As a Gen-Xer whose been beaten into believing you can’t realistically “fight the man”, I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.
As a Gen-Xer whose been beaten into believing you can’t realistically “fight the man”, I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.
Seriously. Give them hell Gen-Z!
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The housing market is fucked, economic mobility is fucked, the climate is fucked. They’ve already lost to the man, what else do they have to lose?
“we can often tell within three months or less of a sales hire, even during the holidays, whether they’re going to be successful or not”
Did not cancel their Christmas vacation, fire them immediately.
This is the most punk rock thing I’ve seen folks do in a long time.
Have you seen more than the one video floating around? Cuz I’ve only seen the one, could use some more for the spank bank.
Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I’ll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.
I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn’t say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn’t have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.
Society will probably collapse by 2040.
Thats the current estimate of scientists at MIT at least.
2030 is my guess because roughly half of the kids from the 60s will be mid 60s then and retire or be unable to keep on hustling because of age while all support systems will get into absolute overload.
It’s seven years until 2030.
i think you underestimate how bad it can get before they can’t stop a collapse anymore.
we already have a big homeless population and old people already in dire situations. i think that was the spark that got them so politicized in the first place.
and the biggest factors will probably be more related to climate change which will take a bit more time to reeeeally fuck with us.
5 years 10 months 20 days
Well either see a brutal market recession as the boomers die off and/or sell off their retirement portfolio to buy more sand for their hourglass, while everyone else is too broke to buy it at the “market value” their financial planner promised them in 1992
Or capitalists will sweep in and buy it for cheap, exacerbating the housing crisis and continuing to make life unaffordable
Either way we’re in trouble
It’s seven years until 2030.
“Gen Z kids refuse to learn math!” Tune in to hear more at 11.
Joke is: I’m one of these boomers, born in the 1960s 😄
Classic example of rage math - I’m always furious about the shit and the terror my generation didn’t prevent. We knew and know everything and chose and choose to carry on.
Assholes all around. I’m dead serious about this.
You might want to recheck your math on that one
They’re literally following a TikTok Trend. They’re submerged deep into bullshit and eating it up.
And for many of them it will bite them in the ass.
Yeah the Gen-Xers who have been beaten into submission acknowledge that not having a job or any prospects kinda sucks.
I was more thinking about the laws against recording people, and particularly publishing those recordings. Along with the recordings being proof of other things, like maybe the person who took snacks on their way out could be accused of theft.
You don’t need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now
Much easier said than done.
I know, I’m an organizer for a 650 person unit. It takes time and energy, but it’s worth it.
I mean, I genuinely think that all we need is a *How to unionize for dummies" like a video or guide. I’m pretty clever, pretty Marxist and I still found myself overwhelmed when I wanted to start the process in my last job. Calling a local Local didn’t help much either.
Guillotines aren’t particularly difficult to assemble.
They are exceedingly difficult to get away with using, nowadays, unfortunately.
Well, not with that attitude.
If you could ask for early retirement now then they would get power that much quicker
I’d have to not be a broke Gen-Xer for that to make much sense.
Oh i feel ya. I just get ideas when im stoned.
Adopt both UBI and lower retirement to 45 at the oldest.
The world will be an amazing place
Oh boy I can dream. 🙂
thats everyone at their age.
the difference is they can broadcast it into the world now.
Nah. When I was a kid, my peers were happy to bend over backwards to work harder for nothing extra.
Times have changed. That’s what happens as the disparity in wealth continues to grow. More people feel disenfranchised.
i was never that dumb to work for free, my friends werent either, sorry to hear your friends were.
Hmm that’s some of it, probably. I don’t think it’s all of it. And even if so, I think that phenomenon can build further momentum.
id go as far as doubting its at all of it, but AFAICT every recent generation had some good thinking about the problems and were keen on dissenting somehow when they were young.
even a lot of the boomers (who are seen as very conservative now) had their counterculture thing when they were young.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
100% agree there.
