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What’s not to like?
I’m looking at unadulterated communism here and I hate it! Remove the green and the tracks and let honest working people park their lifted F 350 to go grocery shopping and bring little Braendin to school!
Well, more communism for me
Green space being used for vehicles instead of for people, even if it is public transport.
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It can and should be both whenever possible.
Unlike roads that need to be completely covered in asphalt, rail only needs, well, rails. The rest can be occupied with greenery, and this is a fantastic example of doing just that.
It is still visually pleasing, still captures CO2, and as a bonus reduces noise coming from the trams. Everybody wins!
It can and should be both whenever possible
Roads or tramlines don’t need greenery. It adds nothing.
It would be much better if this place was a promenade for people, with some benches, a playground for kids, maybe a place to sit and have lunch, … and the transportation stuffed out of sight underground, aka a subway.
rail only needs, well, rails
And overhead lines … which trees often interfere with.
You can’t have an as extensive of a subway network as you can a tram network. It’s not trivial to just make tunnels everywhere, and can have consequences for the terrain. In addition, putting many stops on the subway removes the speed advantage, and so is always a trade-off. Good public transit has both.
And green spaces always add something, no matter where they are.
Looking at the way this particular road is constructed, and the age of the trees, I guarantee that this space was a promenade before and the space to build a tramway has been taken from pedestrians (people) not from cars.
My country had green tram lines since Soviet times; trees had more than enough time to grow.
We need promenades; but there where we lie down transportation (and it’s a necessity, you can’t NOT do this), it better look like this, and not as a giant asphalt road.
Don’t forget that green areas such as this massively cool cities as well (compared to asphalt).
Something which is becoming increasingly important due to climate change.
Looks like a modified pic from Finland
Looks like average Europe
It’s not average even for Helsinki. It’s a brand new line (I thought it was an edited photo) that I had never seen before. Pretty cool but not average in the least.
Czechia?
Helsinki
Off camera, there’s a lawn mower driving as fast as it can away from the approaching tram
I cannot understand people that argue their 6 lane stroad is better than this in any way. It may feel more convenient for some, but at what cost?
I mean, you can kind of understand it since you listed one way it’s better: It’s more convenient for some.
It is only less than half of stroad. You stil have another half to add for people.
I think the key thing is most people don’t like change. They know stroads. They may not love stroads but they work and it’s what they’ve used. I’ve been all over the place in this country and by and large public transportation SUCKS and creates more headaches than anything. Just hopping into a car is 1000x easier. So that’s the view I think most people go into this with. In the cities where public transportation is good, it’s a complete game changer, but they are few and far between so most people don’t have a good reference point. They see people pushing public transportation and think of their own shitty system and say F that.
They’ve also had to invest in their car personally and they don’t want to have their investment nullified. Who do they sell the car to if they’re no good anymore?
Of course, there will still be roads and you might still need the car; but if you have the car why not just drive straight to the place you need to go?
So personal transportation itself is a bit of a problem - you need to make the replacement better than the current status quo. If it doesn’t save people time, if it doesn’t allow people to transport goods as easily as vehicles do, they’re not going to want to give up their car; because at the end of the day it will ultimately complicate things for them.
It’s a huge challenge towards gaining acceptance for public transit.
Probably because public transit requires people to be around other people, and they’d rather get around in their little bubble without interaction (except giving a BMW the finger).
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That is because your transit is underfunded and under prioritized. Good, viable transit is as fast or faster than cars.
underfunded and under prioritized
Or designed and scheduled by incompetence
Japanese transit it a sight to behold. Experienced it firsthand. In the greater Tokyo area taking a car was literally always just a 3 or 4 minute time save AND this was including the walk from anywhere I was at, to the sub, to my destination. If you accounted for parking time, since I didnt see much easily accesible parking over there, it was probably quicker to take public transit. If I lived over there I legit wouldn’t bother owning a car and I say this as someone who currently has one and really likes it.
There’s no fucking public sitting areas though so that sucks.
This is what headphones are for, fuck cars
This is from someone who feels physical discomfort when someone interacts me unprompted
Agreed, but I can understand the apprehension for those who aren’t familiar
This but also a lack of experiencing good transit
True, but I’m just going off of my experience as an American. Too many people are so antisocial that the idea of sharing space with other strangers is foreign, mostly because they’ve lived so long without it. Obviously this isn’t true in places like NYC, but in Los Angeles you’d have a hell of a time convincing people to give up their cars.
I think a lack of being in public spaces creates the antisocial “uncomfortable around other people” issues that have been growing. Sprawl kills communities!
No it doesn’t. Rampant abuse and bigotry does, and that is the reality most Americans accept that you deny.
It’s dangerous being around strangers here, especially male ones who will overpower and beat/kill you in public for the slightest offense.
So people, especially women and trans folk, are safer in cars than they are on public transport.
And that’s nothing to say of the Jim Crow era, or how public transport was denied during the lockdowns depriving the elderly of freedom of movement.
No. Getting rid of cars will always be bad. You’ll never have your green utopia and you ought not to have it.
Safer from crimes is an argument that I could get behind depending on what country you’re in but in terms of keeping people alive, especially people outside of cars, cars are so much unsafer for all genders.
