As his position on the Israel-Gaza war threatens to upset his support
In the bi-line. I don’t think these people know who Bernies supporters are.
Oh brother… they say the same thing every time a Republican becomes President…if Trump becomes President, he’ll be exactly like he was before. This is just more fearmongering from the Left.
How did you get to this conclusion? What in the article makes you think that?
Well Trump did actively support an insurrection, I don’t know how you can’t see this as a threat to democracy in the US…
I like the insinuation that the US is an actual “democracy” lmao
It is for anything besides president. That’s the sad part.
If we do an election and the wrong candidate wins, the democracy goes away.
So you can’t vote for the wrong candidate.
And also, you can’t vote for a third-party candidate.
And also, you can’t abstain from voting.
So, really, you have exactly one choice that you’re allowed to make.
Democracy!
And also, you can’t abstain from voting.
[Citation required.]
i’d say it’s largely, tho not completely, a de facto oligarchy now.
I know you mrrrkns absolutely hate it when furriners’ talk about your politics, but it saddens me to see a fellow democracy in such a state. Both these guys are demented old f&@ks! These are the best candidates your democratic system can give you? Really? I know we Aussies have plenty to cringe about, but jeez!
Bernie wants to continue to support israel.
And Bernie refuses to acknowledge israel commits Genocide.
His words ring hollow.
Watch this pathetic man dance around the subject of a Genocide on two million people
Nice try. Go back to Truth Social and/or Russia.
Gets linked evidence
Screams incoherently about Russia gate and pizzas
Your linked evidence shows him saying that he wants to stop supporting Israel, contrary to the first sentence of your post.
It’s a bit difficult listening to the interview with that YouTube guy telling you what to think, but it’s there if you endure.
I got you MLH because there is clear need for help to explain what words mean and MLH explains it very well.
Sanders goes on to say that he wants to continue to give israel 3 Billion dollars per year and does not want to sanction israel. Even when pressed on the double standard with Apartheid south Africa.
Thanks for the link. I watched it to the end and I don’t see the 3 billion claim, he kept saying he wants to stop money going to Israel. Feel free to timestamp where it is, maybe I missed it.
13:58. For more explanation you can watch the MLH video
There’s nothing “raw” about this video. It’s a fully produced and edited interview.
Did you just dodge the facts and respond with completely something irrelevant because you got proven wrong?
It is the raw video of the footage used by MLH so “raw” is the correct description here. Now respond to your claim of “Bernie not defending israel money.”
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Citizens United needs to be removed.
The massive polarisation in the media needs to be addressed and the outright blatant lies told by the Rightwing goons needs to be legally stopped. ‘Free Speech’ my ass. They need to be labelled ‘opinion’ or ‘entertainment’ or something other than pretending to be ‘fair’ or ‘news’.
The massive polarisation in the media needs to be addressed and the outright blatant lies told by the Rightwing goons needs to be legally stopped. ‘Free Speech’ my ass. They need to be labelled ‘opinion’ or ‘entertainment’ or something other than pretending to be ‘fair’ or ‘news’.
Replace “rightwing goons” with “leftwing commies” and this is exactly Trump’s plan lmao. Do you not see how that is a problem?
What left wing media empire has spread lies so much as to be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars? This is not a two sides issue.
I’m not pushing it as a two sides issue. I haven’t seen anyone in the Democratic establishment advocating for media censorship like this. I’m talking about you, as an individual. You’re not a side.
I’m not advocating ‘censorship’. I’m advocating for standards of truth in news media. Unless it’s laid out as the facts, it’s opinion.
This used to be the case until Murdoch and the GOP changed the law to allow bullshit.
If you’re talking about the fairness doctrine, it required broadcast networks to devote equal time to both sides of controversial issues. It never applied to opinion shows, which are like 2/3rds of the content on 24 hour cable news networks, and it never applied to cable. You could bring it back tomorrow and it wouldn’t change anything about Fox News.
There is not, nor has there ever been, a legal ‘standard of truth’ for news media. There shouldn’t be. If you trust the government to decide what is true and punish the media for reporting otherwise, what’s to stop trump or the next trump from weaponizing that? That is why the first amendment exists.