Started with Gen X, which is why the baby boomers retiring is creating such a desperate demographic crisis. Nobody wants to buy into such an obviously corrupt system, which has rewarded every consecutive generation with less and less compensation despite the abundantly obvious massive advances in productivity. People are realizing that most of their work is not at all about generating value, but instead is all about occupying their time and energy in an apparent attempt to reduce competition.
The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.
Now people have no choice … they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.
People were always aware of the bullshit … in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it … now people can’t.
Cost benefit analysis. I’m Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen “company loyalty” and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.
As a millennial, I honestly have a lot of respect for Gen Z. I feel like they are slowly but surely figuring out how to stick it to the man and generate awareness of how the big corporations are slimy scum and don’t see employees as “People”. Go Gen Z!
Honestly they’ve been incredible. They’ve been politically active since they were teens and they care more about work/life balance than any other generation before (anecdotally). They’ve been dealt a shit hand but I’m rooting for them.
create awaraness for something that people already aware of since the dawn of human race?
You might be shocked to learn that an alarming number of people historically did not know that corpos are evil.
I was thinking about this just yesterday. After watching Frankie’s cultural observation on boomers, where he says that “boomers are the first generation in history that wanted to do better than their children”, I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids. The boomers parents, while the “greatest” generation, were raised by an even stricter generation of parents who believed in things like not picking up a crying baby, and probably resulted in Boomer parents that, thanks to WW2, were also an untreated PTSD generation. Alcoholism was just dad’s being dad’s and pre ww2 moms stayed home to keep home and hearth with a little help from the snuff tin. Several generations of war torn parents ignorant of how to deal with what they went through, raising more kids for the next war. From the civil war to Vietnam, every generation had a war or two on their plate. Then our small communities were randomly spread out into suburban experiments to support the industrial revolution. Now no one knows their neighbor, they just go to work. Then the millennials were sent to war. We had heard the stories growing up about how great our nations fighting forces were. Now it was our turn. We had the most righteous of reasons to fight. But this time, when looking to the boomers to lead us, we found a bunch of disfunctional brats. Their maturity was a ruse. They didn’t know any better than we did on how to deal with this world. Their parents won the great war, setup the economy, spanked them, never hugged them, and then handed them the keys to the company and retired to Florida. So the bratty boomers without a clue bullied their kids out the door and into the world. There we stood, 18 and primed to take it on. But there was nothing left to take. Then the bubble they blew popped and we shipped out to Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and even after 20 years we still had nothing to show for it. No house, no good paying job, no health care, and a degree with the weight of never ending debt chained to it. The boomers are and always have been, brats. You see them out there on their Harley’s brrrraaaaatttting around. So when we started having kids, we said no. No we’re not going to beat our kids, no we’re not going to shame them for who they love, no we’re not going to “be a man” and shut up about our war trauma. But the brats still had all the power. They refused to let go of their toy. So we put ourselves to work on trying to fix the only thing we had the power to fix, ourselves. We started normalizing therapy, researching drug and alcohol addiction. We dug into the data. We acted like adults, we admitted we have a problem and we did the rigorous and SCIENTIFIC work of finding the solutions. We broke the cycle. We’ve really earnestly tried to raise thoughtful, honest about themselves, proud adults who ask why. We didn’t ignore them, we answered them honestly, we admitted there’s a problem. But we don’t have enough time to set it right in our life time. The brats won’t let go. We need Gen Z to carry the torch forward. Question everything, do the hard work, admit when you were wrong, be willing to change your mind when new data is discovered. I’m proud of these kids. I want them to do better than us. We got your back kid.
Incredible and inspiring assessment. Thank you for sharing it with the world.
I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids.
Dont mean to ‘burst your bubble’, but as a Gen-Xer who took allot of abuse from my Boomer parents, and ended up a ‘latch key kid’ to boot, I made sure to not pass that on to my Millennial children. At all. So that trend was happening allot earlier than you think.
Also, ‘wall of text’ is tough to read. Paragraphs are our friends. :)
Also, ‘wall of text’ is tough to read.
