ve used both extensively. This just happens to be something that would particularly fucking infuriate me and I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it on my daily driver.
Sorta feels like someone kicking the door into your house and tacking up billboards on your walls or something.
The problem with Apple is that it’s not your computer. It’s their computer and they get to dictate everything you do on it.
How so?
Their phones maybe? But not really Macs… You can have full root access, edit system files, replace the OS, whatever.
Please elaborate.
So this was the exact thing that pushed me over to the FOSS side the last time they did it. Nice to see the tradition of annoying users to the point of them abandoning Microsoft is alive and well.
I would upgrade to windows 11 if it wasn’t full of ads, I had two computers accidentally upgrade after mis-clicking an upgrade prompt and the experience was bad enough I reloaded the whole computer.
Not only that, but it doesn’t make sense to have a task bar on the bottom of an ultrawide display. I’ve been putting my taskbar on the left side for over a decade, and now you just can’t do that for some reason…
The task bar is my main reason for staying on 10. Forced grouping with icons only and no option to change it is such a bizarre design decision.
Edit: Sounds like my last major gripe with W11 has been fixed! Dreading a forced switch to 11 much less now.
I can change it on 2H22 with these instructions
I had to use it on a work laptop briefly. It is still insane, when you run out of space it the apps then get put in this crappy overflow area.
You know what I used to be able to do? Make the taskbar 2, or even 3 lines. No more.
I’m staying on windows 10 for work as long as I can help it.
The “show more” menu on right click is absolute insanity. I right click files constantly, all day.
They’ve taken features away for seemingly no reason.
you can now set taskbar to ungrouped (unless full) now in win11, as of one of the recent monthly updates. still can’t move the taskbar to the left side (my preference on wide screen displays), though.
And honestly the never combined feature is really really buggy, and just downright ugly with the way it resizes the bars based on the amount of text in the window’s name, even when there’s empty space left on the taskbar. If you have your file explorer open to c:/ the bar for the File Explorer is ridiculously tiny, for no good reason. If you want uniform, clean, consistently sized tasks that only shrink to make room when the taskbar is full, forget it.
It also just gets stuck. A lot. If you have a full bar and it needs to combine, then close a couple windows to free space, a lot of times it won’t do what it’s supposed to do and “ungroup” the remaining windows. It’s very inconsistent about when and how it chooses to combine, uncombine, and shrink things.
It just barely works well enough that I’ll grit my teeth with it on my work computer, because I don’t have a choice about that, but I’m not abandoning the Windows 10 taskbar for this at home.
My work machine is W11 and has options to change it. Not one of those stupid ‘home’ vs ‘pro’ version things is it?
You can only align the icons to the left, but you can’t move the entire taskbar to the side.
Or to the top!
It’s not, that was “fixed” a while ago.
The update for grouping just came out a few weeks ago on 11. I know this because when I started a job 5 months ago as a regional analyst it was pure hell with windows 11 until grouping became available. I swear it knocked 10% productivity off the top.
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They (finally) changed this in a patch a few months ago. W11 still sucks, but at least it can now do this one thing that all the previous versions could do.
You can move the “start” button to the left but you can’t move the entire taskbar to the right or left to be a vertical stripe going down the side. I don’t do it but a right or left vertical bar makes much more sense than horizontal given today’s wide and ultra wide monitors.
Good catch. I somehow missed the second part of the comment I was replying to - I was referring to the ability to finally ungroup taskbar items in W11.
For that matter, they said the reason for the new centered taskbar was to be better for touch screens. Centered on the left or right, sure, but centered on the bottom? That’s probably the least convenient spot for a touch interface, especially on a laptop.
I don’t like start button being on the center when using mouse, but come on, when using touch screen on my laptop I don’t really care where it’s at exactly, as it takes roughly the same amount of time to move my finger to any place on the screen.
The keyboard gets in the way a bit for me when things are lower on the screen. Haven’t tried it with a tablet, but I would assume that keeping controls near the sides, where you’re already holding the device, would be beneficial there, too.
This is also my main reason for not switching and let me tell you this issue is NOT fixed. Do not upgrade to 11. You don’t have an option to use small taskbar icons, making the ungrouped tabs massive. Plus they resize themselves constantly. I use 11 at work and the only workaround as of now is third party stuff that either costs money, is a resource hog, or both.
Thank you for clarifying. That sounds awful.
I’m so confused by the ads thing. I don’t think I’ve noticed any since upgrading to Win 11. Are they only on certain editions or something?
https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-remove-most-annoying-ads-from-windows
check out how many settings you have to search and disable to turn off MOST of the ads in windows. It’s completely ridiculous.
they keep moving that shit around, too. seems like i’m always finding some new crevice they’ve hidden some setting they don’t want you to know about.
What? I was expecting registry edits from your description. Actually hidden shit. Those examples are all right where you should expect those settings to be.
That really isn’t that many settings, and while it would be nice to have a collected “ads” settings page, those are all located sanely. You just need to pay a modicum of attention to where the ads are on your system, then go to the associated settings page.
Do people in general just not ever go through the settings when they first get something new? I feel like that’s the equivalent of buying some flat packed Ikea furniture and complaining about how shit it is after you throw away the instructions and can’t figure out how it needs to be put together.
