This was always the plan!
Absolutely gross, disgusting, evil, impossible to reason with.
Unrelated: what kind of name is “Nex”?
What kind of names are Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Judas, Jesus? They are all just the sound of meat flapping around.
What kind of names are Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Judas, Jesus?
Historically established names which the populous, in near unanimity, decided are good and worth reusing. Call me old fashioned if you want, but I’d rather see yet another John than someone named mr. mxyzptlk
Direct result of the bathroom laws and other transphobic policies because it emboldens the most fucked up to act out and think they can get away with it (as they probably will)
Pro-life, until they arent what expected, then fuck those people. The conservative religious are very hateful.
Hey now, they don’t care about em after they’re born! Especially it they are poor or not Christian & white enough.
This has always been the intent.
Conservatism is a plague of oppression, violence and death. It always has been. There is no place in a modern society for conservatism.
When you see your conservative neighbors, co-workers and relatives, remember they killed this innocent child. They did this.
“Owasso police issued a subsequent statement on 21 February to say that an autopsy indicated that Nex had not died as a result of trauma.” STFU
Ah yes. The totally normal spontaneous death of a 16 year old completely unrelated to the physical trauma suffered just before. You conservative apologists are always so fast to jump to conspiracy, why not now?
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Mostly I wanted to tell you drama queen fucks to stfu bout blaming half a nation.
Not even close to half lmao
Enjoy the next Trump presidency.
literally hoping for a rapist insurrectionist to be president
Reactionaries be wildin
Do you understand anything people say to you or do you just twist the meaning and play dumb to score points in your own head?
Reminds me of a bit from a web serial called Pale:
“I was in my rights to weaken him.”
“You shot the man in the head, you said,” Musser replied.
“It left him very weak, yes. He died shortly after.”
I’m not going to aggressively confront my simple conservative acquaintances as if they themselves did this, but I do think it’s a moral obligation to root out and identify why our acquaintances support a regressive, fearful, and hateful brand of politics. Like any sale made, it has to be the customer’s choice, or at least the illusion of choice. You’ll never convert anyone to a more Leftist brand of looking at the world if your ideology seems aggressive or unhinged. We’re trying to make conservatism look less ideal than leftism.
Ancient Roman Conservatives (Optimates, cause of course) “Look when you lift their skirts, you find a Populare (Democrat). We need to bring back traditional values!”
Since the days of yore, always about traditional fucking values.
And like now they aren’t. It’s a factionalized past constructed by the traditionalists.
So true. There must be no forgiveness, no tolerance, no acceptance. Conservatives must be purged from this planet. This is the ONLY way forward, if we want a society that is good for everybody.
That is not at all what they are saying.
So? That’s what I am saying. What are they saying in your opinion? To silently seethe at the conservatives while not doing anything?
You are mocking a call to violence in which there is none. They’re saying conservatism (the belief, the ideology) needs to die.
Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.
You are being entirely idealistic. You are saying things that sound nice to you without considering how realistic they are.
You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.
At some level you even realize this.
Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.
This means attacking the people. You are talking about making conservatives social pariahs, having them lose their livelihoods and power.
So yes, destroy conservatism, but if you don’t have the stomach to do everything that simple statement entails, get out of my way.
You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.
Quit your bullshit. Dunking on shitty beliefs does not equate to killing or hurting people like you were suggesting.
This means attacking the people.
Good job moving the goal posts. First it was purging. Now it’s being made out to be social pariahs. Pick one, and quit equating scorn with violence.
No one hasn’t mentioned violence except you. The word “attack” can mean many things.
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A few weeks ago, on 7 February, the bullying allegedly erupted in violence when Nex suffered severe head injuries during a “physical altercation” at Owasso High School, according to the Owasso Police Department.
Sue Benedict told The Independent she was called to the school that day to find Nex badly beaten with bruises over their face and eyes, and with scratches on the back of their head.
Nex told her that they and another transgender student at Owasso High School had been in a fight with three older girls in a girls bathroom. Nex was knocked to the ground during the fight and hit their head on the floor, according to their mother.
Ms Benedict said she was furious that the school had failed to call an ambulance or the police. She said the school then informed her Nex was being suspended for two weeks.
