This was always the plan!
And I suppose allowing people to you use whatever bathrooms they want would end bullying?
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The title of this article is very obviously suggesting that someone died as a direct result of bathroom laws.
When the state shows solidarity with anti-trans bigots it emboldens those bigots to act out.
Anyway your comment distracts from the real issue.
Some people hate trans people enough to kill them just for existing. That is patently wrong, outrageous, disgusting, immoral, sickening, and horrific.
If I see anyone insulting, injuring, or harassing a person with bigoted insults, I will be compelled to do something to stop it. I’m fucking sick to death of fucking nazis acting with impunity. They need to creep back into the sewers where they came from and STFU.
Anyway your comment distracts from the real issue.
There are several issues. The fact that you deflect and refuse to acknowledge one for the other just proves that I’m right.
What is the issue they’re trying to deflect?
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You haven’t complained about any “issue”. You’re just asking questions and speaking vaguely. What is your point?
Trans kid was murdered. Any decent human being considers that the main issue.
The kid wasn’t killed directly because of the laws but because of anti-trans hate. Bathroom laws only foment that hate.
Any decent human being considers that the main issue.
It is the main issue. That doesn’t mean all other issues suddenly cease to exist.
The kid wasn’t killed directly because of the laws
They weren’t killed at all because of the laws, which the title of this article is obviously implying.
Why does no one cares that the author is intentionally spreading disinformation?
“The bullying had started in earnest at the beginning of the 2023 school year, a few months after Oklahoma governor Kevin Stitt signed a bill that required public school students to use bathrooms that matched the sex listed on their birth certificates.”
Nex was assaulted in the bathroom. The article doesn’t go into detail, but based on context, Nex outwardly appeared like a boy, but was forced the use the girls bathroom. Laws that don’t specifically call for inequality can still be used to harass very targeted and specific group. This is why getting rid of ridiculous bathroom bills is important, and this is why Republicans push so hard to implement them. It’s not about creating safer environment for most people, but about creating a very obvious, uncomfortable, and unsafe environment for a very specific group of people, in this case, transgender and non-binary people.
They aren’t using whatever bathrooms they want. They are using the bathroom that people of their gender are supposed to use.
But do explain to us why you want this man to be in a women’s bathroom. Or locker room.
That is Ben Melzer. He is a male model. He was also born biologically female.
Do you think women would feel comfortable or safe with him in there?
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Could we not just have gender neutral bathrooms? ie. A hallway/long room with 5 doors on each side and behind each of those doors you have a sink/toilet/urinal. Each door is actually a door from floor to ceiling.
Sure! Just don’t pretend like doing so is somehow protecting trans people from bullying. Or that the opposite is not.
Absolutely, no pretending here, bullying is a larger systemic issue that requires many different approaches to solve. It’s not a one size fits all solution in a sense and requires all of us as a society to work together.
Just as there are many different types of bullies, there are many different vectors of bullying, such as in person, online, or indirect. Each would need a different approache to mitigate.
Sure but we’re discussing a very specific approach.
And their “gender” is whatever they want it to be so, yes they are.
No.
Their gender is not a choice.
Do you think being gay is a choice as well?
I mean this is an anecdote. And an exceptional one at that. I can show you a dozen women who look like men. Women like the one in the OP who was beaten to death in a women’s bathroom.
I see, so it’s okay for trans people to use the bathroom of their gender as long as they don’t look like they’re trans.
so it’s okay for trans people to use the bathroom of their gender as long as they don’t look like they’re trans.
LOOOOLOLOL That was your argument, not mine.
No it wasn’t. At all. I think trans people should use the bathroom of their gender period.
But then I don’t think being trans is a choice.
You didn’t answer my question- is being gay a choice?
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Sorry… are you now saying that being trans is a choice because some people pretend to be trans? Also, how exactly do you take advantage of women by pretending to be trans?
This is some weird TERF shit.
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just dont go around pretending like bathroom rules got this kid killed.
Had they been allowed to use the other bathroom they wouldn’t have been beaten to death by girls in the girls bathroom, would they?
