Yes their both fascists of a decaying empire but you need to vote for the lesser fascist.
The OP is one of the semi-weekly Have you considered how bad Gaza will be under Trump? posts on lemmy.world. Obviously these people dont give a shit about Palestinians or else they’d have different priorities. So there’s no point actually trying to debate them because they aren’t being honest. Its just wild to see how far they will bend to the left’s framing and rhetoric while offering them absolutely nothing.
I bet I can get one to say “Please vote for the turd currently sponsoring a white-supremacist settler-colonial apartheid state’s genocide of the indegenious population, or else the other turd will sponsor it more.” if I said it would make me vote for Biden and I was in a swing state. They’re so fucking desperate. My man, that shit ain’t gonna work. The jpeg of a hundred mediocre things Biden’s done because you couldn’t point to any one good thing was working more than this.
PS: Of course they said yes to the bottom question.
So there’s no point actually trying to debate them because they aren’t being honest.
This reads more like a lib struggling with the last few excuses they can muster for supporting Democrats. They’re calling Biden a neoliberal fascist, after all!
This is exactly who you want to interrogate those excuses with – they’re 90% of the way there already. “I don’t know, man, supporting an ongoing genocide is my red line” seems like a good approach for folks like this.
And not just the one over there. All presidents have had genocidal stances regarding indigenous people here in the US.
“You have to vote for the real existing genocide because i’m afraid of the imaginary theoretical genocide in my head”
They went from " vote for the lesser evil" to “vote for the lesser genocide” with so little effort.
So, basically just a protection racket at this point…
Voting is the new punk fellow kids
They refuse to consider how Democrats will reflexively become anti-Trump as soon as he is in office, which could collapse the bipartisan genocide consensus.
The keffiyeh is going to be so hip in 2025. All my new fake friends will be wearing it.
Excited for a brand new
emoji, but with a keffiyeh instead of a kente cloth. I think it’ll be chuck Schumer in the lead this time too for some reason.
Never underestimate how strong the bipartisan genocide consensus is
Fair. I’m just thinking that Trump derangement is pretty strong too.
Trump derangement is based on aesthetics. The genocide consensus is structural to American imperialism
Sure, and I think liberals will still join opposition to genocide on purely aesthetic grounds. The genocide definitely looks bad. They’ll be squishy allies that fold at the first opportunity or sign of push-back, but it’s a hell of a lot better than them being strong supporters.
Yup if Trump was president every elected dem would have “from the river to the sea” in their Twitter bio.
But it’s a dem president so instead that’s a terrorist slogan.
Liberal brain overclocking so hard that it starts to catch fire
What do you think a productive use of your vote would be?
Voting against every tough-on-crime monster running for mayor/sheriff/DA.
I would like to say if Biden looses then at least one party would understand that genocide is unelectable. But thats a little too optimistic about the DNC for me.
If you actually cared about elections and Palestinians you’d be spending your time telling people to call their reps and yell at them.
If you actually wanted Biden to win you would never even mention Palestine. Every time someone makes the lesser evil argument Biden looses votes. You’re not getting any youths out phone banking or canvassing to GOTV for “please vote for the lesser fascist”. But the sad truth is they have nothing left to campaign on.
This is the true litmus test.
If they actually cared about Palestinians more than Biden winning they’d be yelling at Biden to stop doing a genocide.
Fuck if they cared more about winning than just supporting the status quo they’d be screaming at Biden to stop doing a genocide since people have been incredibly clear that’s why they’re withholding their vote.
It’s really really telling where their frustrations lie.
They’re more concerned with continuing to genocide muslims than they are with winning.
I think the people who start these threads are totally acting in bad faith but a lot of the people who respond are blue maga doomers. They know Biden is going to lose and their venting frustrations on the people closest to them.
There literally isn’t a productive use for my vote on any scenario cuz I don’t live in any of the 7/50 states where my vote fucking matters at all.
There is no productive use of our votes. The choices are a genocidal fascist, a genocidal fascist, and people who have no chance of winning. However it will be funny to vote PSL or Green in my swing state and watch liberals mald.
However it will be funny to vote PSL or Green in my swing state and watch liberals mald.
Sounds pretty productive to me
Voting for school board members who actually believe in public education and local government officials that believes that funding local government is a net benefit.
I’m going to apply my same standard of “not voting for anybody currently enabling a genocide” for that race too, it’s just that isn’t an issue for the vast majority of people excluding Biden.
The prerequisite question is, do you live in a swing state?
Kindling to light a fire under the DNC’s asses.
write in campaign for “nobody”
We really have to come up with a common phrase.
Doesn’t matter if it’s “nobody” or “uncommitted” or “ceasefire” but I really wish everybody could pick one slogan to clearly demonstrate how many more votes he would have gotten if he wasn’t a genocidal fascist.
Having any decrepit politician choke on it.
This question assumes there is anything productive about voting for president
INCREDIBLE post
This is your obligatory reminder that a vote for a slow fascism over fast fascism is still a vote for fascism.
Listen, kiddo, I get it. I don’t like the two-fascist-party system. I think our country is corrupt and fascist and, quite frankly, I don’t wanna vote for Biden; it feels like voting for a fascist, but I’m gonna do it. You wanna know why? Because the alternative is a fucking christo-fascist. A christo-fascist. It’s a christo-fascist. Maybe we can have the conversation about dismantling the two-fascist-party system when a christo-fascist isn’t running. Maybe we can do that later, kiddo. Champ. Chief. Maybe we can talk about it later.
Especially when half the country is trying to say the slow fascism isn’t fascism.
Al this fear mongering about how terrible a Trump term will be would be a lot more effective if we hadn’t all lived through a Trump term, and then watch him get voted out despite doing everything he could to stop it, and then watch dems not do anything about all the terrible things that did happen during his first term because they suddenly weren’t a big deal when a dem was president.
God forbid women and Trans people lose rights and become scapegoats for everything wrong in the country and we participate in a genocide while a republican is president instead of doing all that with a democratic president as God intended.
As if Biden isn’t the accelerationist choice.
Literally.
Trump randomly derails actual fascism because somebody didn’t kiss his ass hard enough, liberals want to make sure the fascism machine is running at peak efficiency.
Perfect examples democrats tried to eliminate asylum status for immigrants and suggest literally just turning EVERYBODY away afyer a certain number of people apply on one day, the most cruel policy proposed for the border to date. Fortunately Trump randomly decided to torpedo that deal because he didn’t want democrats to get credit for being extra cruel on the border.
This is a concrete recent real life example of the incompetent fascists being less dangerous than the spineless fascist enablers.
Liberals are like “Biden might be a fascist but he’s our fascist”
Russia’s election is in 2 weeks. We need to also make sure we vote for Putin also. I think he’s wrong to invade Ukraine, but lets not delude ourselves that Leonid Slutsky wont be much worse! Progressives need to fall in line and declare their support for Vladimir Putin
Im voting Leo from Slut
If Trump’s elected liberals will be forced to oppose “christofascism” while right now they don’t oppose neoliberal fascism
The country in general is more united against Trump then it is against Biden
@[email protected] why do you pretend to oppose neoliberal fascism, everyone can see you’re full of shit
Yo that ain’t them. And don’t @ the real person. The most generous interpretation of their post history is they’re a legit doomer radlib.
Thanks for looking out, but I’m still gonna @ them, theyre a grown up they can explain their position themself
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I don’t care that they call me one and it signals to me that they see a
cringe ass libbased AF commie
Desperate times ask for desperate measures.
