This is the most punk rock thing I’ve seen folks do in a long time.
Have you seen more than the one video floating around? Cuz I’ve only seen the one, could use some more for the spank bank.
Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I’ll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.
thats everyone at their age.
the difference is they can broadcast it into the world now.
Nah. When I was a kid, my peers were happy to bend over backwards to work harder for nothing extra.
Times have changed. That’s what happens as the disparity in wealth continues to grow. More people feel disenfranchised.
i was never that dumb to work for free, my friends werent either, sorry to hear your friends were.
Hmm that’s some of it, probably. I don’t think it’s all of it. And even if so, I think that phenomenon can build further momentum.
id go as far as doubting its at all of it, but AFAICT every recent generation had some good thinking about the problems and were keen on dissenting somehow when they were young.
even a lot of the boomers (who are seen as very conservative now) had their counterculture thing when they were young.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
100% agree there.
Society will probably collapse by 2040.
2030 is my guess because roughly half of the kids from the 60s will be mid 60s then and retire or be unable to keep on hustling because of age while all support systems will get into absolute overload.
It’s seven years until 2030.
Well either see a brutal market recession as the boomers die off and/or sell off their retirement portfolio to buy more sand for their hourglass, while everyone else is too broke to buy it at the “market value” their financial planner promised them in 1992
Or capitalists will sweep in and buy it for cheap, exacerbating the housing crisis and continuing to make life unaffordable
Either way we’re in trouble
5 years 10 months 20 days
i think you underestimate how bad it can get before they can’t stop a collapse anymore.
we already have a big homeless population and old people already in dire situations. i think that was the spark that got them so politicized in the first place.
and the biggest factors will probably be more related to climate change which will take a bit more time to reeeeally fuck with us.
You might want to recheck your math on that one
It’s seven years until 2030.
“Gen Z kids refuse to learn math!” Tune in to hear more at 11.
Joke is: I’m one of these boomers, born in the 1960s 😄
Classic example of rage math - I’m always furious about the shit and the terror my generation didn’t prevent. We knew and know everything and chose and choose to carry on.
Assholes all around. I’m dead serious about this.
Thats the current estimate of scientists at MIT at least.
The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.
Now people have no choice … they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.
People were always aware of the bullshit … in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it … now people can’t.
Cost benefit analysis. I’m Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen “company loyalty” and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.
You don’t need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now
Much easier said than done.
Guillotines aren’t particularly difficult to assemble.
They are exceedingly difficult to get away with using, nowadays, unfortunately.
Well, not with that attitude.
I know, I’m an organizer for a 650 person unit. It takes time and energy, but it’s worth it.
I mean, I genuinely think that all we need is a *How to unionize for dummies" like a video or guide. I’m pretty clever, pretty Marxist and I still found myself overwhelmed when I wanted to start the process in my last job. Calling a local Local didn’t help much either.
They’re literally following a TikTok Trend. They’re submerged deep into bullshit and eating it up.
And for many of them it will bite them in the ass.
Yeah the Gen-Xers who have been beaten into submission acknowledge that not having a job or any prospects kinda sucks.
I was more thinking about the laws against recording people, and particularly publishing those recordings. Along with the recordings being proof of other things, like maybe the person who took snacks on their way out could be accused of theft.
I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn’t say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn’t have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.
If you could ask for early retirement now then they would get power that much quicker
I’d have to not be a broke Gen-Xer for that to make much sense.
Oh i feel ya. I just get ideas when im stoned.
Adopt both UBI and lower retirement to 45 at the oldest.
The world will be an amazing place
Oh boy I can dream. 🙂
Started with Gen X, which is why the baby boomers retiring is creating such a desperate demographic crisis. Nobody wants to buy into such an obviously corrupt system, which has rewarded every consecutive generation with less and less compensation despite the abundantly obvious massive advances in productivity. People are realizing that most of their work is not at all about generating value, but instead is all about occupying their time and energy in an apparent attempt to reduce competition.