For Trump Left wing commies = literally anyone who disagrees with him
I think an “equal air time” law that requires that corrections to misinformation and disinformation be provided at the same scope, scale and duration as the offending material. Since Fox news backed down on their dominion case, they ought to reprint every article, rehost every show and re-run every ribbon and banner on all of their platforms for next 3 years, admitting that they lied, linking sources to proof of their lies, and advising everyone that 2020 had no meaningful amounts of voter fraud on either side. Failure to do so should be fined at a rate of 1000 dollars per second of missed remediation time.
Unfortunately the law would’ve never applied to fox news, as it was broadcast only and cable was exempt. But even so nowadays so much of the information sphere is online, through Facebook, Twitter and the thousand different right wing blog news sites that you aren’t really going to be able to stop anything. The American system very dependent on the two parties having a bipartisan consensus. But after a few decades of the right wing media sphere whipping the base into frenzy after frenzy the ‘true believers’ are the ones in government now and the idea of compromise is done for.
That all breaks down though when you can point to foreign actors stirring the pot. Republicans are really letting other countries decide their fate at this point
Sanders is one of the only politicians unworthy of the guillotine.
Bernie is a Genocide defender and wants to keep funding israel even now.
Yes he wants to continue the 3 billion per year and does not want to sanction israel.
These are Bernies’s own words he said in the video I linked above.
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Fortunately, there are a lot of sane people with guns on the correct side of history.
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Well, yeah, unfortunately.
For the record, I am absolutely not advocating for another Civil War. I’m pointing out that there are lots of gun owners who don’t make firearm ownership their entire identity, and those people by-and-large aren’t Trump worshipping accelerationists.
Or…and hear me out…sane people know that murdering those you disagree with is authoritarianism regardless or right- or left- wing window dressing you apply.
When the Brown Shirts come knocking, I’m prepared. You?
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LMFAO, if you think so friend.
If trump wins and America can’t defeat his senile version of fascism, then it’s already on the death bed waiting for the next republican to take power…
trump is the best authoritarian we’re going to get, he’s easy mode, the republicans will get someone worse, someone who has the ability to think beyond his next shit.
It’s not going to get better only worse…
how were republicans before trump? how was Bush? (i literally have no idea because I was 7 at the time)
Awful, but less transparently corrupt than Trump. And they didn’t have the chutzpah to lie about who won an election.
Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and Trump are all links in the same chain of shit. If any of them were avoided we’d be much better off as a nation.
Bush was far worse than Trump.
Didn’t know Bush tried to overthrow the government after he lost
Tried? Bush did that.
lol
Bush started multiple wars and killed millions of people by lying about WMD’s and blamed Iraq for doing 9/11 which was done by Afghanistan but actually by Saudis. And Bush passed many spying acts and abolished rights.
Trump bombed Suleimani and withdrew from Afghanistan. That’s it for foreign policy.
Bush was infinitely more worse than Trump. Trump just looked really dumb
trump tried to stage a coup and overthrow the us government…
if 9/11 had happened during trump instead of W, he would’ve dropped nukes.
and here’s him saying as much:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-911-memorial-trump-vows-to-strike-back-with-more-than-nuclear-power-if-us-is-attacked-again/2019/09/11/60b12fec-d49e-11e9-9343-40db57cf6abd_story.html
We don’t have much of a democracy as things stand considering the average person doesn’t influence policy lol. If all hope is on Biden clutching it out then we better brace for the end. Dems had 4 years to plan ahead.
We did plan ahead, I’m sorry you don’t like what we planned but you were also fully welcome to participate in the process the entire time.
If becoming less popular than when you beat Trump and enabling genocide is planning ahead, then I guess it is over.
Sorry to hear you’re giving up but I guess that makes it easier for me.
Damn you suck at planning lmao
Well, our guy is president and yours is not.
The same process that locked Bernie out?
The same one where biden literally promised he would be a one term president but now has turned around and is running again and there is no democratic challenger?
Yes that process. Sorry your internet comments didn’t work to stop us!
This.
“Republicans are going to end democracy”
“Why would Joe Biden do this to us??”
What sort of plan do you think an incumbent president who has actually been doing policy should adopt?
By supporting a different Republican, how hard is it? In many states you can even vote in the primary of a party you’re not part of, people think it’s beneath them to pick a candidate of the party they dislike whose agenda is least-unlikable. There’s no law preventing you from switching parties on a whim.
