Mark Meckler is the president of the Convention of States Foundation and a leading proponent of the right-wing movement to get state legislatures to call for a dangerous Article V convention that will consider constitutional amendments to radically alter American government and society by making much of what the federal government now does unconstitutional.
“I don’t think there’s any way to solve this permanently without military action,” Meckler declared. “[We need a buffer zone] like the DMZ between the Koreas. It needs to be a kilometer of cleared territory that is a no man zone; you come in here and we believe you have hostile intent, we’re going to clear you out.”
“We need to exterminate the cartels and that means going into Mexico,” Meckler asserted. “Now people would say, ‘You’re violating a sovereign country’s territory.’ Well, Mexico is not a sovereign country any longer. Mexico is a failed narco state. The federal government is not in control of their military. The federal government is not in control of their police Their state governments are not, their local governments are not in control of their police forces. That is a failed narco-terrorist state and so we have to treat it as such.”
“To me, this is like Gaza. They’re invading our country. They’re invading our country every day. They’re killing our people, and we have to go in and use maximum force to oust them and create a buffer zone along the border. If we do that, we’ll have border security. It’s that simple.”
This seems well thought out.
Well here we go. This time next year they’ll be finding yellow cake in Mexico City.
There’s lithium in them their hills.
Eh, their ideology is enough. Especially since we’ve got more than enough lithium in the Salton Sea, which is already an environmental disaster zone.
US doesn’t go to war without an economic incentive. Oil, opioids, etc.
No we solved that in Iraq. The big money maker is the war itself. Supplying the soldiers, bases, and Reconstruction needs. All at an outrageous markup and done as cheaply as possible. (If it gets done at all)
Right, absolutely no oil in Iraq…
Iraq famously retained control of its oil. International news conferences and everything. While some American companies got contracts to run oil fields from the Iraqi government, there’s also Chinese and Iraqi companies with significant holdings there too.
The disruption of supply while the fields burned and had to be rebuilt made a killing for the Saudi Arabian friends/sponsors of the Bush family.
Mark… how did that work for you the last time?
That’s right… you fell down and broke your Alamo.
Member when George Bush shut down the border completely and it only lasted 48 hrs before his phone was ringing off the hook with angry corporate farm owners???
I member.
What a fucking idiotic war mongler. We should be strengthening our ties to Mexico not fucking starting a war.
Strengthening ties to the Mexico government is pretty unpalatable given its failure to defeat cartels
Cartels the US directly funds thanks to our insane puritanical response to drugs.
Also true yes
We pretty much are anyways. Alot of US manufacturing is already transitioning over to Mexico. I thought they even recently overtook, or are close to overtaking, China as one of our top trade partners. I think at some point the migration issue may solve itself and people will complain about Mexico taking all our jerbs.
Hey look! More mirroring of Nazi forces cling Germany! Fucking GOP
Don’t forget the Wall and no man’s land between two countries where guards are authorized to shoot to kill!
ok, well, lets roll that back a little bit.
Let’s say we help mexico in getting rid of the cartels. And then mexico can actually deal with it’s problems. Now we’re getting somewhere.
Frankly, i think the only true border solution, is dissolution of the cartels, in whatever manner that happens to be. Then facilitating good relations with mexico, considering their place as a trade partner at the moment, that just seems universally beneficial.
You know, because the only people crossing the border are Mexicans. And Mexican cartels have been the only driver of emigration.
the cartels are a significant driver behind trafficking. It doesn’t matter that it’s only mexicans, it matters that the cartels have control over the border. As that’s what allows them to traffic.
We could end Cartels in a year by just decriminalizing all drugs. And there is evidence that this, accompanied by a comprehensive addiction recovery drive is actually MORE effective at reducing drug use than punishing addicts.
But since Cruelty is the Point here in the U.S. for half the voting population don’t see it happening any time soon.
that is also a valid strategy, but there are complications to that of which i will not get into since that is beyond the point. Though that would really only remove the drug trade from the cartel, other crime, and various shenaniganry would still be up for the taking (they might even increase human trafficking)
It might be more cost effective to just buy Mexico.