“I have, like, really given my whole energy and life over the last four months to this job, and to be let go for no reason is like a huge slap in the face from a company that I really wanted to believe in,”
First mistake was giving your whole life. Second mistake was believing in a company.
Having survived a layoff like the one they mentioned - people getting random 15 minute meetings, suddenly seeing their accounts decommissioned, etc. - it definitely sucks, and knowing they’ll lay me off like that means I have no reason to have loyalty
Bet that person is never loyal again. Live and learn.
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I worked at Disney+ in IT for 5 years, they gave me a yearly incentive to stay with them, bonuses, and my 5 years of service pin… and then laid me off a month later.
This is effectively the only tool we will ever have against them, and we should use it before too much of the labor force is converted and automated, and the remaining employed shut up out of fear.
A company like Microsoft worth 3 trillion dollars (with a T), who spends billions to acquire another business in a strategic move, should not be allowed to dump the burden on the thousands of people they let go afterwards, just so the books look good.
They pull billions out of the company in profit, and then claim the company is broke and needs to distribute some losses socially. It’s completely insane that we just allow this to happen in mass. I’m lucky I can choose my companies and I don’t touch the big big corporations so it doesn’t affect me, but we need to do something collectively fast.
I worked for them in a division that was very customer facing. We got told over and over things we needed to improve the experience weren’t in the budget. I always vaguely waved my hands in the air with a “look at the piles of money” face.
I think most people make this mistake when first entering the workforce though, right? I know I did. Now, I get called pessimistic and cynical. But, I’ve got three decades of experience at various levels of company. With all that experience, I’d prefer to call myself a realist.
Recruiters aren’t blind to it either, at least for more senior roles. They stopped talking about the “family” that they are, and how much more “fun” it is to work there. They also stopped asking me why I chose this company, and instead ask me why I chose this role, because they know I don’t give a shit about the company. They cut straight to “here is the pay and benefits, we give extra for this that and that”. It should be like that for all levels, from junior to director.
Yes, it should be. But businesses aren’t people, they don’t have a conscience, they don’t care about their employees. They will use any tool they can to underpay someone, and work that same person harder than the rest of the team paid more. Because, they can.
If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength. would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet-!
Millennial / Gen X cusp here. I feel like this really started with my generation. Many people no longer look for a job, they look for a job that allows them to make the world a slightly better place. Many of us have had that drilled into our heads from childhood.
Companies know this, so that’s what they sell when they’re hiring. And when you combine that with the cognitive bias for people wanting to do good through their work, this is the result.
Bingo. I mean I accepted pretty early on that A. I wouldn’t enjoy working and B. Someone else is going to make a lot of money off what I do.
As long as I work for an employer that does something or makes something that can be a net positive, I feel like I’ve found something good.
-is the lie I keep telling myself
Valuable information to have for yourself and others
Love to see class consciousness rising above artificial generational conflict
As an older GenX I thank the Millenials for that. Generation Z seems to love their consumerism a little too much but at least they seem to know who’s screwing them and its not the poor folk.
“we can often tell within three months or less of a sales hire, even during the holidays, whether they’re going to be successful or not”
Did not cancel their Christmas vacation, fire them immediately.
I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.
I guess but companies will probably just counter by laying people off by text.
Then you share the text messages. Even easier
So it costs even less bandwidth to share?
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This is the first “TikTok trend” I’ve seen that doesn’t make me cringe
Just wait for the inevitable fakes to show up.
Every TikTok trend should make you cringe. They’re all aiding a hostile dictatorship.
honestly you could’ve left a single comment in opposition against tiktok and left it there but had the audacity to voice against it multiple times.
sure tiktok is pure evil spyware, you aren’t wrong, but mate just calm down and speak your concerns in a single comment and call it a day.
more karma too lmao
Fuck Karma, I came here to express myself.
with how passionate you are with this opinion i thought you were trolling and farming for internet points
- The recent rise of sea shanties
- Detailed instructions for operating abandoned Russian military vehicles
- This
- Girl Math
Funny as hell. The manosphere bros who took it seriously made it even funnier
Social media-induced work reform incoming?
