Or why is it that managers need managers to manage their management? 🤔
For a real answer:
A manager can control what is done under them, but if one of their teams/members needs something done by another team they have no control.
Their manager might control the manager of the other team though, so the decision goes up the line until it hits someone who has both sides of a problem under them and can make the decisions on priorities/cost etc of the requested action.
In small companies, this may just be one or two layers, but in bigger companies it becomes a disfunctional disaster.
This is because managing is the easy part of the job. You have to have someone to push and threaten you to do MORE and MORE for the same or less pay, then dangle that carrot in front of you and keep moving goalposts.
source: was a top manager in the country of a certain tire chain.
Managers cant even manage deez nuts.
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I love me a good manager. Luckily I was able to work with a few in my lifetime. The good ones have no problems managing your and their own work.
It sounds like you have an example to share.
Luckily I’ve been self-managing with a rather free-form management style for the last few years! But I have now updated the original post to clarify my point.
When I was in warehousing, it seemed like it was the people to kissed the most ass that ended up in management, not the people that were capable. The quietly competent workers stayed in entry level positions, some of them for decades. And over time, more and more of these positions are created till you have guys that do nothing except drive to different warehouses for ‘inspections’. We’d have 3 or 4 different managers come through multiple times a year, rent a convertible to drive across the country, stay in hotels, have all meals paid, to walk into a warehouse for 15 minutes and then leave. Sometimes one would come just weeks after another. We always had to work extra hard to make sure the warehouse is spotless, and they often wouldn’t even walk around.
Meanwhile, we might get a pizza once or twice a year, and wages were capped. Ask for a raise? Can’t afford it sadly
if you need the manager to come to make sure the warehouse is spotless, do you even do your work when the manager not around 🤷🏻♂️
You’ve never worked somewhere when “higher ups” are coming? Supervisors start freaking out and obsessing over the smallest details, and most of the time the people coming either never set foot in the building or they have no clue what they’re looking at in the first place.
It is not easy to manage oneself, but easier to manage others. Like a mother can get her children to brush their teeth and reminde them to do so, but she may not brush her own teeth. Very good manager are however very organized and efficient. They do manage themselves.
It seems that managers managing the managers cannot manage to manage the management of managers and therefore we need managers to manage the management of managers managing the management of managers.
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
It’s a hierarchy. You have a department, or other such division, with a manager to coordinate it. Then you have a manager who manages all the departments, or a subsection thereof, to coordinate them; this is “managing managers” and typically more complex due to the interdisciplinary nature. Then you have managers to manage the manager-managers, who oversee entire regions or similar sectors.
Sometimes manager-manager managers are necessary, but if you need managers to micromanage manager-managers, your organization has problems
Kelly- I manage my department, and I been doing it for several years now…
Jim- Your department is just you right?
Kelly- Yes Jim, but I’m not easy to manage…
manager here. I’m just a jerry. I kept crawling, and it kept working. I don’t like it any more than you.
I made it to jnr management by being too stubborn to resign under any of the previous ones.
Checkmate, managers
Shit floats, as they say.