This was my thought as well. Pretty sure I already have all of that turned off but I would have done that as part of the install and brief customizing of the UI. Can’t say I ever used a guide or anything, or even considered it unusual for modern software.
Do people in general just not ever go through the settings when they first get something new?
Basically, yeah. Lots of people just mindlessly click next to be finished as fast as possible instead of looking at the page and seeing what it turns on by default.
Microsoft’s Windows 10 and Windows 11 operating systems are PCMag Editors’ Choice picks
lol
That’s what confuses me. There are absolutely ads, it’s just fake installed apps. But amount of ads are exactly the same as windows 10. They’re in all the same places, same types (mostly the start menu). Shit you could say 10 has more since that awful edge desktop widget doesn’t exist by default on 11 as far as I’m aware.
Do people just have such deeply debloated windows 10 installs that they’ve forgotten what windows 10 is actually like? Maybe it’s because it’s been 1.5 years without a major update that reinstalls all the garbage automatically?
I think the key is I simply never interact with the OS outside of opening the search bar or PowerToys Run to type in the program I want to open, clicking on desktop shortcuts, or going into Control Panel. All the places they try to sneak ads in I literally just don’t use because there are other, faster ways to get there.
My start menu is a glorious thing with zero ads. No programs are listen in those shite block tile things. Removed them all and shrank the start menu to be the same size and feel as ptevious windows versions. In fact, I never even use the start menu for anything anymore but typing CMD.
They killed it for me the day it started searching the web instead of the system. I just navigate to the install folders like I always have years and run programs with the actual exe.
Web search can be disabled with a few registry keys.
Not using it is easier
Man I’m programmed to just ctrl+r and type cmd lol
Windows key is 1 less button I need to press
Got me there!
There aren’t more ads than 10 because MS has added those ads to 10 with each update over the years.
Weather bug in taskbar is an ad server. You click on it and it brings up bing stories to get you to click them and see ads. The search bar now has a little daily decoration. Click it for ads. The search menu has bing news- again to bait you into clicking one and seeing an ad.
Ah, that likely explains it. I know when installing I hit “no” on anything that sounds remotely marketing related and I turned off search and weather because they just don’t add any value and I like a clean screen. So I think the only ads I get are the small, unobtrusive ones on the lock screen, which I can’t say I’m bothered by in the slightest. I barely even notice them since it isn’t like I stare at the lock screen.
And all of these are easily disabled with GPO, registry edits, and other basic system administration means.
One shouldn’t have to disable ads in any OS. They shouldn’t exist in the first place.
All of that is disabled on my system.
Windows 10 came with Candy Crush ads in the start menu (on my machine), it’s not any better than W11. Don’t get me wrong, I use W11 and think it sucks more overall, but W10 does the same crap.
The W10 bullshit eventually caused me to leave. Never even made it to 11 haha.
I have to use W11, but I use ExplorerPatcher to make it bearable.
I had to purchase new computers for my wife and son. So W11 home edition it is. $12 for for the family pack of startallback and the PC’s run as they should. It’s so stupid that I have to do it, but it clears out all the annoying shit so it’s worth the few bucks.
I have been using classic shell/open shell since Win8 anyways. My screens look the close to the same since Win7 and I am not changing anytime soon.
I’ve been using classic shell fro years. Is there a reason you’re paying for startallback?
They successfully reverted adding a custom toolbar to the taskbar. I create one for each of my cloud drives and one for the desktop. It turns a folder into a menu.
I organize my files in nested folders. It allows me to open files/programs much faster than searching using the mouse hover on the folders
For example:
Clouddrive^research/2023/ file.
Older files or less frequently used ones are buried deeper in a folder tree. Actives ones are very shallow so it’s fast to find them.
Slows my pc down while downloading and prepping upgrade. Attempts upgrade. Not compatible. Undoes upgrade. Bitches to upgrade the next week…
You know who won’t do you dirty like this?
A certain penguin knows.
I have a dual boot. And the penguin works and Microsoft is still sitting around not having an update. I don’t really care. But I can’t game with out Windows. So, bleh.
I can play every Paradox Game on Linux. Therefore, I can play every game that matters. Now, if you need me, I’ll be in Crusader Kings, trying to build a family tree that looks like a giant beanstalk.
Can’t play certain games* without windows
Which games are keeping you on windows?
I’m curious because I’m in a similar situation, but really the only game I know isn’t going to work is Tarkov.
I think the most major ones are
- Tarkov
- Valorant
- Overwatch
- Fortnite
If you know any other major titles LMK
I play overwatch on endeavouros and I have better experience on it than in windows. League of legends will stop working soon. In general most of the games with rootkit anticheat clients will not work on Linux. On protondb you can see rankings and user comments about games. Last I checked 2% of all games are not working on Linux.
Valorant and now League of Legends use kernel based anti-cheat, so they’re off the table.
Fortnite specifically for me. My son plays it and it’s how we hang out. So, yes. I’m going to keep doing that.
I’m actually transitioning. Windows for what I need it for but daily driver on mint. I think that makes the updates worse since I’m not using Windows as often.
I finally swapped to Linux and it’s been easier than I expected. Don’t know if I’ll ever go back to only windows.
What distro did you go with? Been thinking of switching myself
Not OP, but there’s many beginner friendly distros. I’d look into Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Zorin, or Elementary
Same I was really surprised how easy it was. Thank you Lutris