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. They will just change the laws to make it illegal and sue you/us.
It’s already kind of a thing with arbitration clauses being baked into almost every employment contract.
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I feel for this woman I really do, but, I don’t feel like she did her research beforehand. Had she, she would’ve immediately seen that cloudflare is an absolutely despicable, corpo nightmare, a shining beacon of what every publicly traded company aspires to be. She could’ve seen this coming. Or she did and choose to ignore it, thinking it wouldn’t happen to her.
Grab a coffee, this is a long one:
https://0xacab.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/readme/en.md
Been in the tech industry for 15 years now.
Every tech company is shit in some way.
Been at my current company for 9 years. It’s pretty great, never had a knife in my back or anything. And still I remember every day that it’s a company, whose only goal in existence is making money, and if a set of numbers on a sheet are balanced in a certain way, I’ll still lose my job, regardless of my reputation, work ethos or anything else. Keeps me grounded I can “believe” in my company without having to really drink the kool-aid.
I mean, people need jobs to pay the bills. She might have decided it was a risk she’d have to run
The whole talk of “I wanted to believe in this company” is just to disarm the HR people
“Growing tik toc trend” only gives one example that we’ve all already watched. Either it’s a lie about it being a trend or piss poor reporting.
This is how right-wing idiots got trolled into believing that schools were getting litter boxes for furries.
I want to believe that your joking…but sadly I think I know better by now…
Yeah that was a whole thing like a couple years back. The sad reality iirc is that the litter was for something to do with school shootings, perhaps to help clean up the blood…
My highschool used litter to clean up vomit.
Clearly your school was not metal enough. It’s not really a Monday unless someone’s bleeding.
It’s for the event of a shooting and the class being stuck for hours in the classroom. Since you can’t use the toilets for obvious reasons then, students, that need to take a piss, can do it in the litterboxes.
Ah yep that’s what it was
Wasn’t the litter box thing just a suggestion from a lawmaker that refuses to do anything about school shootings?
As a millennial, I honestly have a lot of respect for Gen Z. I feel like they are slowly but surely figuring out how to stick it to the man and generate awareness of how the big corporations are slimy scum and don’t see employees as “People”. Go Gen Z!
create awaraness for something that people already aware of since the dawn of human race?
You might be shocked to learn that an alarming number of people historically did not know that corpos are evil.
Honestly they’ve been incredible. They’ve been politically active since they were teens and they care more about work/life balance than any other generation before (anecdotally). They’ve been dealt a shit hand but I’m rooting for them.
I was thinking about this just yesterday. After watching Frankie’s cultural observation on boomers, where he says that “boomers are the first generation in history that wanted to do better than their children”, I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids. The boomers parents, while the “greatest” generation, were raised by an even stricter generation of parents who believed in things like not picking up a crying baby, and probably resulted in Boomer parents that, thanks to WW2, were also an untreated PTSD generation. Alcoholism was just dad’s being dad’s and pre ww2 moms stayed home to keep home and hearth with a little help from the snuff tin. Several generations of war torn parents ignorant of how to deal with what they went through, raising more kids for the next war. From the civil war to Vietnam, every generation had a war or two on their plate. Then our small communities were randomly spread out into suburban experiments to support the industrial revolution. Now no one knows their neighbor, they just go to work. Then the millennials were sent to war. We had heard the stories growing up about how great our nations fighting forces were. Now it was our turn. We had the most righteous of reasons to fight. But this time, when looking to the boomers to lead us, we found a bunch of disfunctional brats. Their maturity was a ruse. They didn’t know any better than we did on how to deal with this world. Their parents won the great war, setup the economy, spanked them, never hugged them, and then handed them the keys to the company and retired to Florida. So the bratty boomers without a clue bullied their kids out the door and into the world. There we stood, 18 and primed to take it on. But there was nothing left to take. Then the bubble they blew popped and we shipped out to Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and even after 20 years we still had nothing to show for it. No house, no good paying job, no health care, and a degree with the weight of never ending debt chained to it. The boomers are and always have been, brats. You see them out there on their Harley’s brrrraaaaatttting around. So when we started having kids, we said no. No we’re not going to beat our kids, no we’re not going to shame them for who they love, no we’re not going to “be a man” and shut up about our war trauma. But the brats still had all the power. They refused to let go of their toy. So we put ourselves to work on trying to fix the only thing we had the power to fix, ourselves. We started normalizing therapy, researching drug and alcohol addiction. We dug into the data. We acted like adults, we admitted we have a problem and we did the rigorous and SCIENTIFIC work of finding the solutions. We broke the cycle. We’ve really earnestly tried to raise thoughtful, honest about themselves, proud adults who ask why. We didn’t ignore them, we answered them honestly, we admitted there’s a problem. But we don’t have enough time to set it right in our life time. The brats won’t let go. We need Gen Z to carry the torch forward. Question everything, do the hard work, admit when you were wrong, be willing to change your mind when new data is discovered. I’m proud of these kids. I want them to do better than us. We got your back kid.