I imagine they might have been bamboozled like I have been quite a few times, where a proper formatted line break is actually 2 line breaks in the editor instead of just one?
Just a guess haha.
where a proper formatted line break is actually 2 line breaks in the editor instead of just one?
Just a guess haha.
What?
Clicking enter while typing in a comment/post will put you on a new line in the text editor, but Markdown interprets this as a regular space.
Having two line breaks (enter twice) in the editor tells Markdown to leave an empty line and then start in a new line.
Having two line breaks (enter twice) in the editor tells Markdown to leave an empty line and then start in a new line.
You would be hitting enter twice to start a new paragraph in any Lemmy editor. Thats how you always start a new paragraph.
Any Markdown editor, yes. But not everyone is familiar with Markdown formatting. People coming from text editors, forums, and word processors expect a single enter to start a new paragraph.
What do you mean? In Word, you click enter once, and the paragraph spacing is done automatically based on existing paramters. While not every word processor is Word, I’d argue that the one-enter process I described is still a pretty legitimate form of starting a paragraph.
line break test. one. meow meow. two
meow
EDIT: You are correct. One line break does fk all. Two “Enters” are required
EDIT: You are correct. One line break does fk all. Two “Enters” are required
That’s the same in any editor.
If you are at the end of a sentence, and you want to start a new paragraph, you always hit the enter key twice.
The kids are alright
Brittany is a narcissist who got fired because she makes everything about Brittany… she didn’t even allow the HR guy to finish a sentence before she had to actually interrupt him and start explaining why they were wrong… you got fired because you don’t listen, Brittany baby…
The meeting was specifically about her. That’s not narcissistic.
She knew she was being laid off, so there’s no need to hear the HR person out to completion. Say your part, and be on your way.
Boot licker
you’re a narcissist worshipper, like a lot of people nowadays… you answer the call to the Cult of Personality…
Here’s your breakfast
uh huh, bunch of rebel memers
Whoa whoa whoa you cant just let boss say that to you. Not with dirty shoes! Get those shoes cleaned up first before you talk again and make sure to say thank you
They fired her, listening to these folks ain’t her job anymore.
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I feel for this woman I really do, but, I don’t feel like she did her research beforehand. Had she, she would’ve immediately seen that cloudflare is an absolutely despicable, corpo nightmare, a shining beacon of what every publicly traded company aspires to be. She could’ve seen this coming. Or she did and choose to ignore it, thinking it wouldn’t happen to her.
Grab a coffee, this is a long one:
https://0xacab.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/readme/en.md
Been in the tech industry for 15 years now.
Every tech company is shit in some way.
Been at my current company for 9 years. It’s pretty great, never had a knife in my back or anything. And still I remember every day that it’s a company, whose only goal in existence is making money, and if a set of numbers on a sheet are balanced in a certain way, I’ll still lose my job, regardless of my reputation, work ethos or anything else. Keeps me grounded I can “believe” in my company without having to really drink the kool-aid.
I mean, people need jobs to pay the bills. She might have decided it was a risk she’d have to run
The whole talk of “I wanted to believe in this company” is just to disarm the HR people
Social media-induced work reform incoming?
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. They will just change the laws to make it illegal and sue you/us.
It’s already kind of a thing with arbitration clauses being baked into almost every employment contract.
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I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.
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I guess but companies will probably just counter by laying people off by text.
So it costs even less bandwidth to share?
Then you share the text messages. Even easier
Word of advice, don’t give yourselves to corporations that pretend to be human. Don’t give yourselves to ANY corporation in fact. They’re trash, the idea is trash, they don’t care because they’re not paid to.
I have been working since I was 9 years old. I have never cared about a company and have always been a fuck you kind of guy to companies since I was a product of child labor.
I have managed businesses and they intentionally fuck over employment. It’s BAKED IN. Every manager that I know goes through being promoted and cutting off your old job friends. It’s a corporate tactic. Get the cool manager to lead and fuck over the employee because they trust them. It turns people into shit bags. And normalizes shitty people. I have watched it and left District managers in the cold several times. It’s hilarious to me because many companies are shit.
