Apple being Apple again. Just why does anyone actually like that company?
Just why does anyone actually like that company?
I mean, if Google weren’t shit, I’m sure Android would be more viable. They’ve can’t even keep a consistent brand! They’ve gone from Google Play this and that, to migrating everything - including podcasts - to YouTube.
Fuck google buy a google pixel then put grapheneos on it
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Fuck Google
Give them money
Is there another option?
- Buy an old Xperia 10 III.
- Flash SailfishOS there
- ???
- Profit
Buy a second-hand Google Pixel.
Other options are Fairphone, Volla, Murena - or flashing “vanilla” custom ROM’s on phones other than Pixels - or using Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, Mobian, Droidian or Sailfish OS.
Its kinda ironic that google pixel is the only phone with decent secirity hardware and an unlockablw bootloader.
buy a used phone
They would make a lot more money on that purchase if it’s vanilla android though. Yes, you’re spending money on the hardware, but is Google really known for making bank on just hardware sales?
migrating everything - including podcasts - to YouTube
If only there were other apps for podcasts on Android, it would be a viable operating system.
Google is kind of crap, but Android has a lot more built-in escape hatches than iOS does. People don’t seem to use them as much as I’d hoped, but they’re available.
While I totally agree, the average Joe is just going to gravitate to whomever controls the ecosystem. Kinda hard to trust a higher authority when they can’t even get their in-house shit together.
Are you implying that the average user doesn’t know how to install an app? My 80 yo parents do that on their samsung tablet.
No need to trust any higher authorities, whatever that means
I’m implying that people choose the path of least resistance.
Gotcha, sorry misunderstood
I think they mean the average person isn’t going to take the time to check 20 different contacts apps in the store to find the perfect one, then do it again with every other basic app on their phone.
They’re just gonna use the default app 99%
That’s google’s strategy though.
Although they let you have full control and don’t force you to use their apps, it’s setup so the majority just use the defaults and are discouraged to sway away from google’s ways.
Its fully intentional.
I’ve been using Podcast Addict for years now. Dunno why people think they are bound to one thing when Android offers so many choices.
I think they’re just have choice paralysis. There’s too much stuff on Android, and picking something is really rather anoying.
Something like a Gallery. There’s probably a 1000 galleries on Play Store, 50% of them are “my first app”, that display a fullscreen ad every other photo.
You have to know what you want, research it, then get it. Non-nerds don’t really care about that.
My guess. I’m a nerd who does care about all that.
You do have a point, but each App’s play store page itself shows whether it has ads or in-app purchases. One can use that as an indicator for selecting an app. So people just need to pay attention to the small text right below the App’s title
Then there is always f-droid . You can find really good quality software without ads in fdroid. I rarely use the play store these days (except when I have to update whatsapp and banking apps)
Again, you’re telling this to an android nerd. I’m aware.
I’m speaking from a perspective of an average joe, who is 100% not aware of the existance of F-droid or is convinced that it’s malware.
I’m also don’t expect people sift through hundreds of apps, opening each page and checking permissions/ads/reviews.
People install apps either because they’ve heard about it on TV/whatever, or a friend told them to install this specific app.
This is why people rely on default apps, and compare “phones” based on that.
I will confess I used Google podcasts for years not realizing that the FOSS alternatives were MASSIVE improvements.
Is there a podcast app that automatically plays the next episode of podcasts in the correct order (oldest to newest)?
I’ve tried a bunch of podcast apps and none of them seem to do that like Google podcasts did, unless I’m using them wrong.
Pocketcasts fixed that a while ago. You can set the sorting of episodes for each podcast and then it plays in that order.
Antennapod can do that. You can define the sort order per show.
Android is more popular globally, the only place where it isn’t true (AFAIK) is USA where the colour of the text bubble is important for reasons that defy logic.
Google’s marketing department defies logic every day.
Is that your biggest concern about a tech company? Id be happy for marketing departments to he shut down and the money redirected to make better/cheaper products.
While Google sucks now and has for a while, in their early days they have demonstrated that marketing is not all it takes to make innovative, successful products.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, Apple obsession with marketing has created fanboys that spend the night queuing up to be the first to get the latest iPhone, and that don’t question the technology or ethics (or anything) behind the flashing toy that they crave. Good for the executives and the shareholder but as a customer?
