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Today i was doing the daily ritual of looking at distrowatch. Todays reveiw section was about a termal called warp, it has built in AI for recomendations and correction for commands (like zhs and nushell). You can also as a chatbot for help. I think its a neat conscept however the security is what makes me a bit skittish. They say the dont collect data and you can check it aswell as opt out. But the idea of a terminal being read by an Ai makes me hesitant aswell as a account needed to use warp. What do you guys think?
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AI that can auto generate all those command line arguments I keep forgetting? Sure.
Closed source terminal that requires account? No way.
And also, like… Data privacy… My terminal commands and command outputs contain sensitive data. Even company sensitive data. I don’t want to be liable.
I’m not the biggest fan of the forced account thing, but I do like a lot of Warp’s features. The command suggestions especially make dealing with tools that have like 1000 switches so much easier (like docker for example). Other than that… It’s easy to customize, fast and looks good.
Tl;Dr: I like Warp, cry about it.
Command suggestions can be provided by the shell too for what it’s worth. fish ships with autosuggestion and autocompletion. For zsh, you need a separate plugin (but it’s well worth it)
I use fish and have used it for a long time and it works very well with warp, actually. You get both it’s autosuggestions and warp’s autocomplete. 's nice
Fair enough
Its not that i hate the idea of having an AI in the terminal its just the idea of having a account to use it. I played around with it last night and tried diffrent ideas which it sometimes is useful. I did #what is my graphics card “Lspci -k “VGA”” Ok that was helpful Then i tried #what driver is my graphics card using? “Lspci -k “VGA”” Which does not list your driver. Its hit or miss.
Maybe if you can use it with a locally running LLM server like ollama, but otherwise fuck no
Absolutely not. And they can fuck right off with that whole needing an account to use a terminal thing.
simply use thefuck
Fish’s autocomplete is enough for me. I do like having Copilot in my editor but I can’t really think of a reason I’d need it in my terminal. Most of my time in the terminal is just installing things, git or moving things around and I have all those commands down as muscle memory.
Helping with complex Terminal commands/shell scripts is basically my #1 practical use-case for AI right now… especially if you use tools like JQ a lot. Saving keystrokes is a lifestyle, after all.
I am also a really big fan of Warp, and was even before they added the AI feature (the editor-style functionality is wonderful). For the record, the AI isn’t always running in Warp, to use it you start a prompt with hash (#) and then ask for what you want and it presents options.
The terminal seems like the very last place I’d want A.I. I’m usually using it specifically to be precise and don’t just run commands I don’t understand. If you forget some long command, just use history |grep whatever and see what it was. (And then turn it into an alias or function.)
What the terminal needs is better discoverability. Maybe command recommendation if it isn’t going to hallucinate flags and paths that don’t exist. All this bullshit is just some company trying to capitalize on that desire.
Exactly. I generally like typing out my commands because I’m learning and it helps me remember what I’m doing and what the commands mean/how they work. And if it’s a particularly long one I’ll make an alias for it.
Sounds like a major security risk. All it takes is one “hallucination” (and an overly trusting engineer) from the latest and greatest bullshit generator to compromise an entire network
Yeah. Sometimes a “barrier to entry” on running commands serves as an important forced pause to help prevent people from charging headfirst into dangerous options they don’t understand.
It’s something I often have to consider at work. It’s not too hard to script out ways to make it easier to do certain things, but is the trade off of making it easier to do accidentally or without understanding the full effects worse than the hassle of doing it the “hard way”?
Yes, let’s get a list of all machines in this network segment, then loop through sending shutdown commands so everything is ready for the hardware move!
What do you mean that the switch itself is in the list of machines? And that I just shut it off prematurely, so now we need to shut down everything locally… shit.
(Details fudged to protect the guilty)
Shouldn’t be too hard to make that run locally. Although I’m not sure what I’d use it for at the moment.
Although I’m not sure what I’d use it for at the moment.
How do I find all instances of "blarg" in the second column of this CSV file?I could see it being useful - but I wouldn’t want it integrated to my terminal. I’m fine with it being a separate thing I can use.
ollama run <some_model> "query" | shellcheck | wl-copy
Executing commands of powerful command line tools without losing time finding them.
It can run ls for you after you cd
Whoa, that’s too powerful!
I watched terminator BURN IT ALL TO THE GROUND ITS TOO POWERFUL
My thoughts are you can fuck the fuck off.
Totally agree. People using cli are probably more skilled and their knowledge has been fed into these ai models.
So we will all end up with some mediocre level of knowledge, because the next input for the LLM 's will be more of the some old stuff. Flattening the curve and less innovation and smart ideas.
These kind of “solutions” are for a non existing problem. Looking at the investors, this is only about making money.
People using cli are probably more skilled and their knowledge has been fed into these ai models.
I am not skilled at all. I only use it because I hate Microsoft and Apple more.
Warp lost me at the account requirement. You’re telling me I need to sign in to a terminal? Seriously? Like with an internet connection? Nope. What if I’m opening my terminal to configure my network? Warp seems to be fixing a problem that doesn’t exist. I don’t think anyone has looked at a terminal emulator and gone “Yeah, this could use AI and a cloud account”.
“Alright, now that I’m logged in to my cloud terminal account, let me enter my root password for sudo.”
You are not in the sudoers file. This incident has been reported and your account suspended.
Not just that, they want an email just to get a download link. Call me when someone forks it with local AI.
Wait. An email just to get a download link AND a cloud account. Fuck that.
I would definitely like an AI to remember some complex commands for me. But something small and specifically trained that runs locally
You can define a bunch of aliases in any shell environment for that. Or use a history manager (a database client essentially) that groups commands you’ve entered so far based on frequency, return value, working dir. when they were issued etc.
fzf does the job
Yeah; & by the way, warp is funding fzf, as there’s a big thank you banner on fzf & fzf-vim’s github pages nowadays. I’m glad fzf is getting support, of course; though it feels odd somehow.
I use
fuck, it’s not ai but gets the job done.
I agree with this 100%!
Don’t need it, don’t want it. They can fuck off with this nonsense.
To help make skittish people feel at ease with the concept, why not give it a friendly on-screen avatar? Perhaps something like a cute little animated paperclip.
I dunno. Maybe an orange dog? Give it big brown ears.
Purple monkey or bust
Throw in a little whimsical wizard while you’re at it.
Also animate it at ~10fps, making it visibly sad when it can’t retrieve the files you ask for.
I prefer a glowing red dot
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