• @gibmiser@lemmy.world
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    41 year ago

    Look at this comment to votes ratio. About 400 votes total and 170 comments! That is an awesome, active community!

  • ancap shark
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    Here in Brazil, tipping is not normal. Instead, restaurants and bars will add a 10% service cost to the bill. This 10% is then weekly divided between cooks, waiters, bartenders, etc, the proportion being decided by the restaurant.

    That is of course not a law, but it is so common that restaurant workers already consider that when thinking how much they make. My sister worked as a bartender at a restaurant recently, and she would add R$300 (roughly $60, yes it’s not much, but remember we’re a middle income country) to her monthly paycheck from this.

  • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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    Tipping service workers is one of the very few times in our life when we can say “The people directly serving me deserve to get paid more, and while I can’t raise their wage, I can at least make sure they’re getting paid well while they serve me” and the fact that people are upset about that and actively refuse to tip is just crazy to me.

    Like, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but tipping generously is one of the times when we can come pretty close! Maybe instead of having a $70 meal on the brink of a recession, have a $50 meal and tip up to the $70 that’s in your budget?

      • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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        41 year ago

        Yep! The people directly serving us deserve to get paid more, and while we can’t raise their wage, we can at least make sure they’re getting paid well while they serve us.

    • @31337@sh.itjust.works
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      51 year ago

      It just incentivizes being an asshole. Assholes give zero tips and get to keep more of their money, while normal people have to pay the empathy tax.

    • @SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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      71 year ago

      It’s sad how much flak you’re getting for this reasonable take. I’m lucky enough to be able to afford eating out a couple times a week, and I’m not scared of sharing a bit of my wealth with the neighborhood.

      • @Serinus@lemmy.world
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        It’s the last bit. His first paragraph is a good outlook. Encouraging everyone to tip 25-50% is insane and stupid.

        People tend to vote based on the worst part of a comment.

        • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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          31 year ago

          Please don’t put words in my mouth. When did I ever say 50%? Someone else botched their math and got to that number, and I even took the time to explain why their math was wrong. I have only told others to “tip generously”, to always include a tip in their budget while dining out, and in your specific case to tip more than 15%. Even in the offhand example I gave that you think is so insane and stupid, it only comes out to a 33% tip. The people who do the lion’s share of the actual labor deserve the lion’s share of the profits, and there’s nothing insane or stupid about that.

      • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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        51 year ago

        I aim for 25-30% tip when I get standard service and when there aren’t any comped apps/drinks/desserts. If the server is amazing or if they’re giving us free stuff, I give more. 50% is very rare for me to hit, but I did leave 50% at a family dinner a few weeks ago.

        Why did you ask about 50% specifically?

        • @Serinus@lemmy.world
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          Yeah, either that’s pretty dumb or you’re pretty wealthy.

          A standard tip is 15%. Up to 20% is reasonable. Anything more is generosity, and should never be expected.

          The thing about inflation is that 15% of a larger number is a larger number. Inflation is built in, and you don’t need to add it twice.

          Not everybody can be remembered as the guy who gives good tips. That’s not how it works.

          • Saik0
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            21 year ago

            Anything more is generosity,

            Nah bro… It’s a lie. If you were to trust the % ratio of people in these threads that are leaving 30+% tips, then the wait staff would be rolling in dough. Especially with food prices going up like they have.

          • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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            31 year ago

            I make $1 above minimum wage in Los Angeles, so I’m wealthy in a global sense but poor in a local sense. I just live a frugal life with few expenses or vices beyond gaming and smoking, and that’s what enables me to tip generously and give to mutual aid groups. I probably eat out less often than the average American, and I don’t own a car, but I’m OK with losing those things. I am able and willing to make those sacrifices, so I do so. If you’re not able or not willing to make those sacrifices, that’s your choice, but don’t take the consequences of your choice out on the people who are on the bottom rung of society. That’s just gross.

              • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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                Maybe it used to be decades ago when we first formed our opinions about this stuff, but times have changed since then. Rent has done nothing but go up, while the federal minimum wage has been $7.25/hour since 2009 and the federal tipped minimum wage has been $2.13/hour since 1991. That 15% you gave in 2010 was used for cigarettes and drinks after work, maybe coffee the next morning, maybe putting a little bit into savings or paying for college. Today, that 15% is used for rent. Rent and gas. Rent and gas and maybe childcare. Tipping more than 15% is our way to actually tell someone that they deserve more than just the necessities–and I don’t mean telling them with words or with comments on Lemmy, I mean telling them with action.

                • @Rediphile@lemmy.ca
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                  21 year ago

                  I can’t bring my self to encourage people to work stupid fucking jobs that pay $2.13 or whatever. Have some fucking self respect.