She took Nex to the Bailey Medical Center in Owasso for treatment. They spoke to a police school resource officer at the medical facility and were discharged.
That night, Nex went to bed with a sore head and eventually fell asleep while listening to music, Ms Benedict said.
On the afternoon of 8 February, Nex was getting ready to go to Tulsa with Ms Benedict for an appointment when they collapsed in the family living room.
Ms Benedict called an ambulance, and Owasso Fire Department medics arrived to find Nex had stopped breathing. Nex was taken to the St. Francis Pediatric Emergency Room where they were later declared dead.
This child’s blood is on their hands. Not just the kids who did the physical beating, but also the conservatives who set up a culture where this is acceptable.
Try to join the rest of us in reality when you can.
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Yes we should encourage a culture where those who freely express themselves are not celebrated. Everyone should keep their heads down and do what society wants. No one is special. /s
You must be real fun to talk to. What if instead of expressing gender identity, it was expressing Christianity or political alignments that resulted in this?
I’m not American and I’m not LGBTQI+. I’m just a person who believes in basic human rights and wants people to care for each other. But apparently I’m out of sync with reality
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I’m saying it shouldn’t be but it is
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Not only is that not true, people have been coming out since humans existed, it’s also wrong. You’re confusing sexual identity with gender identity.
Regardless, all you are doing is victim blaming. Nobody should get beaten to death for how they express themselves. This is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of the beatings for people society deems weird.
You may very well argue that something is wrong that when it has consequences, but that argument doesn’t yet remove the consequences.
The consequences for self expression should not be death, much less vigilante beatings that result in death. And your appathy is frankly disgusting, and a part of the problem.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Ah, yes, I remember 20 years ago, where no one asserted their sexual identity, neither cis heterosexual men nor cis heterosexual women did hold hands nor did kiss their partners nor did host large feasts to celebrate their marriages, where neither the groom nor the bride wore specific clothes socially assigned to their gender. No one did this and you could certainly never see it, anywhere.
Listen, I’m a cis straight guy, I just want everyone to enjoy the same freedoms and respect, and some assholes are really keen on not letting some specific people have them.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Instead of someone being beaten to death because of their gender identity, they would beat someone to death because they are gay, or suspected of being gay.
History rhymes.Trans people are a part of the LGBTQ+, so this is nothing new. It’s just a continuation or a long history of violence against the LGBTQ+
So your stance is essentially: “queerphobic culture exists therefore queer people should hide to be safe”?
Rather than question the legitimacy or merits of transphobia and fascism, you are placing the burden on the marginalized members to hide and just accept the unjust status quo. Just because something is the status quo does not make it right and it doesn’t make it immutable.
No one is arguing about the existence of consequences. The consequences of hate are painfully clear to everyone. We are saying instead that there ought not to be deadly consequences for being different. It’s unjust.
By your logic, African Americans should have just stayed in the back of the bus and in separate facilities. After all, they got sprayed with firehouses and killed for seeking equal treatment. Consequences amiright? Similarly, American colonists should have just bent the knee because England sent literal armies when they dared to declare independence. Oh well, they should have been aware of the consequences.
Transphobia and fascism isn’t natural law. It can and should be fought. “Aw man that’s just the way it is” is apologetic and defeatist at best.
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Then we agree that children shouldn’t have to fight these battles. Unfortunately, the “adults” in Oklahoma and many other states are either failing them or actively participating in their persecution.
I assume you’re a grown-ass person like me. It is my job and your job to make this a safer world for people like Nex. Until then, they are indeed fending for themselves. I vote for the least-bad candidates, contact my representatives frequently, and give to charities who help queer people; admittedly I need to do more. The relevant question isn’t what Nex should have done; they died for being. The question is what can you do such that people like Nex don’t have to fight hate groups alone?
I voted for Biden and this still happened. Voting literally didn’t help.
They were 16, people that beat them up were “older girls”. Surely they will charge them as adults right?
I think the system is going to suddenly find a lot of excuses not to do that. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if the police suddenly decided they had no place enforcing adult laws in school and saying this is a learning moment…
I think the system is going to suddenly find a lot of excuses not to do that.