Incredible and inspiring assessment. Thank you for sharing it with the world.
I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids.
Dont mean to ‘burst your bubble’, but as a Gen-Xer who took allot of abuse from my Boomer parents, and ended up a ‘latch key kid’ to boot, I made sure to not pass that on to my Millennial children. At all. So that trend was happening allot earlier than you think.
Also, ‘wall of text’ is tough to read. Paragraphs are our friends. :)
Also, ‘wall of text’ is tough to read.
I imagine they might have been bamboozled like I have been quite a few times, where a proper formatted line break is actually 2 line breaks in the editor instead of just one?
Just a guess haha.
where a proper formatted line break is actually 2 line breaks in the editor instead of just one?
Just a guess haha.
What?
Clicking enter while typing in a comment/post will put you on a new line in the text editor, but Markdown interprets this as a regular space.
Having two line breaks (enter twice) in the editor tells Markdown to leave an empty line and then start in a new line.
Having two line breaks (enter twice) in the editor tells Markdown to leave an empty line and then start in a new line.
You would be hitting enter twice to start a new paragraph in any Lemmy editor. Thats how you always start a new paragraph.
What do you mean? In Word, you click enter once, and the paragraph spacing is done automatically based on existing paramters. While not every word processor is Word, I’d argue that the one-enter process I described is still a pretty legitimate form of starting a paragraph.
Any Markdown editor, yes. But not everyone is familiar with Markdown formatting. People coming from text editors, forums, and word processors expect a single enter to start a new paragraph.
line break test. one. meow meow. two
meow
EDIT: You are correct. One line break does fk all. Two “Enters” are required
EDIT: You are correct. One line break does fk all. Two “Enters” are required
That’s the same in any editor.
If you are at the end of a sentence, and you want to start a new paragraph, you always hit the enter key twice.
I quit Lowe’s a few months ago and they mistakenly gave me an exit interview. Not only did I put my grievances in writing, but I was adamant that the “HR” person typed what I was saying verbatim.
There’s no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
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I’m of the opposite opinion. Exit interviews are just a way a company can further pretend to give a shit what you think, while not actually giving a shit. Do you really think what you say will make a difference?? If they didn’t listen to you while you were working, why would they listen to you if you’ve quit? It’s all smoke and mirrors designed to make you feel good while giving the company marketing material to say, ‘we listen’ when they don’t. HR is on team company. They are not your friend. The odds of them actually doing anything different based on an exit interview is zero. If anything, they’ll use what you say against you to frame it as ‘clearly he/she is not a happy person’ so they just dismiss what you say. Just like they did when you were working for them.
I deny them that chance so I don’t do them.
Fuck them. Leave and say nothing and just be happier at your new job. They had their chance and blew it. You don’t owe them anything and you’re better off channeling that energy into something more in line with what makes you happy.