They were a trans girl. 🤦♂️ And they could have been beaten anywhere.
It could definitely remove one of the most notorious and dangerous places kids get bullied.
Just because you want to be a peeping Tom and watch folks in the bathroom doesn’t mean everyone else does.
It could definitely remove one of the most notorious and dangerous places kids get bullied.
Really? Please explain how that wouldn’t make them 10x more likely to be bullied. I’ll wait.
Just because you want to be a peeping Tom
Ah yeah, prove your point with personal insults, that’s convincing.
What’s your proposal, then?
Considering they think being trans is a choice, I think you can guess what their proposal is.
Considering this person thinks being trans means you are whatever gender you look like I think you can guess they’re a TERF.
Oh I know they’re a TERF.
I don’t think anyone is saying changing bathrooms will end bullying. Judging by the conversation I’m seeing I think most people are upset that a child in a government institution was physically beaten to death.
Although based on your comment it doesn’t seem like you’re on the same page as those people.
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All part of their plan
Weird cuz there’s an entire sentence in the headline of this article that mentions banning bathrooms. What do you think they were implying by that?
E: Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Lots of downvoters and no answers.
This whole post and all its threads are a ducking train wreck.
Anyway… Looking beyond the headline “Oklahoma governor Kevin Stitt signed a bill that required public school students to use bathrooms that matched the sex listed on their birth certificates.”
I think that’s fucked because it others trans people and sends the message that hating trans people is ok. And I think that makes assholes more likely to be violent towards trans people.
And also a trans kid in this was beaten to death, and might have survived had the school called a goddamn ambulance, or if they had done anything to counter anti-trans hate.
Idk what the duck do you want to hear exactly?
That we should force trans kids to use the bathroom of their birth certificate sex? Or that we shouldn’t?
Maybe instead of dancing around with questions just state your opinion?
Idk what the duck do you want to hear exactly?
I want to hear exactly what I asked for. That the author is dishonestly blaming this senseless death on bathroom laws. That they’re rage-baiting to feed the machine that stifles any sort of progress.
I want to hear an actual answer to the questions I ask instead of deflection.
I want you to acknowledge disinformation, even when it comes from “your side”.
What fucking business is it of yours? I mean, really. You wanna do dick checks of everyone using a public bathroom? Go the fuck ahead, I dare you.
What fucking business is it of yours?
It’s as much my fucking business as it is the author’s, yours, OP’s, or any of the fucking people commenting here.
You wanna do dick checks of everyone using a public bathroom? Go the fuck ahead, I dare you.
That’s fucking disgusting and fucking inappropriate, why the fuck would I do ever fucking do that?
THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO ARM UP AND BE SEEN READY TO FIGHT
These people know you’re a doormat and a pushover.
I have to admit, one of my first emotional responses was anger. I want vengeance. When will we see the day the bullies, abusers, murderers, and their enablers receive justice?
Not civilized “justice” in court rooms, on pieces of paper, with well-dressed men and women arguing politely over legal arcana.
Blood for blood. There should be a mortal fear that if they harm one hair on our heads, something worse will happen to them by far.
Don’t tell me this won’t bring anyone back. Don’t tell me to be better than our enemies. If you will assault someone over their skin color, gender, sexual orientation, you don’t deserve the breath of life.
It’s a social contract thing. Conservatives insist on being granted all of the benefits you get by signing an accord with the rest of us, but then act as though they are exempt from it’s requirements.
As far as I’m concerned, they aren’t covered by the agreement anymore, and should be deprived of any protection offered by it.
The problem with mob justice is lack of due process. It frequency gets the wrong person as it can’t be reasoned with.
The problem with mob justice is that it can be leveraged directly in to fascism. This is exactly what happened with the French Revolution and the Soviet one. In both cases valid anger against oppression was directed in to paranoia that allowed for the reestablishment of an authoritarian order instead of liberation. Anger is foolish and easily manipulated. That’s why it’s the only emotion the right wants anyone to experience. That’s why it’s the only emotion patriarchy allows men to express.