As for green utopia, I’m chillin’
I’ve lived in cities with trams for the past 10 years and i think buses are less cool but more practical. Installing the rails is expensive and disruptive, they take a lot of room on the street (with the stop included), and if a tram gets stuck the next one can’t go around, it just sits there and waits.
Busses get delayed/stuck way more often
Regular railroads periodically place railroad switches for reversive movement(or how it is translated) so if one train stucks, trains behind it can use “wrong” track. Same in subway. Why don’t you complain about subways then?
Oh, so all those times i was stuck inside a tramway were just bad dreams i had.
You’re off the rails (intentional). I just said that i have personal experience with tramways as public transit, and i get responded with a dubious generality and a passive-agressive meme from fifteen years ago. And for some reason a whataboutism with subways??
But I do like it
I believe small single seat robo-taxies would allow a lot of the gaps to be closed and resistance removed.
But more than this you need to plan cities to be smaller urban areas with high density that have everything you need in walking distance. Which also means “less efficiency” in the capitalist sense.
Yeah, robo taxis are a dumb idea that should stop being proposed forever. https://youtube.com/watch?v=GcKUYbChE3A
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Yawn, obviously privately owned monopoly would be bad. I can imagine China doing this well as a public utility.
The fact that it’s a private monopoly only addresses, like, half of the problems. Why would China do this better? They have just as much incentive to prioritize the rich as Amazon does. Why would they do anything different?
Why would China do this better?
China is ruled by a single party in an authoritarian regime. They have corruption and politicking but they still have remnants of a planned economy and can still make rational decisions for the benefit of their country. For example they have massive projects to build high speed rail and nuclear power.
The US can only make decisions for the benefit of profit maximization. That’s overexaggerated of course but you get the gist.
Imagine a whole city converted to public transport, bicycles/quadricycles and robo-taxies to fill the gaps. They could be single seat the size of a velomobile (podbike is an interesting example) and only weigh 100kg and use like 250-500 watt to drive up to 50kmh. Or maybe two seats face to face so you have space to stretch your legs or put your groceries.
How would central planning solve problems like vandalism? And what benefit would this have over bikes and trains?
Autonomous vehicles seem to be literally an unsolvable problem, as covered in depth in the video. What magic would China bring that would make a problem even humans can’t solve somehow solvable by AI?
They are not an unsolvable problem. What is your argument for this? And no I’m not watching the whole video lol
I work in computer security. It’s just obvious if you have even the slightest awareness of the industry. Attacks on AI are Wiley Coyote shit like drawing circles around them. In an active environment they’re even worse. With mountains of technology everyone who has ever tried it, the most advanced and well funded companies in the world, have all failed utterly and miserably. They’ve failed even though there’s an emesne opportunity for profit. At a certain point, you have to start providing evidence that it’s possible and there hasn’t been any. It’s a scam.
But here, I guess I have to do this for you:
China is capitalism with beaslty grin.
I wanted to search for video that talks about megataxis, gigataxis and MetroVagonMash’s gigataxies. You did it first. Thanks.
Please go back to the fuck cars subLemmy or whatever the fuck it’s called. I don’t want to also block 196 for being annoying as shit about weird topics that don’t make sense and you can’t back up.
don’t make sense and you can’t back up
Wrong and wrong?
Trains are more space-efficient than cars and can therefore solve traffic congestion.
There you go. Not that difficult to grasp.
Trains are barely more space efficient and what would we do with current roads for cars anywhere? If we just leave them there, nothing would be gained. And cars are just easier to travel by and make more sense in general.
make more sense in general
That’s a meaningless statement
barely more space efficient
By barely you mean 20 fold?
See, this is why I don’t like these posts. You have to keep in mind that the train won’t be at that capacity because it is more limited in where it can go and when. Sure, if you are like going across a country it’s alright, and I don’t disagree, I’ve actually used trains for that. But as soon as it becomes the only source of transportation, we have issues.
This post literally has car lanes in the fucking picture so get your strawman out of here
So then are we really saving space if we keep it there or are we just using more to make train tracks?
The problem with having only car lanes is that they’ll always be congested, no matter how many lanes you add (look up induced demand). Trains have so much more capacity that we don’t run into this issue.
Basically, 4 car lanes=traffic jams twice a day vs. 2 car lanes + 2 train tracks= traffic flowing freely.
Of course a subway would be even nicer but those aren’t always an option because tunneling is expensive
Fuck off
You havent Been in 196 for long have you?
I have. There is a lot of actually good memes and then once in a while some fucker posts here instead of a community that I have blocked like fuck cars or politics.
Well this Kind of post tends to reflect the opinion of most people Here if you want the other side of the coin go to r/shitposting in reddit
Oh no a single post you don’t like, better comment on it and threaten block instead of just scrolling a little
It’s so many at this point.
This is a queer socialist community better block it now
I would love it very much
GIB THAT TRAM
That’s not a teleportation device.
You mean a suicide and rebirth device?
Tomato tamato
Finally, multi track drifting is available for all
The building in the background on the right is a good point of reference https://maps.app.goo.gl/nzUaXj6BJLrFNfe67
yep roads take twice as much space
