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I’d never thought that the protest would lay this long. Not a step back!
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For for how much heavy handed their initial reaction was, I’m surprised that Reddit doesn’t take more aggressive actions. Spez has the loudest voice on highest pole, yet so far he only managed to anger everyone.
Fuck Spez.
I’m not sure they can. What can they do? I doubt they’ll replace moderators with paid Reddit workers. The alternative is to replace them with other power hungry moderators who will bend a knee to the Reddit admins. That might work on some major subreddits but the PR of that might cause more damage.
I think the admins hoped it would have blown over by now. If it’s still going on by September I bet they’ll need to do something.
And the problem is that people who are power hungry and only doing it to scratch that itch can’t be trusted to maintain a valuable community. That’s not the type of people they are.
And people who create the content are moving to other platforms. I’ve deleted all of my reddit links and apps to reduce the likeyhood I’ll stumble across a reddit post. Also starting to take some of my better reddit posts and edit them to remove any valuable content, and post on Lemmy instead.
Question: can lemmy content be found in a Google search?
Google is at it with indexing. You can also use: https://fedi-search.com/ https://www.search-lemmy.com/
I haven’t really tried them out for real tho. I think the search in lemmy works pretty well especially in instances like world because they are connected to so many communities. But you are maybe a lot more advanced with your searches
It can be easily concluded from his AMA that he is a fool. Big mouth with small brain.
And he was a mod for a very disgusting sub back when it was active.
Although I dislike him as much as anyone, I read that in the early days you could add users as mods without the need for users to accept.
He was supposedly posting on the sub as well. Plus you can remove yourself as a mod, especially if you’re an admin.
Funny that no matter how many times you see this rumour, no one has a source
Ah, yeah that makes things even worse. Jesus Christ, us sheep of reddit that hailed him when he took over as ceo after that woman who’s name I don’t remember.
Ellen Pao?
Yeah, that’s the one.
What sub was that?
Jailbait. There’s a bit more to the story though…mod invites were auto-approved at the time. But he seemingly embraced it, even if he didn’t directly acknowledge it.
“Seemingly”? He sent a physical Reddit trophy to the lead perv of that sub and bragged about it in different subs (along with other mods), and that doesn’t even begin to touch on the barely-veiled alts he was known to use in that sub and elsewhere to circumvent rules, alter votes, and massage narratives. The guy’s a festering moron with a mic.
source: OG Redditor who stood up to that clique back when.
Thanks, I had forgotten the details.
Kind of wonder if this adds any merit to the /u/maxwellhill conspiracy.
And what is that?
I wish more of the larger subs were still protesting and didn’t roll over so easily. But regardless the site has taken a massive hit to its reputation and one can only hope that recovery won’t be possible moving forward and it screws them out of their chance to go public.
LOL… Who would buy into their IPO now? There’s a HUGE risk of this going to zero.
I think we’re going to see a figurehead change before the IPO if things continue this way. Spiz will “step down” (he’ll probably be bought out, which might be what he’s angling for at this point, talking about wanting to emulate Elon? The most obvious and egregious example of massively and publicly fucking up a social media site??) and the company will put out a statement of “changing course,” basically just muddying the waters about what’s actually happening (while most likely nothing will actually change), say that they’re going to try to fix this fiasco.
It would kill the protests. And that way they can either run out the clock and settle things down before the IPO, or they can put out some vague change that would figuratively make the API more accessible/affordable. But nothing would actually change in the latter scenario, they’d just make a lot of noise about being reasonable while not actually changing anything. Their value could inflate again, protests are quelled due to loss of momentum/loss of popularity, pizzle gets a golden parachute, the company goes public and banks, VCs roll in piles of money, etc. etc.
And the IPO itself is a bad sign no matter who’s in charge. It means the company will be shareholder-driven, and so aiming for maximum profit (or just straight up not operating at a loss to start with). Line must always go up, so when things start to stagnate, or they reach saturation, more and more bold anti-consumer decisions will be made to extract higher profits. See Netflix and their crackdown on password-sharing.
It may not happen straight away, but it will eventually.
Perhaps my opinions are different from others but I feel like these websites are forgetting that they’re an optional part of people’s lives. There are plenty of things I can spend my time on besides reddit and YouTube, and Netflix is forgetting that it’s marginally more convenient than piracy.
Considering Plexshares exist, the margin is really only taking the 30 mins to set things up while having a library 5 times as big for half the price.
I think most of the larger ones were forced to reopen by the admins
Admin was kicking mods that didn’t approve. Absolutely forced to reopen.
The thing is, Reddit doesn’t allow subs to run unmoderated, so IIRC there were instances where they’d kick out the moderators for not re-opening and then have to close the sub again for being unmoderated.