That’s just my take though.
They don’t care whether you think they give a shit or not. The contract has already ended, they have no “legal” motivation to give you the light of day.
The reason exit interviews exist is that some people within the company do care about employee feedback / retention rate, because from a strictly practical point of view, hiring/training costs many thousands of dollars for any vaguely skilled position so knowing if there is an avoidable problem is valuable.
The flip-side is that in most cases, circumstances are out of control of whoever is in charge of exit interviews. If an employee quits for personal reasons, can’t do anything about it. If the owner is a cunt, can’t do anything about that either. However, if five employees quit because “Chris is the worst manager in the world”, then maybe Chris will eventually find himself “promoted” to a non-management position.From an employee perspective playing nice and being professional can be worthwhile, depending on the size of the industry, whether you’re willing to burn bridges, and the importance of networking for your job position. The company you were working for may suck but your previous manager might get a new job and offer to hire you there.
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But what do you think that accomplished?
Even if the HR person did type it verbatim and show it to you, they’re just going to turf it the second you leave and spin a tale that makes their boss happy.
There’s zero chance that the upper management who needed to hear what you said actually heard it.
Meh, they get taken seriously at least where I work. Especially if they were a high performer or if there is a significant trend in departures.
That said, some leadership will hear parts that don’t make them feel so bad and gasp onto those.
These giant corporations are extremely data driven, and managers who get bad reviews do eventually become squeaky wheels.
There’s no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
" Yeah great, well I generally come in at least 15 minutes late. I, uh, use the side door, that way Lumberg can’t see me and, uh, after that I just sort a space out for about an hour. Yeah I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I’m working. I do that for, uh, probably another hour after lunch too. I’d say in a given week I probably only do about 15 minutes of real, actual, work. Oh yeah, let me tell you something about TPS reports. See the thing is Bob, it’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I just don’t care. It’s a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don’t see another dime. So where’s the motivation? And here’s something else, Bob, I have eight different bosses right now. Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation, is not to be hassled. That and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that’ll only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired. Listen, I’m going to go. Uh, it’s been really nice talking to both of you guys. Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really well."
I’m glad it’s happening, but… fuck, why does it have to?
Greed and they don’t give a fuck about you. And it’s going to keep happening, again and again, until we change it.
I get that no one likes to be fired, especially if they feel that they were let go unfairly, but this seems like it will result in missing out on other job opportunities afterwards. If I was a hiring manager and saw a video like this from a prospective employee I would just throw their application straight in the garbage. If they will post this then who knows what kind of private company details they will post about if I were to hire them
I get both sides of the argument here. I think we need to have this big reaction because companies have held so much power over employees for so long - I’ll avoid ranting about worker-owned cooperatives here - but the past few years I’ve surprised myself by moving into a bit of a “slippery slope” camp with these things. Not to say it shouldn’t happen, but that we need to be prepared for the follow-up.
Hopefully related example, in education: There were some really big push backs recently where I am over bad treatment of the students in highschool, all legit. The school board ignored it for a long time, it got bad, they finally took it seriously. Then they overcorrected and stopped believing teachers at all and started jumping straight to firing at almost any complaint. Then students started weaponizing complaints, and now teachers are getting fired for trying to enforce deadlines and for giving low marks because students are complaining about how deadlines, grades, and meeting grading requirements are detrimental to mental health and well-being, and now there are a bunch of these students from this board in my university classes failing hard and filing complaints about courses being too difficult and other things despite them having glowing reviews just a few years prior.
I guess what I’m getting at: I think it’s fair for someone to choose not to hire people like this because it’s possible that the people willing to stand up and make an important fuss over these things might not know where the line stands between a worthwhile complaint and a non-worthwhile one, and might make a company look badexternally even though it’s doing good internally, just not to someone new to the workforce’s expectations.
I also think it’s fair to go the opposite direction, because ultimately we need major change in the way companies/everything are structured that lead to these nasty layoffs and poor conditions and if someone does raise issues where there aren’t, hopefully we are prepared enough and in the right enough to take it seriously, but weather it and act in everyone’s best interests.