I have worked in several industries too. It’s all a scheme to shit on labor. And it’s been this way since before my dumbass parents time. They let it happen because they just “something something boot straps.” Fucking weak morons.
Don’t waste your time. Just do good enough and save your money so you can find something better to do.
Fuck corporations, especially the weirdos who run them. They were never intended to be around forever, the rich have just molested the system to their benefit. Don’t play their games. Record it and report it.
Working since you were 9? My god, that sounds like it fucking sucked
Yea, family businesses don’t have labor laws as good as regular people and businesses.
Love to see class consciousness rising above artificial generational conflict
As an older GenX I thank the Millenials for that. Generation Z seems to love their consumerism a little too much but at least they seem to know who’s screwing them and its not the poor folk.
Wow, they’re almost showing signs of intelligence. So close.
Gen Z is also more compassionate than we were at that age, they know about things like consent and when someone is uncomfortable but not verbally expressing it. They also stabilize in the job market as they age up.
Means fuck all when they give China blank checks en masse. If I could choose a compassionate dead person or a logical alive one, I would rather Gen Z learned to protect themselves better.
lol as if Gen Z earns enough money to give blank cheques to anyone
If it takes them pennies to use an automated fraud system on millions of people then it doesn’t matter how little they can take, but taking a small amount from those who have little is more damaging than a large amount from people with wealth to spare. Median wealth in the USA for under 35 is $39,000 and average is $183,500 .
Imagine the majority of an entire generation with frozen credit scores unable to obtain vehicles, homes, business loans, and with identities so thoroughly compromised that the thieves have a better chance of verifying themselves than the real person. Tens of Millions of people. The USA would become financially crippled when extreme poverty is already a concern according to UN Special Investigations. It could ruin us for decades.
Even if YOU have nothing to lose, why would unashamedly wish that harm on so many others? For vines, but worse.
Better be including all ages then because everyone is on that thing.
Everyone who uses it is a threat to themselves and our society as a whole, that is how big a threat I think it is and I wholeheartedly believe China is willing to make full use of the authority they’ve been given. But it’s mostly the kids.
And I assume this is self reported data, so it’s probably even more children than just that.
This shows an almost perfectly even distribution across all age groups …
It shows exactly what I said it shows, but also why does it even matter in the context of this discussion?
Because you’re blaming the kids but 75% of the users aren’t kids
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Your stats show it’s not just kids…
Unless you consider anyone under 50 to be kids.
My stats show the largest age group is kids, and the lower the age the higher the user percentage.
So kids: 25% ok Non kifs: 75% 🤔
Fuck off with that noise. The whole damn world is giving China money you fool. Who do you think makes everything we consume.
TikTok is no worse than FB just different governments and from what I’ve seen the USA has done more to harm the world than China. And I’m a Brit that has a government that has committed horrors of epic proportions.
Chinese Exports have very recently plunged as a result of embargoes and tariffs due solely to how the rest of the world views them as a threat. FB Meta is paying a 5 Bn USD FCC Fine for how they handle data, more fines in other nations as well, and is currently in lawsuits in several countries as well. TikTok is worse because when they cause serious irreparable harm they don’t get sued or fined in their homeland: they get rewarded for a job well done.
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Influencer or not, however, those who stream videos of themselves being fired from their job risk facing repercussions, such as violating severance agreements, the BBC reported. Job termination videos can also backfire on those who post them if viewers find the post vindictive or unprofessional.
“Generally speaking, such moves are a double-edged sword. The literature on whistleblowers, a more extreme form of publicly sharing bad practices, shows that people get stigmatized for doing so,” Ben Voyer, an ESCP Business School professor who founded the Gen Z Observatory, told Business Insider in a recent article.
“Generally, society doesn’t reward people that engage in behaviors that some may see as a betrayal. Pushing such content online is a way to get moral support on the one hand, and a little revenge on the other hand,” he said.