Is Reddit going to tell itself it’s being bad?
They are already finding scabs to come in and moderate. The quality will be shitty but they don’t care.
I’d love to volunteer as a scab. Problem is, what’s stopping me from running any given subreddit in a way that destroys the community further, like arbitrarily removing posts or banning users while simultaneously allowing clear spam/bots/scams to persist?
The quality started out shitty on some subs. Fuck spez, but he’s not completely wrong about the mods. Some are people who never have and never will have more power in their lives and it goes right to their brain. Where he’s completely wrong is blaming this situation on the mods when they are just the group of users who can frustrate him the most. I bet he thought he could throw the mods under the bus because they were already generally unpopular (though some subs were bad and others were fine) before all of this.
Something nice about the fediverse is that instances can be dedicated to mod evaluation. They don’t have to honour deletion requests; they could specifically highlight them instead to see what kind of posts specific mods are suppressing. Hopefully that can be used to check their power and reduce how much of it goes to their heads.
r/interestingasfuck has been without mods for 2 weeks now. It’s just so idiotic. They remove all the mods and then… don’t replace them? Now there hasn’t been a post in 2 weeks on a sub with 11+mil members.
I wonder if they just forgot about that particular sub?
Maybe it’s to make an example of them? Let the zombie subreddits stand as an example of “This is what happens when you cross the admins.”
I guess it’s possible, but what good would that do reddit? That’s millions people who aren’t going to be browsing that subreddit anymore, and presumably at least some of them aren’t using any ad blockers, so they’d be losing revenue…
I’m honestly not sure. Reddit’s decision making here has been so stupid I’m just guessing their motivations.
Give it 3 months and it’s all forgotten about. New users won’t know the difference.
The difference is right here, all of us being here instead of there.
Part of me, and I think everyone else here, wants some level of vindication in the form of Reddit taking a hit. Likely most of the current users won’t notice any big changes and most of it will be back to the content they’re used to in a few months. But as someone else here pointed out it’s likely Reddit will survive as Facebook has, shitty recycled content from other platforms and zero decent discussion. Which again, 90% of their current user base won’t notice or care about. I’m just glad we’ve got a new place where the discussion seems to be a bit more on par with old Reddit
The weird thing is that my experience of Reddit probably didn’t resemble 95% of what was going on there, ever. I had my slice of subs and things I followed and that was great for me. Every so often I would view it logged out and it seemed like a different site, full of garbage viral shite. I assume it will continue to be that. Gallowboob or whatever will still post crap for eyeballs.
Now that’s a name I haven’t seen in ages!
While I can relate to wanting to see some sort of vindication for my position in this issue and to see Reddit punished for their choices, I do think it would be better if Reddit stuck around and attracted a lot of the lowest common denominator traffic. Average quality seemed to go down as popularity increased (though the extremes also got more extreme, so good stuff improved while the bad stuff did get worse and some ended up banned entirely).
On subs like AITA, there were so many replies that misunderstood very basic and fundamental stuff from the main post. Also plenty of replies that just made something up entirely and ran with it, frequently highly upvoted and spawning other replies agreeing completely and also running with the baseless assumptions. It got to the point a long time ago where I realized the judgements themselves were useless and the sub’s only real value was for entertainment and seeing other perspectives, but it wasn’t very useful for its stated purpose: determining if you’re an asshole for something you did.
And the mods were so frustrating there, too. Shutting down active and interesting discussion because some arbitrary rule wasn’t followed or because the topic itself attracted a lot of dipshits.
Anyways, what I’m trying to say is that there’s benefits to having a more popular alternative. It means that lemmy has to continue competing to attract users but it mostly means that low effort users will end up just going to the more popular site until they have a reason to look for something else.
Completely agree. Back in the day I used to just scroll through /r/all and constantly stumble across cool stuff, now it’s devoid of any decent content. Whenever I read any of those millions of aita posts they’d always be clear fiction, and then full of comments as if they were absolutely true. The general quality of content on that site is at absolute rock bottom.
I am glad Lemmy has a small barrier to entry. It’s easy enough that you don’t need any sort of technical knowledge to sign up and use but it requires a little more effort than most social media, which hopefully acts as something of a filter. Reddit now kind of reminds me of usenets “eternal September”.
I followed mostly games and tech related stuff and they mostly rolled over quick or didn’t even participate. So figured it was a lost cause from the get go. When I was subbed there was not much difference in usual activity , since I did not sub to the main subs. In a lot of cases I actually had blocked them long ago.
On the plus side those communities have had good activity on lemmy without need for the reddit mods to bother migrating.
