Afaik Stalin is resoposible for more deaths than Hitler
I have no issues with actual nazis getting punished for what they did.
The point was this: the Victims of Communism numbers people throw around in debates are highly inflated since it contains unborn children and Nazi war criminals as well.
I did not deny it; a leading Western Stalin scholar did. You simply chose not to educate yourself and instead spewed ignorant propaganda.
But “lesser” evil doesn’t necessarily mean the evil was small.
You are right, the USA and the UK were the lesser evil compared to the Nazis, but we should never forget their crimes against humanity, just as we should never forget the flaws of the Soviets, still, the USSR was the lesser evil in the Cold War.
Glad we are clear on that, not sure why you brought up Nazi apologist talking points before like:
Neither [Nazi Germany or the USSR] was much better than the other.
It’s important that you visit memorials erected to in the memory of the Victims of Communism, sometimes there are hundreds of names there. I once checked a near one, and decided to google some of the names of the people the evil russkies took to the Gulags. It’s so weird how often they were Axis soldiers accused of heinous war crimes! But Axis soldiers could never! Must have been fabricated!
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These real people are on actual Victims of Communism (VoC) websites, and after just 5 minutes of searching, I found the crimes they were tried and found guilty of.
Case 1
In 1942, he was appointed district leader in the Budapest District XII organization of the Arrow Cross Party, and from October 15, 1944, he served in the armed party service. Between November 28, 1944, and January 14, 1945, he participated in the apprehension, robbery, assault, and unlawful execution of several hundred people considered Jewish in District XII of Budapest and on the Buda bank of the Danube.
Case 2
From June 1942 to January 1943, he served as the deputy commander of the 101/5 forced labor company. On the Eastern Front, he treated forced laborers cruelly and ordered his subordinates to do the same. Through his intervention, the so-called “leper section” was created, to which only sick forced laborers were assigned. He was dissatisfied with their work performance, so he denied them food and medical care. As a result of his actions, only 22 out of the company’s 260 personnel survived.
Case 3
Following the Arrow Cross takeover, he became a party serviceman and then deputy to Géza Horváth, the IX district party leader. However, Illés exercised the actual power in the district. He decided the fate of the people brought into the district Arrow Cross house. He interrogated the persecuted under severe abuse and then, under the pretext of transporting them to the ghetto, gave the order for their execution. On December 19, 1944, he conducted a raid on St. Stephen’s Hospital with several party servicemen, from where they abducted 40 people and handed them over to the party servicemen of District II, who executed them on the banks of the Danube. All valuables were taken from the people brought into the Arrow Cross house, of which Illés kept a record. On one occasion, he had a cartload of stolen goods transported from the house at 39 Lónyai Street.
Ever heard of Holodomor?
Have you?
Just between February and July 1933, [Stalin] signed or countenanced nearly three dozen small allocations of food aid to the countryside, primarily to the North Caucasus and Ukraine, as well as the Kazakh lands (which necessitated sharp reductions in the bread rations for city dwellers, many of whom were put on the brink of starvation). All of these actions were woefully insufficient for avoiding the mass starvation in the countryside caused by his policies, in the face of challenging natural conditions. Still, these actions do not indicate that he was trying to exterminate peasants or ethnic Ukrainians. In the Kazakh autonomous republic, probably between 35 and 40 percent of the titular nation—as compared with 8 to 9 percent of Slavs there—perished from starvation or disease, not because the regime targeted Kazakhs by ethnicity, but because regime policy there consisted of forced denomadization. Similarly, there was no “Ukrainian” famine; the famine was Soviet.
This is a very mainstream Stalin biography by a Princeton professor.
Have you heard what the French did to Algerians?
Atrocities committed against Algerians by the French army during the war included indiscriminate shootings into civilian crowds (such as during the Paris massacre of 1961), execution of civilians when rebel attacks occurred, bombings of villages suspected of helping the FLN,removed, disembowelment of pregnant women, imprisonment without food in small cells (some of which were small enough to impede lying down), throwing detainees from helicopters and into the sea with concrete on their feet, and burying people alive. Torture methods included beatings, mutilations, burning, hanging by the feet or hands, torture by electroshock, waterboarding, sleep deprivation and sexual assaults.