I mean, they’re young girls and probably white so the justice system is going to do everything it can to avoid holding them accountable before you even get to it being a nonbinary victim in a red state. Even if they’re charged and convicted as adults I’d be shocked if they get worse than probation and maybe a suspended sentence at worst. Names withheld by media, of course.
Nah they will just claim religious persecution and “it will ruin their life” throw in them “fearing for their safety” being the right race and gender. At most they are looking at community service.
Owasso PD spokesperson Nick Boatman told The Independent that police were awaiting the results of toxicology and autopsy reports from the Oklahoma Medical Examiner’s Office before determining whether anyone will be charged.
Ofc cops want a toxicology report on the victim instead of testing the perpetrators.
ACAB
You know, sometimes you ACAB people are just as annoying as the bootlickers
Nah.
Everyone knows being distrustful of authority is the same thing as actively endorsing fascism.
Yes that’s why the saying goes: “Pine for authoritarian strongmen” and not: “Question authority” or some shit.
Yes, that’s kind of how an investigation works you dingbat.
Not really, but do go on with your transphobic remarks.
When did ‘dingbat’ become transphobic?
Has ‘dingbat’ become a new epithet for trans people?
Because it apparently originally was the name of an alcoholic drink and has been used to describe a stupid person since 1905.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/dingbat
Care to tell us where you heard that the word was transphobic?
That’s unfortunate for the small local music and dive bar near me called dingbatz then…
Maybe it’s named after the printer’s ornament?
If it’s in Clifton, those guys support white power bands 😕
It is… oh boy. I have only been twice since my friend has a metal band that plays there sometimes. I never knew and I doubt he knows that as well since he is definitely not into that either.
Yeah, it’s definitely not as widely-known a thing as it should be. Plenty of perfectly respectable bands play there too, still… but also some Nazis
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Was gonna upvote, but you really went overboard with the insults there so I had to upvote twice
Lol, cockmongrel
Can you point out what that person said that was transphobic? From the reply it just seems like that they were pointing out that a toxicology report is something that’s fairly routine. What did I miss?
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police methods, as if the environment was “obviously” fair and balanced. He might have not meant it that way, but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police
No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous to insist it must be viewed in that manner. That’s your reductionist view.
He might have not meant it that way,
So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.
but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
Here’s the real issue, you’ve created a litmus test that no one is pure enough to meet. Rather than accepting allies for trans rights, you want to push them away. If they aren’t as reactionary and reductionist as you then they must be the enemy. Truly alarming. You’re the problem, you allow the “moderates” (as you call them), who might otherwise support trans rights to oppose them by pushing them out and calling them transphobic.
It’s pretty common to see transphobes wading into this sort of stuff with the same kind of arguments that racists use about police murdering black people, etc. That support of the system because the system is oppressing a minority they don’t like kind of thing where they turn a blind eye to any context.
I’m not gonna wade into that kind of debate, but to me, the big issue is what I saw somebody else say: that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell and wouldn’t be the first or last time the cops did something like that.
Here’s my issue, when you call someone a transphobe (or racist, or pedophile, etc) when they haven’t actually been transphobic, you water down the meaning. It just becomes a thing you say that lost it’s meaning, rather than the big deal it is.
that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Why would they before they finish investigating? What’s the charge? Simple assault, assault and battery, manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder? If you don’t have all the facts you can’t charge them properly.
Maybe the police have an interest in burying the charges, but if you don’t know that, you shouldn’t claim it. Because the best way to secure a conviction is to thoroughly investigate first, then bring charges once the information has been gathered. Anything else is laying the groundwork for a defense attorney.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell
Ok, agreed. But that hasn’t happened yet. Reacting to something that hasn’t happened just allows other people to ignore you and your concerns about trans rights. I would caution against that approach. If they don’t take action once the info is in, or blame the victim, then you get mad as hell. Best of luck!
Yeah, when I said that I wasn’t gonna wade into the argument, I meant on whether or not they were actually being transphobic, because that one line simply isn’t enough to say what their motivation is.
As for the cops, the issue is that they’re doing a toxicology, but not following up on the assault in any form. They could be investigating that as well while they wait on the report, but they’re actively holding off on doing that.