You’ll see the user experience difference. Janky ass Reddit will look lame compared to the cool Lemmy apps that are in development now.
Also a lot of the more high quality comments seem to be migrating.
Me thinks you right. Hope stay good!
Ooh you comment write good
Sorry, I’m mostly bringing over my low quality comments. Sorry guys.
Dang, Lemmy cancelled I guess. Pack it up everybody, @[email protected] ruined it for everyone.
Long live the lemming motherland(s)
The article mentions r/pics, r/vids, and r/funny
These are large subs.
I’m scared to open /r/OnlyFans now
Don’t worry, doordash_drivers is now a recommended sub for everyone 💀
I was wondering why I saw some much of that and shittytattoos my final last few weeks.
/r/truerateme is a lot funnier than shittytattoos. A chance for basement-dwelling incels to rate pretty girls who wouldn’t give them the time of day 5.5.
I knew it was over when my feed was plastered with various subreddits for food delivery workers
Right, I’m pretty positive r/funny was the largest sub to participate in the original protest.
Honestly, /r/all is pretty pitiful these days
I’ve noticed a change too and I’ve tried to keep that separate from my feelings about Reddit. It just doesn’t seem all that entertaining or novel as it was a couple months back.
Perhaps when you piss off that tiny slice of your users that actually produces the content everyone else wants to see and the moderators who ensure they see that quality content, you’re going to have problems.
It wasn’t a perfect system for sure, but it was holding it together for quite a few years.
I logged out of my account at the start of all this, but occasionally I go back and check out reddit as an unlogged lurker. It’s astonishing how low-quality the front page is when it’s not filtered by subjects you’re actually interested in. And good lord is new reddit ever a terrible user experience.
Ah jeez
anyone still protesting the api changes needs to be retroactively aborted
toddlers gonna tantrum
Trolls gonna troll.
As much as I’d love to log into Reddit and see this go down, I’m happy just not using Reddit. How much longer do you think they’ll hold out?
Things will climax once sync for reddit releases their Lemmy app in 2-4 weeks
For those waiting, definitely try out Memmy for iOS. Right now it is in Test Flight, but should be releasing any day now. The dev seems super passionate and the app has gotten exponentially better in just a couple weeks.
I’ve been switching between Memmy and Mlem. Both have their share of missing features right now, I’m usually sticking with one until I hit a need to switch.
Both are great, Memmy is the winner so far.
I’m really enjoying wefwef. It’s basically Apollo for lemmy
I’m keen to give it a go but the beta is full. Am keeping an eye out for the app store release! In the meantime Wefwef is excellent and I may end up sticking with it anyway (no harm in shopping around though!)
So far Connect for Lemmy feels close to sync. So far it’s working great on Android.
A lot of us are looking forward to that day.
The apps are going to be a game changer. If they can make it easier and intuitive to sign up, manage your accounts, find communities, and eventually group communities together and filter your feed, casual users will start flocking. It’s all about the UX and UI.
I hope to see the apps even accept donations and distribute part of it to the Lemmy devs and server hosts to help keep things sustainable.
As an Apollo user, switched to wefwef and suddenly its like Reddit 10 years ago. Lots of interesting and weird content with great UX.
Is wefwef only for iPhone? I can’t seem to find it in the Google store.
I use it as a web page on Android until sync for Lemmy comes out and it works great for me
Wefwef is a web app. You should be able to get it on anything with a browser.
Awesome thanks 😊
It’s a web app. Recently it’s become even more optimised, I can now type and navigate Lemmy without any lag on my phone at all. It’s not as choppy as you’d expect websites to be.
Same! Also I just installed the Mlem beta and while it’s a bit buggy, it already works pretty well and it seems to work better for me than Wefwef (and it’s native which for me is a plus)
That and hopefully each app will create their own federations. It will be a refreshing to see the developers become the leaders
Hopefully long enough for casual users to start looking for alternatives.
I hope this is true.
Do not underestimate average people’s resilience to enshittification
Yeah, pretty much. The sad reality is that only the most outspoken will actually make a switch. The vast majority will simply accept it as the new norm, because they don’t care enough to bother with a new platform.
The most outspoken are also the ones generating the most content.
for now. switches like this don’t happen one day to the next. reddit has broken a lot of trust with its core users and put things in motion that cannot be stopped, at least without extraordinary action that they’re clearly unwilling of. these processes will take years to play out but they’re happening.
same thing is going on with twitter. the easier mastodon becomes to use and the more twitter falls apart, the more the flow of users from one platform to the next will pick up the pace.
