Ahoy!
I got a new phone yesterday. I also use a wheelchair. The wheels have an app called “e-motion M25” which I used on my old phone. I patched it using lucky patcher since most functions (turn wheels on, cruise control, remote to drive the wheelchair to my current chair) are behind an incredible expensive paywall.
Since I don’t own the wheels (they’re technically still insurance property) and the software isn’t super reliable, I won’t pay over €300 just to use my wheels.
But I can’t seem to patch it on my new phone, even when sharing the patched app directly from my old one. The store simply won’t open. I’ve not been rooted since forever and prefer not to root at all, since it was possible to do so on my old phone.
Would anybody care to help me out or give me some tips on where to look? Thanks in advance!
UPDATE after spending my entire morning on the floor, I installed older versions of the app until I found one that worked with luckypatcher. I know it’s a small chance but if someone using the same wheels finds this post, you have to figure out how to download luckypatcher and use this version of the app. In lucky patcher create a multi patch APK and make sure to turn off “billing” in the second screen. When opening the store, be careful not to scroll to the complete bottom or else the app wil crash. Buy each pack individually and lucky patcher will handle things from there.
To every commenter: thank you. Lemmings are the best and capitalism is the devil.
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Is there some cache on your old phone from some previous ‘activate on this device’ required?
You want to have both hands free while moving or an extra dose of speed to go faster? With the Mobility Plus Package you can activate a variety of clever additional functions in the Mobility App.
With the Mobility Plus Package you can increase the support speed from 6 km/h to 8,5 km/h and benefit from the Cruise Mode that allows you to keep a permanent speed with only one deflection on the push rim.
Holy fuck!?!? The wheelchair is actually actively crippled if you don’t pay?
If you are able to crack software, this is the time to stand up and do actual real good for humanity !
This makes me so angry.
Yea the fun stuff is that it’s actually manually operated but it straight up blocks at the 6km or the 8,5. The 8,5 is decent enough but even when turned off the wheels feel ‘blocked’ so I can’t do a quick running contest with my husband. Not the wordt but at 6km it’s just average walking speed which means I can’t take a sprint when crossing the road.
Fun fact: it was stuck in 2,5km/h for months before I finally figured out the manufacturer manual because the actual wheelchair company didn’t know how it worked.
While I was reading this comment, I thought it was a sarcastic parody of a promotion for the software…
Then as I kept reading I realised that the lines in italics are not parody, but actually from the company.
Fuck those guys!
Fuck i didnt even realise its not a parody
Someone needs to call Empress. This is the type of shit she lives for lmao and extremely talented, even if she’s a nutcase
Does she have a bat signal? She seems like she has a bat signal.
Yes it comes in the form of $500 donations shell crack whatever you ask for that price. This is not a joke.
$300 per year for the wheelchair software versus $500 one time…seems like a good deal to me.
Oh my god empress, I fell down that rabbit hole a while back hahaha. I mean I “cracked” the app now with luckypatcher but that’s only locally on my device, I’m not a true hacker even if the boomers I know in real life think I am lol
That definitely makes you a hacker.
It’s more about the spirit than the knowledge, but you’ve got both.
laughs nervously I am cool now?
You were always cool.
Thank you! This may be helpful for my sister in the future.
These are the Alber e-motion M25 wheels so if you ever need more help in the future don’t be shy to dm me :)
In the future, people will remember William Gibson as a prophet.
Never I thought I’d be reading about a wheelchair locked behind paywalls. What a ridiculous world we live in.
Edit: I’m glad you figured something out and that those profiteers won’t get a cent out of it.
I’m imagining your shock when I tell you the cost of my entire wheelchair, which is a manual wheelchair with push assistance (like an e-bike).
Mine is also manual, with a push assist(smart drive) its MSRP is 16k!
The software is also really stupid, you have to use a stupid smart watch to control it! You can get other controls(for some functions only) but they didn’t come with the chair without additional costs. The smart watch sucks and my better watch which is also WearOS can’t download the app from the store for some reason… I’d much rather be able to just connect my phone directly.
Most people in my disability community use the smart drive and always have issues! It’s why I didn’t wanna make the change, also the manual bit when the smart drive isn’t on is still too hard for me. But my wheels are like 20kg now which also suck. Anyway, I keep hearing my friends say the same about the smart watch and then it breaking and others recommending letting them build a button on the chair for the drive because the watch KEEPS BREAKING. I have so many strong feelings about all of this honestly.
I may have had a mental breakdown when I still hadn’t found a cute backpack after 5 years, that I truly loved and was my style. Lol.
Si what you’re saying is that we need open source wheelchairs?