I hope that these videos encourage others to leave, get their bag, or not apply to companies that employ shady at best firing policies. If I saw a person standing up for themselves in a place where corporate culture squashes out hope and individuality, I’d be more likely to hire them if my corporate culture actually matched the vibe of the person recording themselves getting fired.
Yeah, name and shame companies firing people for nothing or to pad quarterly profits. Not everyone can afford to be choosey in their employer but for those that can I hope stuff like this starves those companies of talent.
What isn’t a shady firing practice?
Firing someone after telling them they need to improve their work performance and giving them a chance to do so?
The thing is, there’s a difference between being let go as part of a mass layoff and being fired for cause. I’ve seen several of these videos where the employer is telling people they’re being fired for low performance, but they were also firing a large number of other people at the same time, and they hadn’t been employed long enough for “low performance” to be a realistic claim. In some cases, being fired for cause means you don’t get access to unemployment benefits. If they’re actually part of a mass layoff they should be entitled to those benefits. But the company doesn’t want to admit that they regularly lay people off, so instead they list the dismissals as firings for cause.
I feel like getting fired or laid off is like being broken up with, along with the emotions attached. It is bullshit that a company can fire for cause a significant part of their workforce to prevent them from getting a severance or unemployment, but there isn’t a good system to choose who to lay off.
I’m a hiring manager. I have trouble even imagining the kind of person that would just throw a lead into the trash because of a recording of them getting fired. Who does that? What do you possibly have to gain by doing that? Because you have a lot to lose, especially if that candidate got far enough in the process for you to be researching their background. Nobody gets that far unless they are a very good fit.
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You understand that they can find your social media regardless, right?
If you have it and publicly post, it’s not private and they can and should consider your public behavior as part of the process of deciding whether to hire you.
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This is literally a response to the fact that people putting things on social media is going to make it much harder for them to get a desirable job.
That’s the entire purpose of the post you were somehow disagreeing with.
Employers, especially for white collar gigs, often Google the folks they are hiring.
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That’s rarely possible anymore.
I guess me and most of the people I know are rare
Yes. Yes you are.
It’s also considered a red flag to have no online presence, so be careful how far down that road you go if you’re trying to work at companies that would be looking you up to begin with.
Your average HR lackey isn’t going to go full 4chan stalker into you. Doubly so if you also have accounts tied to your name that you very occasionally post very, very mundane things on. They’re not going to go looking deeper when they find your Facebook and see you’re just wishing gamgam a happy birthday
Actual HR people seem to disagree with you-
https://blog.photofeeler.com/what-hr-recruiters-look-for-googling-job-candidates/
So… they google your name, and said that specifically for a marketing role they want to see if you’re good at selling yourself through your social media profile.
Obviously they google my name. My point is they’re not going to go through and try to connect username after username after username to find forum posts from 2009 or some shit.
It’s commonly known now though that most employers will look through anything you’ve posted publicly online these days though. Regardless of what you put on your resume there’s nothing stopping them from doing a Google search for your name. In this case where the post has now garnered attention on news sites an employer wouldn’t even have to go into her social media, since this is just up on multiple news sites forever now
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But you can’t choose what people search about you before hiring you.
On the other hand, I think the people doing this are aware of the risk they’re taking most of the time. They know people will search their names and see what comes up before hiring them.
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When did this become about you?
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Please point out where “people” said that. I certainly didn’t:
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If I was a hiring manager and saw a video like this from a prospective employee I would just throw their application straight in the garbage.
You probably wouldn’t be a hiring manager very long with that attitude. I don’t get the appeal either, but I don’t do tiktok so. Just from the linked piece, it sounds like it’s becoming increasingly common.
Quite a leap to posting private company details online. Where are those stored by the way? Office 365? SharePoint? The cloud?..
Of course you would as you wouldn’t want to hire someone that stands up for themselves. Seems you’d just want to hire punching bags aye.