If Trump wins what? An election?
You have to remember that a large swath of (generally) younger people are wildly misinformed/uninformed on the actual power of the presidency. They have the idea that the president can universally override all powers of the other branches at any given time and/or that both other branches will be captured (conveniently while a given dictator-to-be is in office) in a significant enough way that whatever piece of legislation the president outrightly wants, they will receive.
A lot of people act like the president has unilateral power, not just younger people.
He doesn’t, there’s checks and balances in Congress and the courts.
But the courts are stacked and Congress is pretty closely split by which side of history their members have historically been on.
Like Hitler, who was democratically elected before ending democracy in Germany?
Yes, exactly.
Hitler wasn’t directly elected. Hindenburg won the election vs Hitler for president in 1932, then later Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor after nazis became the largest party in the Reichstag. Hitler got to work using nazis and other right wing parties in parliament to pass laws to give more powers to himself (using excuses like the Reichstag fire), and then later usurped presidential powers as well after Hindenburg’s death.
But your point still stands, democracies have failed before and America isn’t immune to that. It could happen in America too. And some of Trump’s plans in 2020 and his plans for 2024 are very similar to the nazi playbook. They kind of tried to pull a Reichstag fire on January 6th by blaming antifa or the deep state or whatever crazy conspiracy theory they cooked up to try and distract from their failed coup.
no he wasnt
I mean parliamentary countries say their head of government, say their leader is elected, but it’s just short for the “majority party has a leader”. There’s no requirement in my country for the head of government to actually have an elected seat, it’s just tradition the head of the party has one. Usually if the leader has no seat, a member in a “safe” riding resigns and he gets a seat that way, or alternatively, appoints himself to the Senate. The person doesn’t actually have to do either, head of government is a cabinet position, not a parliamentary position. Speaker and house leader cover that in parliament.
Trump doesn’t seem to really care whether he wins or not, just in case you haven’t noticed…
Just like last time, he’ll claim that he’s won if he’s ever even slightly ahead, and he and his cult will harass people to “stop the count”.
Just like last time, he and his cult will resort to violence and insurrection to overthrow democracy even if he loses.
It’s a good thing no one who was ever democratically elected dismantled democracy so they could never lose the power they gained.
1, he’s been elected before, yet we’ve still got our election system. 2, democrats are actually trying to dismantle democracy by denying a huge number of voters the ability to vote for their choice for president. Dont by hypocritical, flip the roles around and imagine Trump or republican states are the ones barring Biden from running. It’s not gonna sit well with you is it?
Democracies mean the people decide, even if that goes against who you want to win.
1, he’s been elected before, yet we’ve still got our election system.
Did you forget January 6th? It’s not for lack of trying that our election system remained intact through a Trump presidency.
Dont by hypocritical, flip the roles around and imagine Trump or republican states are the ones barring Biden from running. It’s not gonna sit well with you is it?
Of course it wouldn’t. Because Biden running would not be contrary to the Constitution, unlike Trump, whose candidacy is a clear violation of the 14th. The rule of law should apply to everyone - not just the poor.
If Biden committed the acts and, as of now alleged crimes Trump has been accused of, then Biden would need to be barred too. That’s the difference with Trump supporters, the rest of us want the laws applied no matter which “team” the politician represents. It’s people over party and not the other way around.
as of now alleged crimes Trump has been accused of
Thats the issue. Innocent until proven guilty. I believe he’s guilty, but for setting legal precedent this makes accusations enough to bar a candidate in an election.
But also my understanding is there’s nothing in the law requiring criminal conviction for sedition or insurrection or whatever the proper term is. I’m not sure who is supposed to be the determiner of fact. I think that’s why several of the states took it upon themselves. Hence why SCOTUS is almost certainly going to have to determine some of these issues. But I also could be talking out my ass.
In the past few elections, voting feels more like a hostage situation than exercising my right to making a “choice”. This country is absolutely fucked if Trump is elected again.
Yes. That’s the end game of our type of voting system. You get two options and both suck.
We will get no progress until we get something like ranked choice voting.
