Far left: we’re going to dress in all black and burn buildings down to protest racism of which many of the shops will be locally owned by people of color.
Far right: we’re going to ravage the civil liberties of every group of people that aren’t white religious old rich people and convince poor white people it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Centrists: You’re both fucked but one of you is less fucked I guess.
You’re both fucked but one of you is less fucked I guess.
Which one is that? Because moderates are outright refusing to compromise with leftists and progressives. Seems like they prefer fascists.
That’s because those “moderates” are actually right-wingers masquerading as moderates. If somebody tells you “I support X, Y, and Z”, but don’t take any positions that support X, Y, or Z, then they are lying to you.
I think it’s worse than that. I think moderates are lying to themselves and since so few people are calling them out for it they remain in blissful ignorance of the damage they’re causing.
Left is in a pretty clear lead but you won’t find me handing out fliers to spread the word. I’m just watching in paralyzed horror.
Maybe if you told moderates they need to start compromising with leftists and progressives a few might listen.
Based on the overwhelmingly negative response to the left being criticized I understand why many Centrists stay center. Going either direction just feels morally compromising. I’ll still vote blue because I’m not insane but still, I’d never call myself Democrat.
Going either direction just feels morally compromising.
Supporting unions feels morally compromising? Refusing to send weapons to Israel feels morally compromising? Raising minimum wage feels morally compromising?
Get real.
Supporting a president who is turning a blind eye to genocide feels morally compromising. Supporting Democrats, none of which who will even use the word genocide to call out Israel, feels morally compromising. Supporting “peaceful protestors” wearing anti-facist gear and smash/loot small businesses feels morally compromising. Supporting people who refuse to acknowledge body dysmorphia is a mental illness and instead want to feed into it in all forms feels morally compromising.
You’re fucking delusional if you think your side is immune to critique. The left is ‘better’ but stop huffing your own shit fumes.
Supporting “peaceful protestors” wearing anti-facist gear and smash/loot small businesses feels morally compromising.
Are you equivocating this with a vote for Bernie or Warren in the primaries?
Furthermore, moderates like you got the candidate you wanted in the primaries and lots of progressives and leftists begrudgingly showed up to vote for him in the 2020 general. Biden hasn’t compromised with them at all. If you want him to win the next election you’ll need our help again. We’ve provided some ideas like “stop sending weapons to Israel” and “don’t block strikes”. Are you trying to tell me supporting either of those ideas feels morally compromising to you? And if not have you done anything to try to tell Biden to wake the fuck up unless he wants to lose to the far right?
You’re acting like there’s only two extreme choices when that doesn’t reflect reality. Biden won the primaries. You got your centerist president. Now help us nudge him left and we’ll help make sure he gets elected again.
Another excellent example of strawman.
Regardless that’s the choice in front of every moderate. Either they can join us in telling Biden to vow to veto any attempts to block a strike in his next term and stop shipping weapons to Israel or they can lose to fascists. We compromised and helped get Biden elected in the 2020 general. If they want our help again it’s time for the moderates to compromise.
Plot twist: first two are far right in some(probably most) European countries. Also first one can be French.
Left and right, the status quo is fucked, the evidence is everywhere
Centrist, yes but I had plans this afternoon, nothing can happen that makes me feel inconvenienced or bad.
ALL Leftists according to rightists: “all I want is basic needs met, obviously anyone who doesn’t grant a toddler universal basic income, and free on demand sex change surgery and accompanying hormones is obviously a nazi. Also, fuck white people, fuck men, fuck anyone in an incumbent demographic category. Simply by being male and white you should immediately pay reparations for daring to exist. Anyone who even asks about any of these subjects is committing a crime and should never be allowed to speak again. Also it’s illegal to not be attracted to fat people”
ALL Rightists according to leftists: “Anyone who I’m too stupid to understand shouldn’t exist. There is no middle ground or grey area on anything, it’s my way or the highway. All minorities shouldn’t exist at all, no one should exist who doesn’t conform to my specific set of arbitrary values. Anyone who says otherwise is a communist and hates themselves. Literally everyone must die. The police never make mistakes and any form of authority must be taken as 100% true at face value”
Centrists: “you both seem extremely closed-minded and I’m struggling to come to any conclusion other than being extreme is bad, and that these are complex subjects. I will try to focus on not being extreme.”
Yeah anyone can write literally anything you fucking idiots
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Imagine thinking this is how normal people think 🤣
Why would I care about what so-called normal people think? Most of them are boring and care about football far more than about the direction their country is going in.
👌👍 you are posting a meme about them
Definitely don’t care.
No, I’m posting a meme about politically-aware people, not “normal” people, whatever you think those are.
I am guessing what you consider “normal” is white, Christian, heterosexual and cisgender as well.
👌👍 I guess the center is small
So small as to not exist. Because “the center” is actually on the right. The Overton Window has moved very far.