What part of what they said is transphobic?
OH NOW YOU TOO HUH
/s
It’s funny, because I literally just left a thread in which I was agreeing with them and then I saw the notification of your comment.
Impressive amount of downvotes. Troll successful, I guess
If you left out calling them a dingbat your point is exactly the same.
Transphobic shit bags are seeking out stories about Nex and seeing what they can get away with because they know it’s a really good opportunity for them to grind salt into some peoples’ wounds
Once again. Calling people names didn’t reinforce your point. It usually does the opposite. Your anger doesn’t make your point more poignant.
Your politeness doesn’t make you more right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing
https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/
I’m not saying anything other that calling people names doesn’t accomplish anything. I have zero contempt for anyone holding anyone back from who they are. I am literally not on any side and simply pointing out that calling people names does not seem mature and puts people off. If you can’t handle that feedback that is your problem.
To be fair, according to the article, the victim collapsed and stopped breathing the day after the altercation, probably leading them to believe they might have taken some substance subs then that could’ve caused this.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to do a toxicology test.
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Mind. Blown.
Edit: What did I do to piss this guy off? lol
I just never understood that nursery rhyme before :)
Doing a tox screen on Nex’s body is reasonable, if only to eliminate a theory a defense attorney would try to argue to a jury. Waiting for the results of that tox screen to decide whether or not a crime took place and start making arrests when we already have plenty of evidence to say that they were assaulted and it’s only unclear whether that assault was the cause of their death is what doesn’t make any sense.
This would infer the hospital missed a brain bleed/concussion/or some other head trauma. There’s also no info about the fight or who started it or anything else, but I’d imagine a toxicology report would be done on any 16 year old that dropped dead for nearly any unknown reason.
Testing the other kids for what? An overdose of “fight in the girls bathroom” meds? Make some sense.
Should have been a Destiny fan, then this wouldn’t have happened. /s
I can’t imagine – don’t want to imagine losing a child. I had no idea until I had a kid but… Nothing in the universe matters more to me than my kid and I would be destroyed forever if anything ever happened.
To lose a kid (very likely) due to bullying? I can’t imagine the blind rage mixed in with the universe shattering grief.
What sick fucked world do we live in where school bullying turns into violence that turns into death? Just for being different from most? Jesus Christ. These psychopaths should be in jail getting intensive therapy to try to unfuck their twisted minds.
This child could have lived a full life but instead because of fearful, hateful monsters, the kid is dead.
Fuck Oklahoma and fuck this school and the parents of the murderers.
It’s only going to get worse if Trump gets back in power. As if it isn’t bad enough now.
Boy, girl, non binary, whatever WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT?! Mind your own goddamn business and don’t be a fucking evil piece of shit. Let people fucking exist as they are.
What sick fucked world do we live in where school bullying turns into violence that turns into death?
It probably happens more often than you think. Without the nonbinary angle and excuse to invoke bathroom bills this wouldn’t have got nearly the attention that it did. In the US, most bullying related deaths are suicide and a couple hundred thousand kids get physically attacked by fellow students every year in addition (most recent number I’d found was a few years old and around 288k). If you piece together the various statistics, an estimate of around 3500 kids per year dying to bullying-related suicide is probably reasonable. Bullying-related homicide is harder to get a decent number on, but it’s probably significantly lower.
That they can say the autopsy showed CoD was not trauma from the attack but were awaiting toxicology and other ancillary results before naming an official CoD makes me curious if they suspect CoD is overdose and are waiting for results to confirm. I guess we’ll see when the report is finished.
This is one of several reasons why I’m (secularly) homeschooling my kids.
My biggest fear is to outlive my daughter. And since she’s queer (not trans, but queer), I worry about her being assaulted or even killed because of it, especially as people like Trump foster bigotry. Also, one of her closest friends is trans and I’m very worried about him. I know he’s being bullied in school and he already has self-harm issues. Thankfully, his parents support his transition, but he’s still not getting the support he needs and the school makes him use the girls bathroom and locker room. I hope he makes it through school okay. He’s only 12 and he’s already cutting himself, vaping and smoking weed.