For fucks sake why isn’t all assitive devices open source already. Making profit over disabled people misery is such a evil thing ! The capitalist are so fucking out of touch it’s crazy. Kids dying, disabled people pressed for every penny they have etc… how the fuck did we let things go this bad.
My colleague built an ultrasound walking stick for his wife, but can’t even give units to the local sight-impaired community organization due to regulations… He’s given up on getting his design certified.
Captive market. Easy prey.
Call it what you want, those with no morals have no boundaries. This is what laws are supposed to prevent, but y’know, the sociopaths have normalised greed and gluttony, and made it the “dream” of a nation.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason behind no open source is some stupid legislation for ‘reasons’.
Open source wheelchairs; and a community of variously abled makers who can come together and build assemblies that are “not medical devices” but come together easily into something that could be used as such.
Speaking strictly for the US, and as a non-lawyer - I’m inclined to think that an open source wheelchair would probably sail right through the 510k process, but… Still doesn’t make that process cheap by any means.
I’ve had similar thoughts re: CPAP/APAP machines, neither the SW nor the HW is brutally complex / poorly understood. Pretty straightforward stuff mostly. But trying to distribute a thing like that even as plans is just asking for a C&D from the FDA, I’d expect.
Insurance companies: you wouldn’t download a wheelchair.
Or indeed a wheelchair locked behind an app.
Oh gee we can’t be bothered to update our app any more. That’ll be all our chairs useless in 5 years.
There will probably be a new app for the new chairs. You’ll have to upgrade the chair to keep using the app support.
Hrrrrr. Anyone, call EU.
please spare some ADA for us thanks
Wait. You ARE in EU. Hmm…
This brings a new definition to the term “crippleware”.
I don’t know shit about it and should probably keep my mouth shut but i am gonna say this maybe one of the few instances you should pay up ? And thats coming from someone who pirates everything . I could be wrong tho
EDIT : As i said i could be wrong i just don’t want OP’s bootleg software to have a breakdown in the middle of the road.
Why?
Adding additional financial hurdles on people with disabilities is, in the least aggressive phrasing, “not a vibe”.
In turbocapitalist circles, we prefer to describe this as a “strong economic incentive to become unshackled from your disabilities”, but I guess it’s a question of optimism
Replying again to say: that actually makes sense. You should have said that upfront! Suddenly being locked out of critical software is definitely a risk worth considering
Yea thats what i meant i thought it was obvious but obviously not
Yeah, without that edit, I was immediately in “burn the bootlicker” mode. You make a valid consideration.
I couldn’t be far from it mate you should check my history i am all for pirating and foss
Checks which community I’m in. Yeah that checks out.
You’re right, should have kept this thought to yourself
And if I pay I still dont own it, that’s the messed up part. I get what you’re saying though and I appreciate your concern, however I’ve been using the bootleg software for years on my other phone without any problems so it should be possible.
Yeah if you are sure go for it . I just didn’t wanna get you into shit or doing what internet strangers told you to do but if you are SURE go for it i say.
Wheelchair Manufacturer:
We’ve heard your complaints, which we never got when tiering by selling different physical models of wheelchair. Going forward, our app will be free, but features will be limited by the equipment actually physically installed in our Standard/Premium/Luxury models.
Yes, the physical equipment needed is only fuses, but we’ve obfuscated that by encasing them in cryptexes and adding fancy plastic design elements to the more expensive models.
Now, our business practices are indistinguishable from Honda upcharging for a sunroof. Except life’s harder when you don’t upgrade with us.
:( hey but good job staying at it and finding a way!
This is so damn wholesome. Thank you fellow humans for helping this person and even offering to pay. Why I am cutting onions this early in the day is a mystery.
Wholesome to see people help, but the main feeling I get is revulsion that this person can have a wheelchair provided with insurance but can’t even get proper functionality without paying.
It’s so we can keep up the act of being a country with social security without actually being it.
I’m sorry I don’t have any answer, but I just wanted to say I’m sorry you have to go through this to make your life easier. Also I fucking hate unrestrained capitalism.
Capitalism thrives off mobility aids. Anything decent, even a decent backpack, cost an arm and a leg just because it’s made for the cripples. I hate it here lol.
I understand. I use a cane due to severe inflammatory arthritis and a long list of other crap including a deteriorating spine that’s likely to land me in a chair myself in a few years. Trying to build my own ramp into my house a little at a time on good days because it’s several thousand dollars to have one built and eventually I won’t be able to do it at all. Solidarity in hating it here. I’m in Texas in the US which, well it’s run by regressive masochistic asshats.
And here I am in the Netherlands, taking trips to the Midwest sometimes and crying everytime because it’s so accessible and the ADA and what not. All from a tourist perspective, which is just… I can get into a restaurant and use the sidewalks.