        • NoIWontPickaName
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          31 year ago

          Your example is a $20 tip on a $50 bill.

          $70 meal to $50 meal is a $20 difference and you said to use the difference.

          I guess 40% is the actual number but it was close enough for a random internet discussion. Lol

            • NoIWontPickaName
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              31 year ago

              You are changing from a $70 meal and a $50 meal to a $50 meal rounding up to $70.

              There is sales tax on the $70 meal at the same percentage.

                • NoIWontPickaName
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                  21 year ago

                  You forgot that tax would be included at the same rate on a $70 meal as a $50.

                  You can’t use tax as an excuse on the 50 since the 70 would have it too.

        • @Sprawlie@lemmy.world
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          51 year ago

          This is ridiculous amount to tip. Good on you for being frivolous and not caring how much you spend, but understand that by your further escalation of tipping you are directly contributing to the businesses that are getting away with it.

          Not 10 years ago, expected tipping was 10-15%. Now you’re throwing 25-30? Or 50? you realize how unstable, unrealistic and how bad a precedent that is setting?

          • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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            It’s not a ridiculous amount to tip, but explaining why it’s reasonable requires an understanding of what commodity fetishism is. Are you already familiar with the term? If not, would you be willing to read a description of what it is if I typed one up for you?

            • @Rediphile@lemmy.ca
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              31 year ago

              No fucking way someone with an understanding of Marxist sociology supports tipping. Not a fucking chance. I’m so confused right now.

              • @betheydocrime@lemmy.world
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                11 year ago

                Socialist theory is great, but material conditions don’t care about our ideologies :) I use Marxism and socialism to help myself understand why I feel so alienated and to help fight those feelings, but I still understand that every worker in America lives as an exploited laborer under capitalism. I’m not wealthy or politically powerful or willing to use violence to enforce my views, so my praxis must be aimed at helping the little people until we have enough of a leftist coalition to take on the bigger issues.

                Essentially, I’m not big enough to change the world for the better all on my own, but I can change the parts of it that I can reach out and touch with my hands, so why shouldn’t I?

  • circuitfarmer
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    The whole damn system exists to place the burden of a living wage on the customer while the company paying peanuts can claim no wrongdoing. And the really sad part is: it has worked.

    Edit: and there are many, many businesses that wouldn’t be in business if they actually had to pay competitive wages on their own. The invisible hand can fix nothing if tipping culture says to throw more and more arbitrary amounts of money at people to subsidize their wages yourself. At some point (I’d argue we’re past it already), the band-aid needs to get ripped off. Only then will we see self-correction. The almost immediate loss of many businesses will likely trigger other actions. It’s already a no-win scenario.

    • @hglman@lemmy.ml
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      21 year ago

      Tipping is good bc you van pay the employee directly. What needs to change is that tips need to be mandatory and when tips fall short of a living wage the business must pay pay to make up.

      • circuitfarmer
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        Yes, but one way is on the company first and one isn’t. Would prices go up if these places were paying living wages? Most likely. Many businesses would be insolvent because their business model was simply never designed to pay a living wage to employees. Others could remain solvent, but probably not if they continue to take so much off the top at higher positions.

        And that’s exactly it: the market never self-corrects if we throw arbitrary money in excess of listed prices to solve was is ultimately an issue of business solvency and ethics. There is no economic theory that would support such an idea in any industry, but here we are.

        The sheer number of businesses out of the space might even drive down rents. That’s the kind of thing I mean by “other actions”. But things cannot continue as they are.

        None of this is even to mention the sheer number of people in the service industry who are also on government assistance programs. They have to be – none of the blame is on them. But my tax dollars go to that, plus I am expected to pay extra to subsidize their wages with tips. I effectively subsidize them twice while someone reaps the rewards on their yacht. All I’m saying is the yacht people should be taking the risks first. That’s part of being a business owner.

      • @MisterFrog@lemmy.world
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        The difference is that on slow nights, staff get paid less, which is fucked up.

        The business needs to wear the cost, because they reap the rewards, which is the narrative capitalism supposedly is about.

        Tipping sucks, I’m glad we don’t have it in Australia.

  • @ExLisper@linux.community
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    101 year ago

    I used to tip most of the times when I got to Spain but I was told so many time it’s simply not something people do here that I mostly stopped. There no way tip when you’re paying with a card and I carry less and less cash so without any pressure to tip I simply lost the habit.

  • @quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Keep this garbage out of europe please. i see it popping up. I will absolutely refuse to tip a single goddamn soul at this point going forward.

  • @s_s@lemm.ee
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    If you live in a tipping culture and can’t afford to tip, then you can’t afford to eat somewhere with a waitress.

  • Alien Nathan Edward
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    471 year ago

    we’re on the verge of a recession I gotta cut back

    someone should make and serve my meals for me