It’s a curious thing. I’m not dismissing any of their claims, but I find it a bit interesting that they can so easily uncover everything that the government doesn’t want you to know when it’s hidden for a reason.
Because “I’m the smart one that can see through the lies” - conspiracy theorists almost always have delusions of grandeur.
Then and Now did a good pease on this
“I know a guy who knows a guy.”
I do know a lot of guys who knows guys.
Most of them are useless though. (especially the Feebs.)
YouTube, Facebook, forums and pretty much any echo chamber. Pretty much anything that has replaced AM radio and shitty newsletters. In the ~2020’s also parroting politicians – I’m sure I don’t need to go over the last 4 years of examples, so how about the Bowling Green massacre that never happened?
People seem to be forgetting that not all conspiracy theories or theorists are crazy.
Sometimes it turns out to be true. Just ask MKULTRA and Iran-contra.
But yeah, 99.997% of them are fake and made up by one or a few people, and get repeated ad nauseum
Some of them are true, but it’s impossible to know which ones until you get actual non-batshit evidence which is why it’s not reasonable to believe any of them.
But if you want to have a favorite one just for fun, I think that’s ok.
You have to do some careful research and reasoning. Arrive at your conclusions the hard way.
But then they call you crazy.
But if you want to have a favorite one just for fun, I think that’s ok.
Mine is probably the ‘NASA wanted to fake the moon landings, so they got Kubrick in to direct. But he was such a perfectionist, he insisted on filming on location’ one.
Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
Problem is that conspiracy theorists believe that the theories that have actually been proven true are fake and meant to throw people off from the real truth.
Those weren’t conspiracies. The government just covered them up. Truths are never conspiracy…it’s kind of the definition.
Truths are never conspiracy…it’s kind of the definition.
No, it’s not.
conspiracy
noun
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful
No, a conspiracy is when people get together and conspire, i.e. they develop a secret plan of action for nefarious purposes. In the strictest sense, the term “conspiracy theory” just means that you’re theorizing that some people have secretly planned to do something. If you theorize that some wrongdoers have developed or enacted a secret plan, and it later turns out your suspicion was correct, then by definition you had a true conspiracy theory.
It’s just…there…on the internet…because the most powerful people in the world are bumbling fools with no sense of security.
because the most powerful people in the world are bumbling fools with no sense of security.
Seems pretty accurate actually.
Ahh, the OceanGate incident. Good times (except for that poor son).
There’s good money in “based on a true story”. Conspiracy theories sell books, get eyeballs on web ads, make fame, and boost political campaigns. When a person is rewarded for turning their speculations or outright lies into “nonfiction” form, they’re likely to persist in doing it.
the government would never hand it over
The gov’t is many people, not just one, and they have all kinds of funny humans there :)
Pretty much like most other leakers of information be that film or TV shows - most don’t know anything and either keep it so vague that they can claim anything as a win (a recent leak about Moon Knight season 2 said it was in development about would have at least 6 episodes - anyone could have made that up) or go so far into the deep end that it’s impossible to come up with evidence to contradict it (like being part of an “away team” in an extraterrestrial exchange program where you spent a decade on another planet while a doppelganger filled in for you back on Earth).
Somewhere in there may be legitimate leakers but they get drowned out by the grifters and the mentally ill. In fact, some leakers are likely to be spreading disinformation to cover up secret goings-on or to test how leaky an organisation is.
Good luck trying to pick through that tangled mess looking for “the truth”. Although I am sure it’s out there, it’s usually well guarded.
Leaks?
Or NSA beaming info into your brain as you are a subject of a top secret test and can now directly commune with aliens
turns out all those 5G vaccine chips were good for something after all.
thanks bill gates!
Bill Gates chips? Bad.
Elon Musk chips? Good!
Take that, liberals!
Occam’s razor answer: They’re crackpots that seek out and/or surround themselves with other crackpots. One crackpot makes the stuff up, the others eat it up. Eventually it becomes a positive feedback loop of crackpot theory feeding more crackpot theories.
Did I mention they’re crackpots? Because they’re crackpots.
Lazerpig called it a Woozle Hunt, after the Winnie the Pooh story. Pooh and Piglet think they’re hunting a woozle, but in reality they’re just following their own tracks around and around.
I’ll have to remember that. It’s much more well put than how I described it.
MK Ultra
For every real one that is eventually discovered, there’s 10,000 flying around in real time that are total bunk.
Whether the 10,000 bunk ones are deliberately put out as decoys to hide the 1 real one, I will leave that up to the reader.
All I’m saying is the first attempt on MLK’s life came from a schizophrenic black woman during the height of MKUltra’s operations while she babbled about things the CIA hates and their favorite test subjects were disenfranchised schizophrenics.
This is the important difference between conspiracies and conspiracy theories. Once there’s actual evidence, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory.
For example, the fact MK Ultra was real does not prove the fact we are ruled by lizards.
Evidence existing is a very low bar, It’s when it’s proved beyond reasonable doubt that it stops being a theory.