Anger is good for destroying things. Some things need to be destroyed. But those things that need to be destroyed are systems, not people.
Anger is activating and should absolutely drive you to action, but the action you take shouldn’t also be decided by the anger. Let anger wake you up, and compassion guide the action you take.
History repeats itself, at least most of the time. That’s why we should learn from the past because humans haven’t changed that much in the way we think under certain circumstances.
No, I’m sorry, if a person was bullied for a year, that was the time for “due process” to protect them and society by preventing further harm. Now it is too late.
They caused someone to die by their violent actions, I am fully in favor of violent retaliation here, and as I said not looking to be convinced otherwise.
There are some things our society gets right, and some things it gets wrong. Passivity in the face of violence is a mistake IMO.
It’s never too late for justice to be done. Though more of it has to done the later it is left. No one is talking passivity here. Everyone wants something done this time and done sooner next time.
Mob justice is not justice at all.
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Yes it is
Anarchy doesn’t work.
Anarchy was never mentioned.
Yeah, and if you remove justice by due process by installing fascist bigots in all positions of the judicial system, then all you’re left with is mob justice. And we ought to be angry about that too.
Owasso PD spokesperson Nick Boatman told The Independent that police were awaiting the results of toxicology and autopsy reports from the Oklahoma Medical Examiner’s Office before determining whether anyone will be charged.
Ofc cops want a toxicology report on the victim instead of testing the perpetrators.
ACAB
Testing the other kids for what? An overdose of “fight in the girls bathroom” meds? Make some sense.
To be fair, according to the article, the victim collapsed and stopped breathing the day after the altercation, probably leading them to believe they might have taken some substance subs then that could’ve caused this.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to do a toxicology test.
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Doing a tox screen on Nex’s body is reasonable, if only to eliminate a theory a defense attorney would try to argue to a jury. Waiting for the results of that tox screen to decide whether or not a crime took place and start making arrests when we already have plenty of evidence to say that they were assaulted and it’s only unclear whether that assault was the cause of their death is what doesn’t make any sense.
Mind. Blown.
Edit: What did I do to piss this guy off? lol
I just never understood that nursery rhyme before :)
This would infer the hospital missed a brain bleed/concussion/or some other head trauma. There’s also no info about the fight or who started it or anything else, but I’d imagine a toxicology report would be done on any 16 year old that dropped dead for nearly any unknown reason.
You know, sometimes you ACAB people are just as annoying as the bootlickers
Everyone knows being distrustful of authority is the same thing as actively endorsing fascism.
Yes that’s why the saying goes: “Pine for authoritarian strongmen” and not: “Question authority” or some shit.
Nah.
Yes, that’s kind of how an investigation works you dingbat.
Not really, but do go on with your transphobic remarks.
Can you point out what that person said that was transphobic? From the reply it just seems like that they were pointing out that a toxicology report is something that’s fairly routine. What did I miss?
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police methods, as if the environment was “obviously” fair and balanced. He might have not meant it that way, but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police
No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous to insist it must be viewed in that manner. That’s your reductionist view.
He might have not meant it that way,
So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.
but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
Here’s the real issue, you’ve created a litmus test that no one is pure enough to meet. Rather than accepting allies for trans rights, you want to push them away. If they aren’t as reactionary and reductionist as you then they must be the enemy. Truly alarming. You’re the problem, you allow the “moderates” (as you call them), who might otherwise support trans rights to oppose them by pushing them out and calling them transphobic.
It’s pretty common to see transphobes wading into this sort of stuff with the same kind of arguments that racists use about police murdering black people, etc. That support of the system because the system is oppressing a minority they don’t like kind of thing where they turn a blind eye to any context.
I’m not gonna wade into that kind of debate, but to me, the big issue is what I saw somebody else say: that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell and wouldn’t be the first or last time the cops did something like that.
Here’s my issue, when you call someone a transphobe (or racist, or pedophile, etc) when they haven’t actually been transphobic, you water down the meaning. It just becomes a thing you say that lost it’s meaning, rather than the big deal it is.
that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Why would they before they finish investigating? What’s the charge? Simple assault, assault and battery, manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder? If you don’t have all the facts you can’t charge them properly.