If you’re confused about who to blame, remember that one side debates on whether they should purchase a mega yacht, or have a more reasonable “support” yacht trailing the main one for their helicopter/staff.
Yeah most people probably already had the double edged sword in their teeth. Shitty professor is out of touch.
CBS News. Viacom. I wonder who benefits from making these threats against these kids… hmmm
If the majority do it, it can no longer be extreme.
I’m enjoying the generational divide coming from Gen-Z.
Previous generations wanting to avoiding “burning bridges” only served corporate interests.
Workers need stop fearing our corporate overlords. We out number them.
They’ve manipulated the political process to shattered the social contract and must be held accountable.
I’m still partial to dragging them into the street since it worked quite well a century but this is a good step towards lighting that powder keg.
As a millennial I fucking love gen z
I’m still partial to dragging them into the street since it worked quite well a century but this is a good step towards lighting that powder keg.
What exactly worked quite well? The USSR and other “socialist” countries worked well only for those outside their territory, acting as some kind of counterbalance, I’ll admit that.
What was inside was an even more extreme form of what you call “corporate overlords”, because there wasn’t even an illusion of choice, your path changing employers would be similar to transferring between places in a military, the new employer would see every shitty thing the previous one decided to write about you, and they wouldn’t care what you have to say about that generally.
You seem to have taken this comment in some random direction that is pro-capitalism
I am not going to take the time to go through all the scenarios as to how violent uprisings resulted in the standards or work we have today simply because you can’t understand a common idiom.
simply because you can’t understand a common idiom.
I understand plenty, miss some, and also there are people not worth understanding.
Not even Millennials see action against your employer as ‘betrayal’. Company loyalty is dead, and this professor is out of touch.
Company loyalty when you are getting fired is something really weird. What would it even be based on? I understand parting on good terms etc, but loyalty? There wouldn’t be any space for loyalty in such a situation even in feudal contracts.
Pretty sure the betrayal is for future employers that may look you up
You’re not reading well. Wrong side.
Not having a problem with something and noting a possible risk aren’t exclusive
Which side the betrayal is being called.
risk facing repercussions, such as violating severance agreements
oh no, I won’t get dick shit, which is exactly what I was going to get anyway. What a gigantic shame
Generally, society doesn’t reward people that engage in behaviors that some may see as a betrayal.
The gall to speak like that of somebody publicizing the way one of their contacts with equal sides was terminated. Not even “mutual betrayal”, LOL.
It sucks when people think an organization has more rights than a person. If there’s a contract between two, then they are on the same level.
I was watching Wendover’s billionaire social calendar last night. They have ships whose sole purpose is to transport their yachts from the Mediterranean to the Caribbean so they don’t have to deal with actual transoceanic sailing. Like they literally load the yacht onto the ship like a big cargo rig.
Funny how quickly and easily the media can turn “generations” against each other
the way they alienate gen z as being “conditioned” to like social feedback on ticktok is really denigrating to me. As if every other generation was not conditioned to believe certain social taboos, mores and practices. Same old “young kids don’t know shit” rhetoric. Which viewers at home will just ingest w/o any sort of critical thought process.
Also how quickly they can invent ‘trends’ we should be fearful of simply because some middle-aged reporter watched a couple similar videos online. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go eat some tide pods before my scheduled game of knockout.
I don’t care what the source is, if there’s a Gen [insert whatever] or Millennials might be to blame for [insert whatever] I’m already at a -10 on the trust meter right out the gate.
I didn’t try my first avocado toast until like a year ago and lemme tell ya. Seeing as how eating it somehow went back in time and made me unable to afford a house, I expected it to be a lot more magical.
Ahhh so that’s why I’m broke, sometime in the future I eat avocado toast.
I love Gen Z, which is why I’m so upset that the dumb fucks are using TikTok.
Can’t blame them, my generation popularized social networks even after finding out what they were for.
I can blame them for picking the one that is spyware for the world’s largest hostile dictatorship, you absolute concavebrain moron. Anybody who at this point doesn’t realize what TikToks intended purpose is are willfully ignorant.