I hear you. I think this is one of those things that becomes effective when most of your candidates are likely to have posted something like this at some point. Kind of like participation in a strike (or any union activity) only becomes useful when most other employees are also participating.
The problem is half the time they are being laid off, but the company frames it as a firing so they can save money. Getting fired by your previous employer will destroy your job prospects far more directly than some video on social media that only a few percent of recruiters will ever even be aware of. It makes sense to take a unified stand against such a bullshit practice.
If they are in some way dodging contracted benefits like severance, are in any way defaming the employee, or are trying to prevent unemployment claims, it is going to be illegal to invent cause. People really misunderstand “at will” and think it means that an employer can fire you for any reason at all. It doesn’t. It means they can fire you for no reason at all. They cannot fire you for a protected, illegal, or fake reason, and they still are going to have to honor your contract, make good on the unemployment, et cetera.
There really isn’t any difference between a “no cause”/at will termination and a layoff. Maybe some fine technical points, but for the layman it’s the same thing.
And in many states what a previous employer can say to a future employer as part of a reference check is limited – in Cali, for example, any “malicious” statements can get you in a lot of trouble. If you suspect a previous employer might be doing this, talk to a labor lawyer.
Recording and trying to go viral with these exit interviews is the wrong response if you feel you are being wronged. Sure, record it (if it is legal to do so), but definitely do not upload anything until you have talked to a labor attorney.
The interview that set this trend off literally exposed them creating fake metrics to mass-fire employees that they utterly failed at explaining in any coherent way. I think you underestimate how willing companies are to skirt labor laws based on risk/reward analysis of their potential liabilities in the off chance that they get taken to court. Social media levels the playing field and changes that risk/reward calculation.
I didn’t make any statements about whether this employer had behaved illegally, so I am not estimating anything, over or under.
I am saying that victims should first talk to labor attorneys because there is a lot more you can do. The playing field is flatter than you think. Taking this to battle-by-media should not be the first response or starting point, it should be pretty far towards the end of the war.
If a company is firing you, fuck their “private company details.” You should have zero loyalty or obligation to an entity that’s potentially going to make you go hungry/homeless. Criminal disclosures will be covered by law already, so all you’re doing is slurping up the boot juice and perpetuating the culture of silence that allows companies and capital owners to pit workers against one another
I never said anything about protecting the company that fired you. I have no idea where you got that. My point was that if you do something that proves to potential employers that you’re going to cry on social media every time your unhappy about anything, it means they’re going to be much less likely to hire you
Not because they recorded it, though that’s bad, but because they did something idiotic to follow a trend. I don’t need that energy on my team.
So, a demi-god in rl then.
No, I avoid management like the plague these days
If I was a hiring manager, I wouldn’t be looking at people’s social media because I only care what their expected compensation, experience, and/or education is. Everything else past their CV is irrelevant unless they need a security clearance or will be working in a sensitive environment.
I would. I want to hire someone I could have lunch with, communicate without awkwardness, and be able to appropriately empathize with whatever their situation is.
That being said, posting their firing would get them bonus points from me. I love people that stand up for themselves, have an opinion, and aren’t afraid to be wrong.
Good soft skills are also pretty important for a new hire. You often want someone that can be a good communicator, can get lots of different people aligned on an initiative, and can handle conflict in a constructive way.
A lot of employers peak at social media for clues about this stuff. If someone is a jerk online, they might also be a jerk in the office once they get comfortable.
Absolutely this! I work in tech and it’s shocking how much casual racism and sexism gets tossed around. It is super hard to build a cohesive team when one of the men won’t let a woman coworker speak because he doesn’t like their use of the word “we” when describing their team.
Dumb tic-tok trends and stupid dance videos are not what employers are looking for.
Sounds like a problem for a manager or supervisor to coach or mentor. If they don’t work out despite their qualifications, they don’t work out despite their qualifications.
Sounds like it is a good tactic for them to dodge future shitty employers
