• @Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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    551 year ago

    Meanwhile I’m here thinking it would be nice if the whole world was made up of countries of that size with a global alliance that will fuck up any country that starts getting all imperialistic.

    • @xenoclast@lemmy.world
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      71 year ago

      Pretty sure Americans are gonna do that soon. Then we can convince MAGAland to pay to build a wall around itself

    • Match!!
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      301 year ago

      “the circled region needs more countries. please break up the big ones”

    • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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      21 year ago

      Seems like that would be hard to regulate things like pollution, since there isn’t really effective treaty enforcement. Unless we give someone like the UN binding authority on global things like that and enforcement ability.

  • @Gabu@lemmy.ml
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    131 year ago

    They’re not entirely wrong… Quite a bit of the division comes from pre-modern events and decisions.

  • TimeSquirrel
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    As an older Millennial, I keep thinking Yugoslavia still exists. And the US 9/11 attacks happened last year.

    • @RecallMadness@lemmy.nz
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      51 year ago

      I’m reminded I had a classmate who was Yugoslavian.

      At the time I had no idea what was going on in the world at the time.

      • topher
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        51 year ago

        It’s because of the crappy colour grading they do to merge shot footage with cgi effects. Jurassic Park holds up because it’s from an era of cinema where they didn’t do that grungy Blue-grey shit.

        • @LittleBorat2@lemmy.ml
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          Blue grey shit is early-mid 2000 for me. Some stuff from that era is hard to watch. The lower the budget the worse.

          Im a bit blind about the colors they exaggerate today but I am sure they are doing something like that.

    • I recently watched ‘robot dreams’ good animation movie from 2023, setting is 90’s new york. It was so strage seeing the twin towers in the background during the entire movie. But then i realized the new generation has no first hand 9/11 experience and would probably dont even notice.

      • @Mossheart@lemmy.ca
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        31 year ago

        That just hit me in the olds. Kids today are grown ups that can drink in America and it was after 9/11

  • I’m sure they had no idea what they were doing when they randomly circled the Balkans and presupposed that there was no problem with their proposal.

  • M68040 [they/them]
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    81 year ago

    In terms of geography, My secret weakness is how often I confuse Slovenia and Slovakia, solely because they share most of the letters in their name.

    (I also have a similar problem with Armenia and Albania. Within the US, Mississippi and Missouri used to give me a lot of trouble when I was younger, too.)

    • huf [he/him]
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      31 year ago

      having grown up between slovenia and slovakia, i cant imagine mixing them up. they have such different vibes… :D

      but yeah, i used to mix up liechtenstein and luxembourg…

  • Rozaŭtuno
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    581 year ago

    Yugoslavia 2 isn’t on my 2024 bingo card, but if they make the flag look cool…

  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]
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    191 year ago

    I am a bit bothered by how the modern borders of Croatia seem like they are designed just to prevent Bosnia and Hercegovina from having a coast. I get that you can have a thin country, but they are really pushing it. Give them one beach!

    • huf [he/him]
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      croatia was already funny shaped when it was in personal union with the kingdom of hungary. that’s the upper half of modern croatia. most of the lower thin bit was dalmatia, which was also historically inhabited by croats and unified with (a newly independent) croatia immediately after ww1.

      so while yeah, it looks like the west meddled to deny serbia access to the sea, i dunno how true that is. the region really was mostly croats and some italians, i think…

      i could much more easily believe that montenegro was the result of such meddling

    • Lad
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      51 year ago

      Genocide in Eastern Europe? Never! Never I tell you!

        • @0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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          Hey, I never said he was a saint. Plus this was pre WWII, partisans were already being recruited and yes, they hated Germans… because Gremans hated Slavs. You know what the Nazi plan was? One, eliminate Jews, two, eliminate gypsies, three, elimites slavs. We were on the elimination list, no doubt there. Just because we weren’t immidiately exterminated doesn’t mean our turn wouldn’t have came after the Nazis were done with the previous two on the list. You know how many slavs died in labour camps, doing Nazi bidding? My guess is, Tito did this to try and scare the Nazis away from the Balkans… can’t say for certain, but I do know that he was the leader of a federation with over 6 different nations in it, he never once showed pereference or hate for one or another. Sure, things needed to be balanced, so sometimes one came first, others second, third, etc., but in general, he really did try and treat everyone as equal.

            • @0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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              Sorry, I meant after the end… got mixed up (it was late).

              Dude, this wasn’t before WWII, this was after the end of the war. Around 175,000 people whose families had lived there for a couple hundred years and spoke German for historical reasons were ethnically cleansed from Yugoslavia.

              Hm, wonder why someone who spoke German on a teritory occupied by the Germans during WWII would be cleansed from that place 🤔…

              A few hundred thousand people had to flee the country and walk to Germany or otherwise make their way to places like North America.

              People hated Germans after WWII. My guess is, he was just trying to keep a clean slate, not let history repeat itself. There was enough bloodshed on the Balkans, it’s time for piece… and people speaking German RIGHT AFTER WWII in a place you’re trying to make into a federation and let everyone live in piece… yeah, I kinda get his reasoning.

              Sure Tito wasn’t Hitler, but he definitely walked in his footsteps.

              You didn’t live here, you have no idea how things were. It was nice, people had piece… not just bought piece, it was the true meaning of the word, something that hasn’t happened in centuries here. Agreed, that has to come at a cost, but the US does it every day and they rarely get backlash for it.

              Sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. It’s that simple. This is true in any society. People that don’t agree with that society’s leaders and strategies can make problems for them. Why make their lives harder.

            • Anyone that busts Stalin’s balls that hard can be forgiven those rookie cleansing numbers. (/S)

              Shit, Israel beat it by a factor of ten in just three months. (No /s)

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                Some people were very cross with him for turning his back on Stalin and centering with the US. But, regardless, he needed them to run the country… so, he decided not to change the name of the party to “socialist” to get on the good side of the Stallinists in Yugoslavia. This was planned, but it was never done. The name stayed KPJ (Communist Party of Yugoslavia).

                My point is, sacraficies have to be made for the greater good. Sometimes that means doing horrible things to others. Is that justified? Depends how you look at things… if killing a few thousand people will save you from having an actual war with hundreds of thousands of casualties… the choice is tough, but it has to be done. Tito knew this and he wasn’t proud of what he did, but he knew it had to be done. Same goes for Goli Otok and other nationalists that were killed on his watch. Yes, it’s not pretty, but it has to he done… to keep the piece.

                You have to understand, the Balkans haven’t seen piece in centuries, there was always turmoil here. And then shows up a guy that promises piece, equality and ruling of the people… and he actually did just that! Not just on paper, there was piece! Yes, I do agree that that comes at a price. Would I make the same choices if, let’s say, I was in charge and that could avoid the war in Bosnia? Yes, I most defintely would. I won’t be proud of it and will probably try to forget it ever happend (so I could keep on living… otherwise, I’d probably commit suicide), but yes, I’d do it.

    • chtk
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      1061 year ago

      merge and commit

      Are we talking fast-forward or squash merges?