Believing the USA has better motives is pretty moronic too. Especially if you live in the USA
Oh is the local Democracy who fines companies like FaceBook billions for doing exactly what TikTok is trying to do
equivalent in your eyes to
The Militaristic Expansionist Hostile Dictatorship who created TikTok to do exactly what FaceBook did and rewards them accordingly?
Thanks for you opinion, dude.
Again, you need to take a step back. The USA has had much more aggressive and violent international policies than China. It being a democracy (which is itself arguable) does not matter.
And Snowden showed us that the USA are, again, not better than China in terms of mass surveillance.
China is a problem, but if you can’t see why the global south sees them as a balancing force rather than a threat, well, again, take a step back.
China is literally annexing it’s neighboring countries and killing multiple different ethnic minorities en masse. Not 60 years ago, not 10 years ago, right now. It’s happening right now.
Because they are a Dictatorship. They’re being ruled by an unaccountable class of people.
You know why Snowden was such a big deal? Because an arm of the US Government did something illegal by its own laws and he exposed it, leading to massive controversy and political action. Because in the USA the people have protections against that sort of thing.
What’s with the fucking attitude? Chill.
150 Million Americans are giving the keys to the kingdom to a hostile militaristic dictatorship with the potential to do harm on a scale beyond anything you’ve ever seen
in return for vines but worse.
This is one of those issues where “GET MAD” is the correct response.
“Hostile militaristic dictatorship” is just the United States. There’s almost zero difference between the US and China in those regards. The only real difference is that Chinese citizens are actually being lifted out of poverty at a rate not seen at any point in history while the US is continuing to impoverish their citizens. Both of them spy on their citizens and have insanely racist cultures.
There’s no moral difference between using TikTok and Facebook.
Ji Xinping has no term limit and was unanimously reelected by the single party congress, completely unopposed. China does not select their leadership.
The USA criminalizes and punishes misconduct like massive data collection, such as the FCC fining FaceBook 5 Bn USD, but China created and operates an even more invasive and far reaching data collection scheme on their own with TikTok.
Face it, loyal dog, China is the same monster it has been for a century, just waiting to add millions more bodies to the pile.
“GET MAD” at the proper institution/organizations/companies, not your fellow commenter, who is not even denying what you’re saying. I’m not saying you’re wrong, you’re just being a dick about it.
I live in a democracy. The proper institutions and organizations to police this issue is my fellow commentator.
Don’t blame me, I ditched Facebook as soon as my mom joined and never looked back.
Don’t worry, it’s spreading to Gen X and Y too.
That’s perfect. Once old folks take over the platform, it will be uncool and die.
I just assumed Biden’s little video about cookies was the end of it.
I see it plenty without the media stoking it. Here on Lemmy, etc.
It’s the same dumb tribalism as always, often backed up by some real data or trends (that tend to get twisted)
No, not every “boomer” is spoiled and ruining America, and 75% of the people you call boomers aren’t even boomers. Not every Gen Z is lazy and entitled and scrolling phones all day. Etc.
The median age of U.S. senators is 65. Who do you think is voting for those people?
The Boomer generation absolutely deserves to be shit on.
Who do you think refuses to vote against them?
Who the fuck would we vote for? Genocide Joe or Cheeto Mussolini? They rigged the primary against Bernie twice. Democracy is fucked in this country.
Good call, let’s vote against genocidal Joe.
Buddy I’m not here to convince you of anything. If you wanna believe not showing up to vote is just as bad as making a conscious decision and the effort to vote for these procorporate trash ghouls in the Senate that’s your choice. As for me: I choose to say Boomers are responsible for who they vote for and who they vote for is trash, so they are trash.
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Exactly, fuck Jeff!
Crabs in a bucket. If we can’t find the things that make us alike with our cohorts, it’s going to be very difficult to ever affect any sort of change.
Boomers don’t consider any generation after them “cohorts”. They consider them subservient.