Maybe the police have an interest in burying the charges, but if you don’t know that, you shouldn’t claim it. Because the best way to secure a conviction is to thoroughly investigate first, then bring charges once the information has been gathered. Anything else is laying the groundwork for a defense attorney.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell
Ok, agreed. But that hasn’t happened yet. Reacting to something that hasn’t happened just allows other people to ignore you and your concerns about trans rights. I would caution against that approach. If they don’t take action once the info is in, or blame the victim, then you get mad as hell. Best of luck!
Yeah, when I said that I wasn’t gonna wade into the argument, I meant on whether or not they were actually being transphobic, because that one line simply isn’t enough to say what their motivation is.
As for the cops, the issue is that they’re doing a toxicology, but not following up on the assault in any form. They could be investigating that as well while they wait on the report, but they’re actively holding off on doing that.
What part of what they said is transphobic?
OH NOW YOU TOO HUH
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It’s funny, because I literally just left a thread in which I was agreeing with them and then I saw the notification of your comment.
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Lol, cockmongrel
Was gonna upvote, but you really went overboard with the insults there so I had to upvote twice
When did ‘dingbat’ become transphobic?
Has ‘dingbat’ become a new epithet for trans people?
Because it apparently originally was the name of an alcoholic drink and has been used to describe a stupid person since 1905.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/dingbat
Care to tell us where you heard that the word was transphobic?
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That’s unfortunate for the small local music and dive bar near me called dingbatz then…
Maybe it’s named after the printer’s ornament?
If it’s in Clifton, those guys support white power bands 😕
It is… oh boy. I have only been twice since my friend has a metal band that plays there sometimes. I never knew and I doubt he knows that as well since he is definitely not into that either.
Yeah, it’s definitely not as widely-known a thing as it should be. Plenty of perfectly respectable bands play there too, still… but also some Nazis
Impressive amount of downvotes. Troll successful, I guess
If you left out calling them a dingbat your point is exactly the same.
Transphobic shit bags are seeking out stories about Nex and seeing what they can get away with because they know it’s a really good opportunity for them to grind salt into some peoples’ wounds
Once again. Calling people names didn’t reinforce your point. It usually does the opposite. Your anger doesn’t make your point more poignant.
Your politeness doesn’t make you more right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing
https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/
I’m not saying anything other that calling people names doesn’t accomplish anything. I have zero contempt for anyone holding anyone back from who they are. I am literally not on any side and simply pointing out that calling people names does not seem mature and puts people off. If you can’t handle that feedback that is your problem.
Fuck all of these Shitty Republican Christians for killing this child.
I hope every last one of these Republicans get jailed for this murder but we all know that no one will face any actual consequences for this fine example of Shitty Republican Christian love.
The Republicans must read a different Bible or maybe I read it wrong
They read a proper one, but completely ignore the parts they don’t like and twist/exagerate the parts they like.
I wonder how they respond to concerns over them not looking after the environment or the poor/marginalised.
Those are in the part of the Bible that they are ignoring
This has always been the intent.
Direct result of the bathroom laws and other transphobic policies because it emboldens the most fucked up to act out and think they can get away with it (as they probably will)
I can’t imagine – don’t want to imagine losing a child. I had no idea until I had a kid but… Nothing in the universe matters more to me than my kid and I would be destroyed forever if anything ever happened.
To lose a kid (very likely) due to bullying? I can’t imagine the blind rage mixed in with the universe shattering grief.
What sick fucked world do we live in where school bullying turns into violence that turns into death? Just for being different from most? Jesus Christ. These psychopaths should be in jail getting intensive therapy to try to unfuck their twisted minds.
This child could have lived a full life but instead because of fearful, hateful monsters, the kid is dead.
Fuck Oklahoma and fuck this school and the parents of the murderers.
It’s only going to get worse if Trump gets back in power. As if it isn’t bad enough now.