You can train mice or pigeons to hit a button for reward, but the button has to dispense reward pretty much 100%. Once they’re trained, you can dial down the reward - 50%, 25%…1% - and they’ll keep mashing that button, doing work for free. Human buttons and rewards may be more complicated, but it’s the same thing.
I fear this is true. 🤦
I heard some people still use …Twitter!
Truly insane
It doesn’t matter, at this point. Lemmy is already a good-enough replacement for reddit, with better core principles, and it’s just getting better.
Get some popcorn and watch the drama, and expect nothing.
It’s okay to expect more drama though, right?
Second drama? I don’t know if they know about second drama.
I trust in spez to commit to even more enraging changes to Reddit. When it’ll happen idk, but it most definitely will
You can always expect more drama.
I just saw someone on one of my fb groups saying she’s heard a lot about reddit lately and wanting to make an account and asking how it works.
I tried to ward her off but the negative press just seems to be enticing new users.
My guess ist that if she still is on fb in 2023 she might actually love it on Reddit now and in the future…
That’s fine, they’re the people we don’t want over here. They’re part of Reddits problem.
Tell her one of the Lemmy apps is Reddit
It’s Teddit.
It’s the mods leaving that are going to doom the site. The users will follow soon after
Define “doom.” Reddit will lose its power users, its trendiness, and just become another forum for recycled content like 9gag or limp along like Digg or MySpace for years, but I don’t see it shutting down.
Yeah, for now people are still going to incidentally use reddit for human-written non-seo optimized text.
Heck, I needed it last night for help with my computer.
you’re talking about the 0.1 of the 1/9/90 rule resisting the clearly telegraphed decay of the platform they poured 5-15 years into on average. they built that place, do not underestimate the lengths they will go to keep it up.
assuming one more round of further threats, my prediction is that about half the currently protesting communities will either switch to a new form of protest, stop, or be made an example of, by about the end of july. but for a proper “end” of the protests, spez would be lucky if it happened by the end of the summer, and their negative impact on the platform is already severe and permanent. i honestly don’t know if the admins are stupid and/or out of touch enough to not notice the drop in content quality or are just bold enough to lie about it, but this spells the beginning of a long and inevitable process of people leaving to better sites as those who gave reddit its unique value stop contributing and giving lurkers a reason to stay.
reddit will never feel the same again, but it will feel about the best it ever will again around the end of the year, before the decay truly sets in. unless the admins choose that time for the next round of killing off old reddit, of course.
reddit will never feel the same again
It really doesn’t seem like the cool place it once was. They took the vibe away with these API changes.
lol without an app on my phone, I tried opening r/pics on my mobile browser to see the damage, only to be met with a “you must view NSFW communities in our app” page.
you can use old reddit but it’s a pain and a half on mobile
Its going to be a while. Most content creators especially comic artists, streamers and youtubers are still on reddit. Their fans are there, and its unlikely they’ll budge until the comic artists post here too, or the mods of the youtube communities announce a migration.
I disagree. I know and follow a bunch of creators on social media and twitch, but even as a Reddit power user I knew so few specific users. Influencers may post links to their content but their Reddit account is hardly relevant.
I agree.
Also when we’re all being fucked over no one has a right to say how we (in general) should be protesting. People get to show their anger in whatever way they want. It’s like people asking for civility so they don’t have to deal with uncomfortable messages. Um fuck no. NSFW all the way if that’s what one decides.
Thanks for agitating
Reddit is a lot less active now. Gotta love it
No point in protesting, we already have a better alternative.
In my experience, those with power will destroy themselves from spite rather than change their mind.
I love it. Especially that the mods of the default subs have the balls to do it
turns out it’s not a good idea to piss off the unpaid people put in charge of front page subreddits
Meanwhile redditors on /r/piracy kicked their own mod for continuing the protest. I think their Lemmy migration to lemmy.dbzer0.com is a bit too effective and now only loyal redditors left at that sub.
On the flipside [email protected] has a lot better content and discussion than /r/piracy where it’s mostly the same memes reposted every few weeks.
Man, r/piracy looks completely dead right now. Nothing but memes and a bunch of “how do I pirate this or that” posts with no votes and zero replies. So many celebrated reopening and everyone disagreeing were downvoted to hell for this. Seems only fucking clowns that have nothing of value to offer are left there.
Lemmy is infinitely better for piracy discussions anyhow. Reddit is bound by legality and piracy is grey-legal at best, so while a Lemmy instance is bound by the laws of where it is hosted and is far less likely to see a government crackdown, Reddit feels auch stronger pressure to control the piracy discussions.
It says no posts when clock on that link. What am I doing wrong?
It’s not really a link, it’s the piracy community at lemmy.dbzer0.com instance.
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