Yeah, calling pi infinite makes me wanna cry, too.
If only mathematicians had a number for that. Ya know, the people famous for making names for things on average once per published paper, most of them completely useless.
Nasa uses 15 digits of pi for solar system travel. And 42 digits is enough to calculate the entire universe to atomic accuracy
And 65 digits is sufficient to calculate the circumference of the visible universe to within a Planck length.
I know enough digits of pi to calculate the circumference of the universe??
We need MOAR precision!
Technically you can’t measure anything accurately because there’s an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 0. Whose to say it’s exactly 1? It could be off by an infinite amount of 0s and 1.
Achilles and the Tortoise paradox.
Not if your diameter is d/pi. Then your circumference is d, where d > 0.
Check mate atheists.
Well now you can’t find the radius
Radius = d/(2*pi)
In the spirit of the meme this does not constitute “finding” the radius. There doesn’t exist a radius for which both the radius and the circumference are rational numbers.
Check mate matheists.
Ftfy.
Easy. Take a wire that is exactly 1 meter long. Form a circle from the wire. The circumference of that circle is 1 meter.
“exactly”
uh huh. and how are you measuring that?
Laser Measure.
Now the engineers and/or scientists are crying
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You don’t need to, it’s defined. (Lol). If you take a circle with a circumference of 1, then its circumference will be 1… I think I might have lost some braincells reading this.
He obviously meant to say how do you measure that it’s exactly 1m, even when still in a straight line. Exactly being the key word here.
But is the circumference of the outer circle or inner circle 1m? The wire has a nonzero width.
Plancks
Exactly. Use a laser measure to cut a plank, then use that for reference!
I don’t have to measure it. I stick under glass and define it as the standard which all other measurements are derived from.
I will be measuring it in meters. One. There you go.
Ok, you got another source of water - physicists.
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And this why you don’t touch the thermostat.
Joke’s on them, tears are too salty to provide hydration.
Pi is 3.
Ah, the Euler identity. 3^i ^3 -1=0
Rofl :D Well, close enough, and about as sexy when a bit drunk.
Ahem. MathEmaticians.
Also
Does this work with triangles too?
That approach works for area but not for perimeter, because cutting off the corners gives you a shape whose area is closer to the circle’s, but it doesn’t change the perimeter at all.
The lines in this are askew and it’s mildly annoying
They’re there to askew why the logic doesn’t work.
Omfg why can’t I figure out why this does not work. Help me pls
I think it’s because no matter how many corners you cut it’s still an approximation of the
circumferencearea. There’s just an infinite amount of corners that sticks outThere’s just an infinite amount of corners that sticks out
Yes. And that means that it is not an approximation of the circumference.
But it approximates the area of the circle.
True, thanks for the correction
Exactly what I was expecting haha(I mean the video)
Because you never make a circle. You just make a polygon with a perimeter of four and an infinite number of sides as the number of sides approaches infinity.
But if you made a regular polygon, with the number of sides approaching infinity, it would work.
It’s a fractal problem, even if you repeat the cutting until infinite, there are still a roughness with little triangles which you must add to Pi, there are no difference between image 4 and 5, the triangles are still there, smaller but more. But it’s a nice illusion.
Pi = 4! = 4×3×2 = 24
Not true. If you define the circumference in terms of pi, you can define the circumference exactly.
“Find” not “define”
Putting things in base 10 is also a definition. Digits aren’t special.
Was going to say the same. Also π isn’t infinite. Far from it. it’s not even bigger than 4. It’s representation in the decimal system is just so that it can’t be written there with a finite number of decimal places. But you could just write “π”. It’s short, concise and exact.
And by that definition 0.1 is also infinite… My computer can’t write that with a finite amount of digits in base 2, which it uses internally.
So… I’m crying salty tears, too.
[Edit: And we don’t even need transcendental numbers or other number systems. A third also doesn’t have a representation. So again following the logic… you can divide a cake into 5 pieces, but never into 3?!]
Not sure where you’re going with the decimal thing. Pi had infinite digits in any integer base because it’s irrational.
I thought that was the joke in the comic? That we can’t know numbers exactly that have an infinite decimal expansion. That’d be true for some rational numbers like a third, if you change the basis of the numeral system it’d be different numbers. And irrational numbers too if you have a integer base. But I’d argue how we write down a number isn’t what determines exactness or ‘infinity’ by the words of the comic.
Can pi be expressed with a finite amount of digits in another number system?
I don’t think there’s any technical reason we can’t count in base pi
Well we need an integer base number system…
“A base is usually a whole number bigger than 1, although non-integer bases are also mathematically possible.”
I’m pretty happy with being able to write integers in a finite number of digits. Wouldn’t want to give that up.
How about a pi based system, then pi is 1.
Possible, but then the diameter would be an irrational number
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You’re correct.
For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-integer_base_of_numeration
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That doesnt make a difference. You can find the exact circumference of a circle, you just cant express it in the decimal system as a number (thats why we have a symbol for it so you can still express the exact value)
Besides measuring it with a measuring tape.
Prove it.
m e a s u r e
Bah, the universe is too messy and disordered to be worth the trouble
The circumference of a circle with a diameter of 1 cm is exactly π cm. There you have it.
More likely a mathematician would correct you instead of crying. Pi is not infinite, its decimal expansion is infinite!
Exactly, a fraction is completely as valid of a way to express a number as using a decimal.
1/2 = 0.5
They’re both fully valid ways to write the exact same quantity
This was my first thought and then I realized I had been nerd sniped.
This is the correct answer. Pi is known. What it’s decimal expansion looks like is irrelevant. It’s 1 in base Pi.
Yup, similar to the square root of two and Euler’s number.
These are numbers defined by their properties and not their exact values. In fact, we have imaginary numbers that don’t have values and yet are still extremely useful because of their defined properties.
Its decimal expansion is finite in the base pi.
1?
No 10. 1 is the same number in any base.
In my experience, 1 is equivalent with 1’s in other base… this particularly applies for base-ball
Plus even that isn’t enough: 10/3 has an infinite decimal expansion (in base 10 at least) too, but if π = 10/3, you’d be able to find exact circumferences. Its irrationality is what makes it relevant to this joke.
A mathematician is also perfectly happy with answers like “4π” as exact.
Plus what’s to stop you from having a rational circumference but irrational radius?
Writing this, I feel like I might have accidentally proved your point.
Mathematicians taking a physics class and being told they have to round things. That’s when the tears start flowing.
The actual punchline here should have been “there is no known equation to calculate the exact perimeter of an ellipse”, then sucking tears from an astrophysicist
Try it when you find some physicist that cares about exact values. Or when you see pigs flying over your head, both are about as likely.
Perfectly spherical pigs?
Would go well with my former teacher’s point-shaped cows.
I see, you were never at a Pink Floyd concert