Boy, girl, non binary, whatever WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT?! Mind your own goddamn business and don’t be a fucking evil piece of shit. Let people fucking exist as they are.
This is one of several reasons why I’m (secularly) homeschooling my kids.
What sick fucked world do we live in where school bullying turns into violence that turns into death?
It probably happens more often than you think. Without the nonbinary angle and excuse to invoke bathroom bills this wouldn’t have got nearly the attention that it did. In the US, most bullying related deaths are suicide and a couple hundred thousand kids get physically attacked by fellow students every year in addition (most recent number I’d found was a few years old and around 288k). If you piece together the various statistics, an estimate of around 3500 kids per year dying to bullying-related suicide is probably reasonable. Bullying-related homicide is harder to get a decent number on, but it’s probably significantly lower.
That they can say the autopsy showed CoD was not trauma from the attack but were awaiting toxicology and other ancillary results before naming an official CoD makes me curious if they suspect CoD is overdose and are waiting for results to confirm. I guess we’ll see when the report is finished.
My biggest fear is to outlive my daughter. And since she’s queer (not trans, but queer), I worry about her being assaulted or even killed because of it, especially as people like Trump foster bigotry. Also, one of her closest friends is trans and I’m very worried about him. I know he’s being bullied in school and he already has self-harm issues. Thankfully, his parents support his transition, but he’s still not getting the support he needs and the school makes him use the girls bathroom and locker room. I hope he makes it through school okay. He’s only 12 and he’s already cutting himself, vaping and smoking weed.
I hope he finds the strength to get through this. Besides support from his family and having supportive friends, which no one should take for granted, there’s overcoming the bullying and finally, the hardest of all, the inner conflict. Topple this with puberty’s own ordeal, so everything gets even more confusing. But it’s also the one task, that drops the most loot, if you solve it. There’s nothing more rewarding than feeling inner peace, love yourself and coming of age strong and prosperous.
I do too. So much. I wish I could do something to help him, but I’ve only met him one time. I know the school he’s in is utter shit. We pulled my daughter out and put her in online school because of how much she was bullied. The administration actually made her apologize to her bullies after they doxxed her on Discord and prank called her repeatedly. Fuck that school. If I could get her friend to do online school with her, I’d drive him to my house every day just to keep him away from that shit. I really wish I could.
This would indeed be a solution, what’s deterring him to take the chance?
Doing online school, you mean? I don’t know his parents and I wouldn’t know how to convince them.
Do you think you’d be able to talk to them about it? If his parents are supportive, maybe they’d be receptive to online school too.
I wouldn’t even know how to get in touch with them. My daughter sure wouldn’t give me the details. She’s very closed about that sort of thing. I don’t even know his last name.
How’s protecting those kids by putting them in danger going?
Oh - a kid you wanted to kill us dead - all part of the plan.
These lawmakers are knowingly lying for personal gain, and to kill those they don’t like - including kids. They’re fucking demons, and their supporters are either as bad, or mentally deficient.
These lawmakers are knowingly lying for personal gain
…which obviously includes their so-called reverence for the “sanctity of life”.
The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end. Kind of like fortune cookies.
In this case, radical right speech has an implied “, for the right people.” After all they are not trying to govern equally, but instead prefer a rigidly defined caste system.
reverence for the sanctity of life, for the right people.
The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end.
Of course we couldn’t rely on them to do it because that would be saying the quiet part out loud.
@return2ozma Conservatives see this and applaud. This makes them happy. It puts a smile on their faces, but then they’ll turn around and argue online that it’s not about blind hate. They all know, deep down, that they’re evil pieces of shit. They DO KNOW and perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to half convince themselves otherwise.
Every time they see the evil they’re doing in the world this hypocritical dichotomy churns in their brains, and I hope on their deathbed they’re consumed by it.
Yeah seriously. I thought they were pro life…?
Not pro-life, but anti-choice.
You’ll notice this trend continues beyond the topic of women’s health.
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The majority might not celebrate this murder directly, but support for the Republican party in the US is implicit support for dehumanization of trans people which inspires these murders. The policies and rhetoric used by the mainstream right-wing are responsible for this death.