Now you’ll say this is whataboutism, but if you always bring up an imaginary genocide like the Holodomor when someone talks about the USSR or Russia, but you never mention this actual mass murder when someone talks about France then you are a giant hypocrite.
The West was worse by their own metrics of bodycount.
Afaik
Afaik: written abbreviation for as far as I know: used when you believe that something is true, but you are not completely certain. Internet, email and texting conventions.
See the thing is, you don’t know shit
I could go line by line, but the main point still stands: are you lost? Do lemmy devs support the Sudan genocide? Are lemmy devs Taliban?
You are just terrible at communicating your point
Again, are you lost? OP said lemmy devs support genocide, & since the largest genocide today is perpetrated by Israel with US support, I was curious what OP meant
What the fuck does your comment has to do with lemmy or Israel? You seem confused
Arab settlements in Iran proliferated after the wars of conquest that destroyed the Sasanian empire.
The Sassanids ffs? You seem very confused about the relevancy of certain topics
you act like only theocratic zionists are settlers
What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you lost?
If not supporting genocide and authoritarianism
They support Israel?
I’m convinced they go right cause those are the people that vote
You do realise that it’s a big part of a politician’s job to mobilise the masses to vote?
What do you mean my plan?
The topic is:
“Is there such a thing as the ratchet effect?”
Yes, there is.
I’m not American, I just hate both the US power elite and the bootlickers making excuses for them. Fuck them all, because they make the world worse for the rest of us…
I could go on and on about EU neoliberals as well, but that’s not the topic at hand, and they are basically behave like vassals to the US anyway
Soooo Dems won’t make it better but least won’t make it worse.
So seems like disenfranchisement
So the Dems did make it worse by being terrible at running the country during the 20 years they’ve been in power over the past 30 years?
They fucked up strategically: creating the material conditions for the rise of Fascism
and they fucked up tactically by running two terrible candidates who abetted genocide in Gaza, and couldn’t even be bothered to promise a feeble social democratic programme (which would be less than the bare minimum), and because of this tactical mistake they’ve lost to fucking Trump who is very clearly an idiot.
Calling it a fuckup implies that Democrats actually care about winning elections and developing the country, which is debatable after all these fuckups and all their anti-left rhetoric…
But they did make it worse, their policies led directly to where the US is now.
It’s so fucking ridiculous!
In the past 30 years Dems were in power 2/3 of the time, so they very obviously did contribute to the state of affairs that led to Trump being elected twice!
Or if the country moved rightward regardless of what team the President represents, then it means voting in this system is only ceremonial and completely useless activity.
Either Dems are enablers of Fascists or voting is useless, there’s no third option.
A universal right to a job and basic necessities
But then you don’t need UBI with a Job Guarantee program with a strong social safety net / high enough unemployment benefit.
And those are counter cyclical by nature, so they are like an automatic fiscal stimulus in recessions, unlike UBI.
That is not the situation today, where most Americans have NO retirement savings. Unless you’re redefining what capitalism IS, then that’s a problem caused by the people in charge (oligarchs).
Bananas were cheap too… because Western [capitalist!!!] imperialism supported fascist death squads in Latin America who sold out their country to United Fruit [a capitalist corporation]. It’s a whole system of oppression, not just the WASPs you see on Mad Men reruns.
You are the one who is deeply confused.
Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. Thinking there was no oligarchy when C. Wright Mills was writing The Power Elite shows that you are not only confused about economic theory, but misinformed about the history of the US as well.
I’ve been trying to say this I don’t ever want to hear republicans complain about people again Unwritten rules are out the window
The double standards on this are driving me mad, good on him tbh
I’m gonna grab a lot of popcorn 🍿 when Trump supporters suffer under the upcoming tariffs
umm, how about just having standards?
Why wouldn’t he pardon others with the same charges?
Also why do you care so much about finding a way to call me a liberal it’s obsessive :P
First step in purging your inner liberal is recognizing that you are a liberal hahaha
Nah, I give up at this point and Xi only paid me for this long, my shift is over.
Read Parenti and others.
“Time is a flat circle” etc.