You know, where dissenters get downvoted.
Here’s my one and only reply, who the fuck cares if you get downvotes. This isn’t reddit and you shouldn’t base your whole life on Internet points. If you don’t like the progressive viewpoints that most places like this attract to open minded and free thinkers, then either block those communities or find someplace that’s a better fit for you. I find people with similar viewpoints, but newsflash, the world outside MAGA world isn’t a right wing mob. The majority of the world are more “leftist”.
No, I’ve seen a diverse range of views, including several explicitly postliberal ones.
Unless you’re using “liberal” as lazy shorthand for the US left-wing, in which case still no, because it’s not an echo chamber, but yes, views that are left-of-(American)-center are predominant.
Postliberal?
Some ideologies are illiberal because they predate liberalism. Some illiberal ideologies came after, but explicitly reject liberalism. Almost all postliberal ideologies (almost all illiberal ideologies in general, as a rule) are considered pretty extreme.
In the politics communities, yes. Just block them. You will be a happier person.
With federation lemmy is many different echo chambers.
So like a chaos chamber
I haven’t seen that. The Fediverse in general is more left & libertarian than liberal or conservative. You almost by definition have to be a little quirky and care about privacy or the shared commons enough to seek out alternatives to centralized, corporate social media. So, in terms of American politics, you’ll find more true independents and people who vote for 3rd parties than your normie conservative Republicans or liberal/neoliberal Democrats.
So, dissent in general is definitely appreciated on the Fediverse — we’re all here because we opted out of some popular social network — but if you’re trying to hate on or control some people you’ve never met, you’ll probably get downvoted by leftists and libertarians. But being downvoted doesn’t make it an echo chamber. It usually means you stepped outside yours.
Just look at the removed comments from political communities in the modlog. Every non-liberal view is swiftly silenced. It’s even in the rules of many big instances, written in a ulterior fashion, so as to not rouse suspicion
I mean, there is https://exploding-heads.com/ and a few others that are happily on the other side of the political spectrum.
People here proved your own point. You got downvoted
They’re getting downvoted because “Is this place a ____ echo chamber where dissenters get downvoted?” is a pretty shit topic for an AskLemmy thread.
And because “downvotes anyone complaining about downvotes” is a holdover from reddit culture. One worth keeping, perhaps.
I suspect it predates Reddit culture by at least a few hundred thousand years. People don’t like bitching. I mean… we love bitching, we just don’t want to hear others do it.
We do if we can join in, to be fair. Nothing like a complain circle to build camaraderie.
Why is it a shit topic? Where else should they ask it then?
I mean, going off the community description, it’s neither “open ended” nor particularly “thought provoking”, so I think downvotes are perfectly warranted.
ETA: the “you know, where dissenters get downvoted” also seems pretty bait-y because it presumes that downvotes indicate dissent rather than indicating a lack of value to the community/discussion.
I actually didn’t read the community description. Thanks for pointing that out.
What is “liberal” in your understanding? Cause that term is like Plasticine.
Liberal views are like progressive and leftist.
So murican “Liberalism”
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Well, I know that part about the FOSS spirit and dissatisfaction with big corporations controlling the internet. Anyhow, I’ve seen here many occasions of what I would call a tactical voting where well formulated and polite comments get downvoted.
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Lemmy is Free Open Source Software allowing anyone to host a content aggregator website. Lemmy instances can federate with each other to make it look like one big website to users. It was created from the ground up to avoid corporate influence.
A group of people working together towards a common goal while doing their best to avoid corporate influence is probably going to be mostly liberal minded.
I don’t see much of an echochamber though, although that’s probably because I block a lot of it. I prefer a post have a well thought out argument rather than “lol conservatives dumb”. If someone had a well thought out reason for being against a liberal policy I’d give it an upvote. It’s just that these rarely exist. It’s mostly just reactionary comments.
Less so than reddit.
Yes I think so. The large majority prefers downvoting, and that’s why the largest instances have it enabled.
You can still join an instance that has it disabled though. I personally strongly prefer no downvotes and that’s why I’m on Lemmy.today.
I partly agree with you but I’m afraid it still won’t stop voting along political lines.
More left wing than right wing just like Reddit.
Given that anyone could set up their own instance with whatever rules they like, I don’t think it would make sense to say that “Lemmy” is “liberal”. It’s kind of like asking if email is liberal.
However, it is certainly the case that different instances have different political leanings as established by the instance administrators.
Likewise, communities are governed by their moderators, but as this is Lemmy, if you don’t like the way the moderators run their community, you can create a community of your own. Then you can have an echo chamber filled with everyone who agrees with you!
So, it is what we make of it. We can have liberal, center, or conservative echo chambers if that’s what we want, or we can have knock down drag out fights with people who will never agree with us.
It’s important to remember that in Lemmy downvotes are like the points in Whose Line Is it Anyway: they don’t matter.
I totally agree. We can have whatever political direction that we choose, nevertheless in practice it seems the majority of Lemmy is liberal & progressive & leftist. There is obviously nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is downvoting & upvoting along these political lines and disregarding how well is each idea formulated. It does happen too often in my opinion.
Like you, all can vote using whatever metrics they see fit. I don’t care if you downvote cripples and Klingons. Ideally if a given community is worth a shit, the net tally will show as such.
Very much so. Some subs more than others though.
It’s one thing to lean left, but to drown out other views, well that’s the big problem. Being able to hear other views, and even sometimes arguing topics only ends up making your arguments better. But too many subs don’t want that. Honing your argument as to why your view is better is a good thing. Shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming no, no, no just because someone is a little less or a little more liberal or conservative than yourself is the problem.