Yeah. We usually mock apple users in my country xd they go in high debt to get one of those candy bricks and can’t even afford a cellular plan afterwards. Lmao
where the colour of the text bubble is important for reasons that defy logic.
That’s just a thing tweens and teens do, it’s just like when kids were obsessed with expensive shoes when I was a kid and would ostracize the kids who couldn’t afford them. No sane adult I have ever met gave a shit about my text bubbles.
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If that company is serious about conducting professional business for any length of time, they’ll learn better soon enough. In my industry, we still use dialup modems to remotely manage some equipment. You’d be fired for telling a customer to fuck off for not having a specific phone.
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That’s half-true. No adults I voluntarily associate with care what brand of phone anybody else has in theory, but a lot of the iPhone owners are vehemently unwilling to install any third-party messaging apps. That means:
- Messaging about anything where security is important is a problem. Most people don’t have big secrets, but sending things that could be used for identity theft isn’t terribly rare.
- Exchanging high-quality media is impossible.
- People will exclude non-iPhone users from group chats because falling back to MMS is a bad experience for everyone.
Whoever buys apple shit will learn eventually. Or just go extinct.
An update from Apple. Apple actually reversed that decision. Finally. Tested on latest stable version of iOS 17.4 and it works. (from https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/#dev-qa ):
Why don’t users in the EU have access to Home Screen web apps?
UPDATE: Previously, Apple announced plans to remove the Home Screen web apps capability in the EU as part of our efforts to comply with the DMA. The need to remove the capability was informed by the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps to support alternative browser engines that would require building a new integration architecture that does not currently exist in iOS.
We have received requests to continue to offer support for Home Screen web apps in iOS, therefore we will continue to offer the existing Home Screen web apps capability in the EU. This support means Home Screen web apps continue to be built directly on WebKit and its security architecture, and align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS.
Developers and users who may have been impacted by the removal of Home Screen web apps in the beta release of iOS in the EU can expect the return of the existing functionality for Home Screen web apps with the availability of iOS 17.4 in early March.
Finally, some good news.
This f*cking sucks. I hope they don’t bring this to Australia, I want to make my native app a web app to save money so I don’t have to pay their bullshit fees and own their shit computers
Unless you force them to open up their system for 3rd party stores and browsers like EU did, I think you’re fine.
I wish we were doing that here too. Hopefully when we do we’ll take some learnings based on Europe’s experience.
ps: Thanks for the Auto TL;DR bot, has saved me a lot of time assessing articles
Glad I helped you!
Third party browser & JavaScript engine + ability to install web apps on the Home screen = third party app store that doesn’t have to pay Apple’s fees.
When Apple could force everyone to use Apple’s WebKit, web apps didn’t matter as much as Apple could limit WebKit features to push people to the App Store. E.g. it took ages to get push notifications on WebKit. If Google and Mozilla are free to make whatever improvements to their browser engines, the need to have native apps on the phone decreases considerably.
That’s what I really want personally, the mobile web Steve Jobs envisioned. Glorious web apps without flash.
He pushed everything into apps though. Getting rid of flash was a big part of that because JavaScript wasn’t capable of all of the same things at that time. The canvas wasn’t fully supported yet. That meant games and anything with crazy animations needed to be an app.
Killing flash was one of the first steps to where we are now. It may not have been perfect but it did a lot for its time.
What are some popular examples that would be affected by this?
Here’s a list of Non-Open Source web apps: https://www.neoito.com/blog/best-progressive-web-apps/
Here’s a list of Open Source web apps: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_web_applications
The barrier of entry for these apps are just so low. You don’t have to download anything for them to work and (for now) they’re crossplatform.
If you haven’t yet, you might want to try voyager on your lemmy instance: https://vger.app/
Popular? None.
But we don’t only have to build an environment that allows the doing of popular things. We also need to maintain a society in which unpopular or unusual things can be done. The doing of unpopular or unusual things is itself popular.
my own reddit viewer https://rdx.overdevs.com
He said “popular”
one day sugartits, one day
If I’m understanding right, I believe Xbox Cloud Gaming and Geforce Now have used this. They get access to better video APIs by running as a home screen webapp, and aren’t at risk of popping the address bar from touch confusion.
Voyager, a client for Lemmy, also installs as a webapp. Similarly, it doesn’t show the address bar when you scroll up and down.
Mind you Voyager has a wrapped iOS app already. Posting from it right now.
Cryptee is one that comes to mind.