- New, much shorter border with Guatemala, ripe for wall building, if that’s your jam.
- No more worries about mexicans coming over the border to be in the US.
- Additional domestic manufacturing, including ~30% rise in cars made in the US.
- US police and national guard can act directly against gangs in Mexico state.
- Ideally, infrastructure and policing investments lead to decline in northern migration, or equal and opposite migration south.
Seems doable, assuming they would sell, and might cost less than a war.
Once we are in charge most of the manufacturing would leave. OSHA and work place regulations would make it too expensive and would move to another foreign nation again.
Yeah, but it would take a few years, I imagine. I’m not really trying to make points that have long term good outcomes, but ones that a politician could make to justify the purchase. I think we’re all aware that our elected officials don’t give a shit about the long term outcomes.
The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.
So aside from the immense risk of starting a war with a nation right next door to you, …aside from the fact that there would be no clear strategic objectives, it would also cost a fortune.
If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels, then they would start with increasing financial aid to said government. But these very same people would probably be against that idea.
The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.
We invaded in 2003 and never really left. In fact, US military units in the country got hit by Iranian rockets just a few weeks ago. They’re still costing money, btw.
If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels
The US isn’t going to fight the cartels. The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.
The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.
Shipping powders back and forth
Singin’ black goes south and white comes north- John Perry Barlow
Yeah, what’s the endgame of invading? Make Mexico part of the US? Uh…aren’t the racists going to have a problem with that?
The endgame is extermination, always has been.
it would also cost a fortune.
That’s the point. Follow the money.
Why don’t we just declare war on the entire world. Maybe then these shitbags will have the show they wanna watch.
Let’s give them the best seat in the house, then. Put em on the front lines.
Earth. Hitler. 1938.
Gaza 2006-present.
The logic of this rhetoric is essentially the same as the logic of modern Russia- “we need a buffer zone”, and the target country “is not a country” and it’s not genocide or imperialism when we have a reason to do it but we don’t have a reason so we have to tell lies to convince our people that we do have one.
Sooo once the invasion is complete and the new southern border is with Guatemala, they’re gonna want to invade them too because the migrants are coming from there? And go on and on to Hondura, Nicaragua, etc.
We won’t stop until those penguins surrender!
I mean honestly it’s immigration with extra steps for us and fewer steps for the migrants. But who are we kidding? These people are looking at the lack of public outrage regarding Gaza and 2 years of war in Ukraine, and they’re thinking, “If no one cares about Russia or Israel, then it’s not like they’ll stop the US.”
The best place to stop is Panama. Then you’d have a very small land border and can concentrate all of your army stacks in one province.
Source: played video games in the past
Bruh you can’t put all your stacks in a small easily encircled space like that! When’s the last time you tried to unite the Americas on HOI4
Also source: Ron White, “Paying for the War.”
Seems… Risky 🌝
Source: played video games in the past
Recommend me some titles!
Sure! I’m a fan of the older Hearts of Iron games. They regularly go on sale on Steam. They run on potatoes and I think they’re a little easier to get into than Hearts of Iron 4.
Hearts of Iron 2 - My favorite, especially with the Armageddon and Doomsday alternate history time-frames.
Hearts of Iron 3 - Also a good one, but I didn’t have as many hours in it as 2.
I’m still waiting on some sort of current timeframe Grand Strategy game. There isn’t really one outside of mods.
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Just give them Mexico and they’ll be appeased, they won’t go to Guatemala next! There’s no reason for them to keep going south, it’s not like they’ve previously used their power to overthrow democratically elected leaders in central America before
This is the exact same logic used when Germany invaded Poland for fuck’s sake. These dipshit aren’t even original
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Did that mf say kilometer? He’s clearly a spy from another country.
From North Korea, definitely.
We must secure the warm water port and potato croplands for vodk- er um I mean american french fried potatoes
Tell me, Mark, was it that simple the day we marched into the Middle-East for over 20+ years before everything became undone in less than a week once we left? All of those billions and billions we’ve spent in that effort. Was it really that simple?
Nice hitler salute in the image, you fucking clown. (Even if it’s not, I’ll treat any gesture like that from a right-winger as an admission of nazism).