I hope he finds the strength to get through this. Besides support from his family and having supportive friends, which no one should take for granted, there’s overcoming the bullying and finally, the hardest of all, the inner conflict. Topple this with puberty’s own ordeal, so everything gets even more confusing. But it’s also the one task, that drops the most loot, if you solve it. There’s nothing more rewarding than feeling inner peace, love yourself and coming of age strong and prosperous.
I do too. So much. I wish I could do something to help him, but I’ve only met him one time. I know the school he’s in is utter shit. We pulled my daughter out and put her in online school because of how much she was bullied. The administration actually made her apologize to her bullies after they doxxed her on Discord and prank called her repeatedly. Fuck that school. If I could get her friend to do online school with her, I’d drive him to my house every day just to keep him away from that shit. I really wish I could.
This would indeed be a solution, what’s deterring him to take the chance?
Doing online school, you mean? I don’t know his parents and I wouldn’t know how to convince them.
Do you think you’d be able to talk to them about it? If his parents are supportive, maybe they’d be receptive to online school too.
I wouldn’t even know how to get in touch with them. My daughter sure wouldn’t give me the details. She’s very closed about that sort of thing. I don’t even know his last name.
Just saw this morning that the police are saying the death was not caused by injuries from the fight.
Just fyi, the new york post is as dogshit as fox news. If you’re looking to get actual information, you’re better off looking elsewhere.
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I wasn’t commenting on that, just that the new york post means nothing. Regardless, I frankly don’t give a shit what the police say; they’re not exactly known for telling the truth.
Right, it’s easy to just make up your mind about something (with no evidence), when everyone who is telling you otherwise can be labeled as nazis, pigs, murderers, or whatever the Current Thing happens to be 🤭
Right, it’s easy to just make up your mind about something (with no evidence)
“I don’t trust X” != “I’ve made up my mind”
What have you not made up your mind about?
I’m am not /u/HandBreadedTools. Go ask them.
Let’s say the kid offed themself. Are we really going to pretend that the continued bullying and the school’s inaction would have had nothing to do with that?
@return2ozma Conservatives see this and applaud. This makes them happy. It puts a smile on their faces, but then they’ll turn around and argue online that it’s not about blind hate. They all know, deep down, that they’re evil pieces of shit. They DO KNOW and perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to half convince themselves otherwise.
Every time they see the evil they’re doing in the world this hypocritical dichotomy churns in their brains, and I hope on their deathbed they’re consumed by it.
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The majority might not celebrate this murder directly, but support for the Republican party in the US is implicit support for dehumanization of trans people which inspires these murders. The policies and rhetoric used by the mainstream right-wing are responsible for this death.
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It’s the truth.
History will remember them the way we remember the racists who upheld Jim Crow in the American south.
Assuming that there will be history of course.
Yeah seriously. I thought they were pro life…?
Not pro-life, but anti-choice.
You’ll notice this trend continues beyond the topic of women’s health.
It is very disgusting to see.
Fuck all of these Shitty Republican Christians for killing this child.
I hope every last one of these Republicans get jailed for this murder but we all know that no one will face any actual consequences for this fine example of Shitty Republican Christian love.
The Republicans must read a different Bible or maybe I read it wrong
They read a proper one, but completely ignore the parts they don’t like and twist/exagerate the parts they like.
I wonder how they respond to concerns over them not looking after the environment or the poor/marginalised.
Those are in the part of the Bible that they are ignoring
How’s protecting those kids by putting them in danger going?
Oh - a kid you wanted to kill us dead - all part of the plan.
These lawmakers are knowingly lying for personal gain, and to kill those they don’t like - including kids. They’re fucking demons, and their supporters are either as bad, or mentally deficient.
These lawmakers are knowingly lying for personal gain
…which obviously includes their so-called reverence for the “sanctity of life”.
The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end. Kind of like fortune cookies.
In this case, radical right speech has an implied “, for the right people.” After all they are not trying to govern equally, but instead prefer a rigidly defined caste system.
reverence for the sanctity of life, for the right people.
The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end.
Of course we couldn’t rely on them to do it because that would be saying the quiet part out loud.