Blah blah blah blah blah moving goal posts 🙄
Whatever your want to believe the center just isn’t as progressive as you like. They aren’t equating Nazis to your softened view is the extreme left.
Please name some progressive centrist policies.
When your only idea to solve problems is violence you don’t care for having people’s needs met, you just want to dominate others and still claim to be the good guy. I see that on the side of “the left” and you can distance yourself from that without becoming right wing or conservative.
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Humans are emotional and tribal creatures. Hopefully we’ll merge soon.
Good lord… the comments on here proves that lemmy.world is flooded with politically incompetent libs that couldn’t tell the difference between left and right if their lives depended on it.
If you believe that there is such a thing as an actual “left” in formal political establishments, this means you.
People who already have their needs accounted for always seem so convinced that things will turn out hunky dory if things escalate to violence, and yet so rarely pass thought on the folks who are already struggling enough without The Troubles Part II Red Cap Boogaloo coming to a car bombing near them.
Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the face of the Earth.
Far centre: Would you guys just fuck already.
Also far left: “we’re gonna vote a clear centrist into office because surely that will create progress and not backfire”
And then there are people like vivian, who are dumb enough to actually believe this bullshit.
i just try my best to think logically and realistically idc abt left or right opinions
Can you give us a logical and realistic right-wing opinion?
The Republican Party of today does a massive disservice to any shred of the concept of a logical and realistic right-wing opinion.
And even then, the ideals depend heavily on the system functioning properly. Honestly a properly functioning right-wing state could be as good or better for individual freedom and security than a properly-functioning true socialist state.
However, I think it takes a hell of a lot of faith in the right-wing system to even get close to something fair and functional in the real world.
What’s the function of banning books, removing women’s rights to bodily autonomy, removing individual rights of transgender people, electing a fraud and rapist president, and pushing christian facism in a " properly functioning right-wing state"?
That’s the thing. Today’s Republican Party is not a right wing party. They christofascists that hijacked the Republican party’s platform, propaganda machines, and now, leadership.
It’s been a gentle decline since the 80s, then Sarah Pain got a platform right alongside McCain and the whole thing fell right into the deep end.
Who would’ve thought that the two people most detrimental to the fall of modern society would be Ralph Nader and Sarah Palin.
Everything you described is right wing. Christofascism is right wing.
It’s a No True Scotsman kind of thing…but I wouldn’t consider anything the christofascists say or do to be aligned with right-wing principles (limited government, personal autonomy, “golden rule” type stuff).
Government banning anything, whether it be books or gay marriage or abortions, would not fly under a true right wing government, because banning anything requires enforcement (which requires a larger government) and a breach of personal autonomy.
That’s not what right-wing means. Right-wing is Capitalist, and associated with entrenching and upholding hierarchy.
Limited government cannot exist in a right wing environment, Capitalism requires a state. That’s why all Anarchism is leftist.
What if those aren’t examples of a properly functioning right-wing state?
They sound more theocracy based. From your examples in order:
- Banning blasphemy
- Religious misogyny
- Religious purity
- cult leader
Right wing or far right?
When you get to “far”, well by definition you have extremists. Things are distorted know because the far right has power and the far left essentially doesn’t exist in our political system. So it’s hard to ignore the extremism.
Also, though we like a spectrum, it doesn’t cut in one dimension. One flavor of “right wing” says government stays out of stuff, especially religious stuff, but another flavor wants a theocracy. The latter flavor is at the wheel in the Republican party now, which is dangerous.
In terms of a realistic theoretical right position I’d say favoring reducing spend over raising taxes is a defensible position. Now problem again being the Republicans tossed this and spend at least as much as the Democrats, but are less responsible about tax revenue as they do it.
I’m wary of the dangers of partisan driven politics (your “team” becomes your ultimate loyalty), but in the current climate I side with the Democrats because the Republicans have just been getting more and more nuts. I still want to watch the nuance and vote for candidates rather than blindly for a party, because complacency can be a dangerous position.
“private property is necessary for a functioning society.”
or is that liberals? I get them confused all the time
Thinking logically and realistically, without checking if left or right, inevitably leads to a leftist slant. There’s nothing logical or realistic about right wing thought, that’s why they usually suppress the scientific community and educational systems.
and when did i say i dont check either side. i think of all sides and directions and possible outcomes and resources and stuff. all thought process sides have good opinions hut sticking to one train of thought will never lead to positivity since life changes.
Everyone does this, it’s not unusual, but the consequences of doing so is naturally a leftist outcome. Leftism isn’t a random direction, with unrelated and disparate views, nor is rightism. Leftism is a selection of coherent and synchronous solutions to sets of problems using the same logical framework of analysis.
Leftism isn’t about “sticking to one train of thought,” and that’s a very myopic view of political ideologies in general.
politics are scary and exhausting. imma dip outnof this.