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It’s the truth.
History will remember them the way we remember the racists who upheld Jim Crow in the American south.
Assuming that there will be history of course.
Conservative thinking killed this beautiful child. Every conservative is to blame.
Does this logic apply to crimes committed by immigrants?
“Immigrant thinking killed this beautiful child. Every immigrant is to blame.”
Hmmmm, I’m not sure what immigrant ideology is, or where all the oppressive legislation that immigrants passed is, but I’m sure you can find a way to scapegoat people you hate.
You know the drill, just keep asking more and more absurd questions with confidence, and when someone says you are driving people to a hateful conclusion with loaded questions, you can just say “what, I can’t ask questions anymore? What happened to free speech?”
If you make more stuff up, you can’t paint me as Hitler
???
Immigrants don’t as a group do everything in their political power to fuck people over…
Republicans and Conservatives do.
I think we should try to answer this rather than just down voting. I think the difference is that conservative thinking led to the policy that led to the person being targeted, and possibly also to a climate of intolerance that made the attacker/s feel like they had the support of the community to do that. We’re not really talking about who is too blame for this individual instance (obviously that’s the person/s who manslaughtered this child). We’re talking bigger picture.
When an immigrant commits a crime, I suppose you would argue that liberal thinking created the situation where that could happen, but I think it’s a false equivalence. Big picture immigrants don’t disproportionately commit crime, and there are major benefits that come with immigration. While trans people absolutely are disproportionately the victims of violence, and there are no real benefits to transphobic policies.
I guess I haven’t done great at this, please other people build on this reply, it just felt wrong to see a fair enough question just being downvoted with no reply.
Just a troll, downvote and move on
I mean that was possibly their intention, but nevertheless I think it is a reasonable question to ask, and I found it difficult to answer comprehensively.
If we dismiss everything like this as troll, and not worth thinking about, we miss an opportunity to develop point of view and add nuance to our arguments.
Pro-life, until they arent what expected, then fuck those people. The conservative religious are very hateful.
Hey now, they don’t care about em after they’re born! Especially it they are poor or not Christian & white enough.
This is so fucking sad
But for the creator of The Libs of Tiktok, it’s a day to celebrate 🥂
I think this is a direct effect of Trump’s behavior. It is ok now to openly celebrate the death of a teen. Also ok to openly follow someone who does this. There are so many people going confidently “yeah, i grab 'em by the pussy, so what?”, it’s really sickening.
No, it is not.
Trump’s behavior and by extension theirs is the result of liberals not taking this shit seriously
Yes, also.
They didn’t take it seriously, generally took too long to respond and when they responded, there were already 10 new things ( that were worse ) that had to be addressed.
In case everyone wasn’t aware, Ryan Walters hired Chaya/Libs of TikTok to check our libraries.
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Her name is Chaya Raichik and I’d prefer to call her by her name than her shitty internet bsname
And people know where she lives. They should do something about it
1: This whole system is ripe for honeypots
2: Do it yourself, pussy.
I’m not in her area, and all the doormat pussies say “do it yourself”.
Oh, assassinated a fascist in your neighborhood, have you?
Feel free to brag about it here.
Sorry bro, not as clever as you think you are
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Should have been a Destiny fan, then this wouldn’t have happened. /s
They were 16, people that beat them up were “older girls”. Surely they will charge them as adults right?
I think the system is going to suddenly find a lot of excuses not to do that. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if the police suddenly decided they had no place enforcing adult laws in school and saying this is a learning moment…
I think the system is going to suddenly find a lot of excuses not to do that.
I mean, they’re young girls and probably white so the justice system is going to do everything it can to avoid holding them accountable before you even get to it being a nonbinary victim in a red state. Even if they’re charged and convicted as adults I’d be shocked if they get worse than probation and maybe a suspended sentence at worst. Names withheld by media, of course.
Nah they will just claim religious persecution and “it will ruin their life” throw in them “fearing for their safety” being the right race and gender. At most they are looking at community service.