Obligatory CGP Grey video about the inevitability of a 2-party system
That’s my favorite. I’ve watched it more than a few times
Which we won’t get, because it doesn’t benefit the right people
If we can at least get 2 dems in a row in office we can begin to claw the Overton window back from the fascist side. It’d be a start at least
Bless your heart.❤️
This is the part too may people fail to understand. The same reason Trump wasn’t able to completely dismantle democracy in 4 years is why Dems can’t check every progressive box in 4 years. The system is designed to require a decade or more of electoral success to enact real change. Otherwise you’d just have an unsustainable political yoyo.
Even then, Trump winning one time has completely fucked the Supreme Court, and US democracy will unequivocally not survive another Trump pick. A ton of allegedly left leaning people here seem suspiciously enthusiastic about that prospect.
Wtf? Civil Rights?
That’s far too naive. All that will do is entrench liberalism, which is extremely weak against fascism rising.
Easier said than done I know but if Trump wins my wife and I would strongly consider emigrating to another country. There’s only so much insanity one can take before needlessly going down with the ship. And if the calculus is that that my kids will have better prospects elsewhere, then so be it.
I’ll be in my 3rdW country eating popcorn
You’re assuming that 1st world countries will have us.
Seconding this. Moving to another country without skilled work history and/or higher education in a niche field that would be of use to the destination country is extremely hard to do. You, basically, have to beat out a skilled worker that already lives there. The other option is to be wealthy and buy your way in.
A lot of people have this misconception that moving elsewhere is easy. Turns out, when assholes yell at you about leaving the country when you don’t like something, they’re not being genuine and more doors are closed to you than open.
And, if you’re asking yourself how all the other immigrants are doing it, I can guess that they’re possibly being exploited with by pay that won’t be a living wage and/or have a desperate situation back home.
Interestingly, I’ve seen a few people warn that, when poop finally hits the fan because of ww3, you don’t necessarily want to be the othered, new family on the block.
Take my words with a grain of salt, but reality might be much different than people think when it comes to jumping ship.
Good idea. I think it’s worth doing some research to find out where you might be able to go.
The problem is that without good people to stop them, evil people taking charge of the USA would radically change the entire world.
It’s not easy, but most of us have to stay. Maybe all of us…
Fascism is on the rise globally. If enough decent people leave the US, we will fall into a fascist regime, and it will be the beginning of World War Three, with the US leading the equivalent of the Axis powers. No place in the world will be safe for you or your children. That’s the hard, honest truth.
With my partner, friends, and I being “degenerates” and likely the first group the fascists genocide… nope, see ya, I’m out. We already are experiencing the low-tide effects of genocide and while people aren’t in droves killing us yet, there are state allowed murders seemingly popping up and medical genocides creeping into the states. It’s only a matter of time and there is effectively nothing I can do, so for the lives of my family, friends, and I, we will be doing whatever it takes to get out before it really starts.
You must do what you feel is right, of course. I disagree that it is inevitable, I disagree that there is nothing you can do, and as I said above, I doubt that, should it happen, anybody will be safe, anywhere; but I wish you and yours safety and peace, wherever you go.
Agreed. We need to stay, and we need to fight to change the system from the inside. We can still prevent disaster at this stage.
When’s the last time that hasn’t been the case? 1964?
When has a Russian puppet been the GOP front runner? This is bigger than politics.
Always has been that way
I wonder if Haley is staying in the race betting that Trump won’t be able to run in November
That has been my assumption as well.
I think she would help Biden if she stayed in the race as an independent
Betting on Trump’s last hamburder
We need to focus on smaller winnable races. Unfortunately we can’t shortcut our way into the presidential candidates we want, we need to replace the establishment and build a foundation of allies to support it. I know a lot of us are in conservative areas where you can’t realistically get new candidates elected locally, but you can still volunteer for races in other parts of the country. If we can shift politics in the house and Senate the presidency will follow. It’s hard work but it’s possible.
It always has been.
We might be tempted to think that our Democratic heritage automatically protects us from such threats. This is a misguided reflex. In fact, the precedent set by the founders demand that we examine history to understand the deep sources of tyranny and consider the proper responses to it. - On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder (Chapter 1, Page 13)
I’ll have to read that book. Thanks for sharing.
VOTE DEMOCRAT OR WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!
That’s what they said last time.
Good needs to win each time. Evil only needs to win once.
And?
It was true last time. It’s true this time. That’s the funny thing about fascism - it is usually a one-way choice. You only need to let fascists win once to forever lose your right to choose your leaders.