I am blessed to have a ramp. And now I’m realizing I say blessed when we’re just human beings living our regular human being lives trying to get out of our house. I hope the regression will be a slow one for you and remember: a wheelchair isn’t something to be ashamed about. Ambulatory wheelchair users exist so if you feel like you can profit off of one, so you may take a longer hike in the mountains or whatever, don’t feel ashamed.
It’s funny you mention that. I barely make it 30 minutes at my art receptions of I manage to submit work in a slow. I’ve been thinking about it and remembering how much of a fight I put up before getting a cane and how much I wished I hadn’t waited so long. Probably time to talk to my doc. Thank you friend and I hope you get that chair hacked and at your command.
I got a lot of my freedom back by getting a chair. Good luck, friend!
The people who downvoted are complete silly billys.
Thank you, but it’s okay. I only see the positive total on my app. Some people just love the taste of corporate boot leather.
Must be an acquired taste. sorry shit sucks. (wrt this)
I’m infurated you have to pay 300 bucks for An app on this situation. Incensed beyond reason. Please link to the specific app in question, and then if you can’t get anything working contact me and I’ll buy the stupid thing for you.
I’d much rather make sure things like this never make any money for anyone. But not at the cost of someone in your situation having to wait any longer to access the tools you need. Man am I pissed about that kind of paywalling on medical devices. Holy hell.
This is the play store link and honestly: wow. You offering to pay is making my head spin. That’s incredibly kind of you. However I truly don’t want to buy it overall since it’s tied to the wheels, which I don’t own, and I might get other wheels in 5 years and then… I can start over. It’s the principal that I get a device with “cruise control” so I can cover more distance on my own but then the cruise control alone costs 100 bucks.
I’m in a country where people assume disabled people are taken care of. Quite the opposite.
It’s not a perfect solution but smart drive works really well for me. It’s very customizable.
I’d never imagine that the first time I’d encounter an in app purchase that outrageously expensive, would be on a wheelchair app.
F me, why do companies have to extort people like this! Glad you got it cracked in the end.
I’m sorry bout your situation, but may I ask what country are you talking about? (So that I may never set a foot in it.)
It may shock you but: the Netherlands
It actually does. All I know about the netherlands is that Amsterdam = good, blame this guy. All his videos are basically the same. He tells you how bad something is (in city design), and tell you how good Amsterdam is. Basically promoting that city, guess he doesn’t talk about DLCs for medical utilities.
The irony that I absolutely despise Amsterdam and try to avoid that city at all costs since it’s once of the least accessible cities in this country in my experience. If I do have to go I absolutely need my husband to go with me to push me around which is dehumanizing and makes me feel like a burden. The cobblestones are an attack on my joints as well.
It’s why I often say my disability isn’t making me disabled but society is.
A totally different perspective, thank you.
I don’t mind if you have new wheels in 5 years. If you can’t get this working contact me and I’ll take care of it. Hopefully you can get it working without giving the greedy bastards anything though. =P
Lol. Looking into that app a little bit and what a shitshow. I’m even more pissed off than I was before.
I figured it out!!! I updated this post. And yea the app is like a student programmar trying to build something lol. Even the navigation part doesn’t work but I just use maps for that anyway.
Never stop being one of the most beautiful motherfuckers the universe ever made.
If it comes down to it, I’ll split the cost with you. If we can’t get socialized medicine the way it’s meant to be, we’ll make it ourselves!
I have something in my eye. This community is so incredibly wonderful.
Lucky Patcher patches the odex files, not the apk. I could not figure out if it’s possible to tranfer odex files to a different phone.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/luckypatcher/comments/yzao3u/sharing_apps_with_lucky_patcher_mod/
This comment from A7pr8 seems to suggest it is possible to modify the apk via Lucky Patcher, which hopefully would then work on a non-rooted phone:
You can’t just send the app from your rooted device. When you mod the app on a rooted device only .odex file will be patched not the .apk file.
You need to rebuild .apk to be able to share it and the the other device should also has luckypatcher for it to work.
Simply when you patch an app use the option create modified .apk or rebuild it from “rebuild & install” in the bottom bar.
That’s what I’ve tried but the store just opens as a blank page still
Was your old phone rooted? You might have patched the odex files instead of the apk as others have pointed out. And it might be that modifying the actual installed apk file changes the signatures that the app checks for, while it assumes the odex files are correct and that it just works. I’ve seen some apps check for modifications from Lucky Patcher (even with odex patches), but not nearly all apps go to that kind of length, and it seems that this app doesn’t check. Disclaimer, I never delved deep into the actual working of this stuff, this is based on what I’ve noticed when I tried patching apps on a rooted vs non-rooted device. I think you might be outta luck unless you root your phone. Godspeed either way.
Damn, we truly live in the most boring kind of dystopia.