Queue the Apple dick riders defending their precious megacorp from being a POS company
*Cue
Nah, they are lining up to defend their favorite company.
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Queue?
Qwayway?
My guess is that the majority doesn’t know what web apps are. Most people I know either have an app for that or consider a function not worthwhile or necessary.
Nah. They are just locking down a pathway for using whatever you want on a device you purchased.
Holy shit if this is true it will be a game changer for me . Will be start looking android devices. Such a retrograde movement!
Well, definitely sounds like something they’d do. EU might force them not to, though. Only time will tell how it turns out. But definitely recommend the move to Android!
It is true
Apple being Apple again. Just why does anyone actually like that company?
Marketing and build quality goes a long way to making people feel like a company is good.
What’s this fabled build quality that other phones in the same price range don’t have?
Sure others have the same build quality, but not the decades of marketing that Apple has. You gotta have both to get people to be irrationally loyal to a company.
I like there hardware but I don’t like what they do with it and what they do with the software
They do have good software in some things but their limitations make it not worth it
As a sysadmin and self-hoster this decision will absolutely make me drop Apple 150%. A clean and well implemented pwa was a big reason I have stuck with my iPhone 12 despite buying a pixel 7. I know there are options on Android but they all have issues either in ux or in ui that makes it very obvious I’m using a pwa.
Man, they’re seething against the EU, totally pissed that the legislators worked against their abuse over developers and rubbed against their cash cow.
Apple is all about money and fucking the user, being no different from Meta or Google. All they have is shinier hardware.
What about privacy though? Google runs an ad network, so clearly they have financial incentive to spy hard.
So does Apple, the difference being they grabbed it all to themselves. This is why they have “no tracking” options, to seal competition off while selling themselves as the privacy champions and also selling their in house ad solution. That and the fact that they worked with the government behind users back, and having a shoddy work to secure their OS.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56995192
https://www.vox.com/recode/23045136/apple-app-tracking-transparency-privacy-ads
Apple is not any better than Meta, they just lie better.
Much worse than Google IMO, at least when it comes to fucking with rules made by EU. Google usually tries to appeal legally and if it doesn’t work out, they do what they must. This Apple bulshittery with 3rd party app stores is a new one. Someone here in this thread said that the worst EU can do to companies breaking DMA is forcing them to sell the division. I would love for Apple to push EU that far.
Companies working against technical standards are basically working against society. And no one fights standards quite like Apple.
But but but muh innovation! Standards ruin that! /s
I’d argue they have better hardware. I’d love to have an iPhone running stock Android.
That would be the dream :)
I mean the og comment literally said “all they have is shinier hardware”
Just read it wrong since Google was mentioned right before the start of the final sentence
Costs a fortune, hard to repair, no SD slot, no headphone jack, until recently could not be used with the chargers you have for everything else… At least for me it is a “no”.
Apple is scary because they succeeded at creating a sect by frontal assault, so to say.
Google did that very subtly and precisely in the 00s, and like a decade ago firmly diverted to the MS way.
MS didn’t go in the cult direction, they slowly and steadily capitalized on their monopolistic power with moderation and modesty.
While Apple almost from the beginning just shat on everybody and everybody asked for more. They even took the counterculture niche partially in the 90s and 00s. And for clueless people it’s still them.
Another reason to keep hating apple. Fascists corporate america
I moved from android to iphone 2 years ago. As soon as this piece of crap dies, I’m moving back to android.
welcome back, let’s hope Play Integrity has an exploit found in case you bought a Xiaomi or Alcatel or whatever.
Heh, welcome back soon!
I am not a huge fan of Apple but they will probably be stuck on iOS for a while. Their phones last quite a long time and get updates for very long.
As does every good phone in that price range.
Updates though?
This year’s top Samsung has 7 years of updates guaranteed.
How was it earlier?
5 years, before that 3 years, before that worse and not even standardized.
honestly, the shitty user experience might make me chuck it into the trash before it actually dies.
Haha, that’s fair enough.
i find it absolutely hilarious when iphone fans talk about a polished user experience, it’s a joke.
no one complains about their phones more than iphone users
looking forward to being able to have separate volumes for notifications and ringer again… "#/(%)&#)$%&
Unfortunately that’s not a stock Android thing, so weird
Really? Pixels have had that function for a while now. I always assumed it was stock.
I have a Pixel, notification and ringer are combined
For me the notifications were the biggest gripe.