“I prefer to think of it as more of a conspiracy hypothesis, really”
In a scientific setting that would be the correct term. A theory is not synonymous to a guess, but rather a well-substantiated explanation of fact.
It can be worse than that sometimes. The crackpots see some nuggets of truth, and for whatever reason, they make some leap in interpreting them that leads them to nonsense. They keep finding things that are either true, and add them to their worldview, or made by people who took compatible leaps of logic away from reality. They propagate it to others.
Taking Kennedy’s assassination as a classic example: it’s true that a lot of people wanted him dead, some benefited from his death, the CIA has a history of assassinations, and Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist who had once lived in Minsk. I can see why someone with just enough information to feel confident can arrive at a belief that the CIA or USSR killed Kennedy, while missing critical information to realize there’s no reason to believe either is true.
There’s an episode of Voyager where Seven of Nine goes down conspiracy rabbit holes that’s a lot like that.
Basically, the first one turns out to be correct (although very minor), but it fuels more and more absurd theories. Essentially she goes into a feedback loop, over- and mis-analyzing everything until she’s convinced that every encounter she’s had with anyone has been part of a conspiracy against her.
So maybe “crackpot” was a bit harsh, at least in some cases.
Yeah that sounds like a realistic, if a bit hyperbolic, portrayal of at least some people’s experiences.
I haven’t personally been in any conspiracy theory rabbit holes, but I’ve seen a few people slide into them. There are some people who are so far out there they generate much of the nonsense, but I think there are a lot more victims than crackpots. And I think most of them have a nugget of truth or legitimate grievance in there somewhere.
They don’t
I’m not dismissing any of their claims,
Why not? You should.
Conspiracy theories can be revealed to be true. They’re not all bullshit.
In the 90s I was in the rabbit hole about Echelon and had a healthy paranoia about my privacy.
So when Snowden dropped the leaks about mass government surveillance I wasn’t surprised at all. I assumed everyone knew. But nope - apparently Echelon was a “conspiracy theory” and so was all the Snowden stuff until - it wasn’t.
That’s my personal experience but there’s others like MKUltra.
Echelon was not so much a conspiracy theory as a sad game of telephone where increasingly disturbed people projected their increasingly distorted paranoias onto an actual thing.
Same with HAARP. Yes, it as exists. No, It does not do that. Or that. Or even that.
But it did give us a damn fine concert movie from Muse, and that’s indisputable.
I was in a rxxit thread with some wahoo who INSISTED that ALL global warming was caused by HAARP deliberately to somehow benefit the U.S.
I linked a wolfram alpha calc about how much energy it would take to raise the entire atmosphere 1.2 degrees.
It was equivalent to several billion Tsar Bombs.
Posted the evidence, stated that 'HAARP physically couldn’t push that amount of energy into the atmosphere even if it was pumping out the physical max EM that the array could handle, every day, since the day it was first brought online. It wouldn’t even be 1/2,000,000th of a tsar bomb total.
Their response “Well, that’s your opinion.”
And then 2 months later rxxit banned me for saying ‘punching nazis is a moral good’ and now the thread is lost forever.
The power comes from the sun. HAARP modulates the magnetic flux from the sun like the base of a giant transistor.
At least that’s what my local conspiracy theorist told me when I raised the same point. It’s complete bunk of course, but it sounds plausible enough for anyone who is not an atmospheric scientist. Not any less plausible to the average wing nut than the whole story about carbon dioxide emission spectra in the infrared and global warming anyway. There is science words in there.
He’s indicating he’s not looking to get in on any particular topic, not stating support or disagreement with anything
Like you said, it’s a theory you can look at available data and draw conclusions. The term “conspiracy theory” is used to make anybody they want look less credible.
We know that the government was aware of something that was going to happen in 9/11 but they say they didn’t have enough information. We also know that the government allowed perl harbor to happen so they could have an excuse to join the war. Did the government know what was going to happen on 9/11 and intentionally allowed it to happen? I’m sure I found dig up compelling information. We already know what happened in response to 9/11.
Because the big bad is always all too powerful and all too weak at the same time. Turns out werewolfs are brought down by silver bullets, vampires have to sleep in a coffin and can get stabbed, demons can’t go past a ring of power, aliens invaders with bacteria. No other arrangement will work. If the enemy is all powerful they just take over. If they are all weak no one cares about them. Only the exact combination of threatening but easy to defeat allows drama to exist.
So of course the government is smart enough to pull off incredible fears of social manipulation but not smart enough to hide it from some podcaster “just asking questions”. No other arrangement will work. If the government is always dumb they can’t do a conspiracy, if they are always smart they can pull it off and no one will know. Non-working arrangements don’t get propagated and their lines die off, the working arrangements infect new hosts and spreads.
I would imagine that to hide the truth that leaked they would feed nonsense on purpose so they can either find a leak and/or fill the world with so much false data that the truth is harder to find. I’m sure there is some truth in the middle of all this.
Gematria
I just put “bush did 9/11” and “Wendy’s 5 for 5 dollar meal is back” into a gematria calculator and they equal each other. I don’t know what this means but it’s fucking HUGE!!
