@BarterClub That person should be mad that Amazon pays so little, not that another worker gets the same as them. This is one of the huge problems in the U.S., the lack of worker solidarity.
Amazon *CAN* pay more for example, but chooses not to, so Bezos, etc. can make more money for themselves.
Everyone working a job full time deserves a living wage. That payment needs to be equivalent to whatever the cost of living is in their area.
It’s no secret that wages have been stagnating and the top level employees, investors, and CEOs have been benefiting.
We really need wealth equally, or at least something more equal than we have now.
Eat the rich, you say?
Yes!
This whole living wage thing is starting to sound communist. Maybe instead we’d better skip the fuss and just give everyone the food, shelter, clothing, and base amenities needed to survive as a fundamental human right, and not worry about payment. That’ll show those fucking lefties all obsessed with minimum wage increases!
That lady needs to learn the difference between net worth and income.
Isn’t this the american way? as long as someone is doing worse, then you’re doing better? If a guyu fliping burgers makes more than you, go flip burgers!
fridge temp iq labourer.
Packing a box is skilled labor?
All labour is skilled labor. Unskilled labour was created by capitalists as a flimsy justification for paying people unlivable wages. ANY labour deserves a livable wage. Needing a second job is an injustice.
Now that being said, packing boxes for Amazon is 100% unskilled labour. A machine spits out the box template sheet with creases where the cardboard sheet should be folded to turn it into a box within seconds. Another machine prints the receipt that goes inside, and Another machine spits out an appropriate amount of packing to make sure the product stays in place inside the box. Another machine spits out a calculated amount of tape. Another machine spits out the info sticker that needs to be stuck on the outside. Does this need a lot of skill or training? I don’t think so, no.
Technically neither are since they don’t require a recognised qualification to be eligible to apply.
I mean… Just as logically though, they both are… Any shit takes practice to get good at really.
That’s not what the term means though. These are actual, real terms, that denote the amount of qualification needed to do a job.
Good, not really, efficient, hell yeah. And efficient is what makes money and thus companies should really be interested in experienced workers, no matter how you call that state.
McDonald’s definitely don’t care if their employees are effective or not. And they don’t reward effectiveness so what’s the point in trying.
If McDonalds didn’t care about effectiveness they wouldn’t be a household name, let alone an international corporation. People talk down about fast food, but it isn’t their business strategies that are bad.
I think the problem is that people don’t get paid enough to care anymore. Not even the managers. There’s too much wealth hoarding at the top in the US.
Oh just wait. We’re getting closer and closer to “graduate degree minimum requirement for all janitorial positions…”
No, that’s why temping agencies easily fill warehouse positions
Lol
my thoughts too
skilled labor is capitalist propaganda to keep wages low
The reply to that tweet makes a lot of sense and it’s been around for a while. Why doesn’t this change more people’s minds? It changed mine the first time I saw it.
The burgers at McDonalds are flipped by a machine now I thought? They may have replaced those workers?
I think they replaced half the cashiers here, but not at every branch. Do you have machine cooks at your McD?
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I had this argument with someone on FB many years ago and it basically amounted to “I am above fry cooks”.
So, classism basically.
Classism!? How can you be classist against your own class.
I have a shit job that pays shit all but its better than your equally shit job that pays an equally shit wage…
Wtf is wrong with people?
Ita like theres a big turd and everyone just wants to be able to touch the turd but some people are touching a bit of the turd thats higher up the turd, some are touching the highest bit of the turd thats almost touching rhe ceiling. Those touching the top of the turd think they are better than those touching the bottom. And those touching the middle think they are better than those touching the bottom and want to be the ones touching the top. Those at the bottom resent the others and wish they could touch any part of the turd that wasnt at the bottom and everyone fights each other to climb the turd.
Meanwhile amazon is wiping that turd off their shoe.
They think of themselves as middle class and burger flippers as lower class.
It’s crazy but they don’t see working class vs. capitalist class.
But yeah, a lot of it turned out to be about prestige. If the burger flipper makes as much as me then I’m no better than them. I.e. I can’t keep telling myself well at least I’m not at the bottom.
Because most people have the notion that the money Bezos makes is deserved. Society has been conditioned into believing that the value of their labor is set by the capital owner(s) and the owner is entitled to as much profits as they desire because they’re the owner. It’s a huge undertaking to question societal norms and reject the capitalist value of labor. It’s especially daunting when the opposing ideas have been presented as blasphemous and condensed under the umbrella term of “Socialism”, which itself has been demonized into an evil ideology that is fully incompatible with democracy and freedom.
Why does everybody need to keep checking their notes?
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Checks notes… We don’t know.
I can’t read anything after I see “checks notes” or “chefs kiss” anymore.
The most “unskilled” people I have met have been white collar yuppies. This whole “skilled” and “unskilled” terminology is a scam
It’s not though, even if it’s misused sometimes( like in the OP)
obvious sarcasm. i don’t get how she doesn’t get that
lmaooo bezos owns an entire company and you’re mad that you flip burgers and get payed less?
The Amazon guy was shitting on cooks for being “unskilled” yet packing boxes is “unskilled”
Try to keep up
Look, despite all the data to the contrary, civilization is best suited to a few very rich people and the unequal distribution of wealth.
Even better if the workers fight each other.
/s
Why eliminate poverty when you can just eliminate the impoverished?
Then who will you look down on? When you life is nothing but frenemies you’re in competition, when you have some reminder of the things you did to the world over money that means less than video game points, when you realize the people who cheer you actually are just cheering for the company you bought and the people you squeeze dry and discard. When you accidentally see a post from a hater and realize not only do they have a point, they also know you better than your fans.
In the quiet moments, when feelings of emptiness and anger at the world you played an active role ruining, you get to look down on them.
You must be living a great life, because just watch how they put on a smile and dance not because you’ll pay well (you won’t), but out of fear that your mild annoyance could wreck their life. That the kids you forced them to have could be taken because they’re already on the brink of homelessness, and they need this job. The fear that just for funsies, you might make a few calls and have their life methodically torn apart.
And that’s why they won’t try to kill us. We keep their little dominance games less adversarial. We’re not the game pieces, we’re the board - and if the board shrinks there’s a chance of actually losing the game.
We make them feel powerful and superior, because here’s the thing - no one who has a billion dollars and keeps actively working to make more is doing it because they’re happy - at that level they’re not even doing it because they like the game - millionaires might enjoy it, but it’s like playing poker with a 5¢ buy in - they’d be building something for free if it was about building things or making deals - they’ve already maxed out how lavish a life can be
No, they’re doing it for respect from their peers. Because they think it’ll make them respected by the people they respect, but it won’t. But they were raised to believe money was worth, because what’s the alternative - to recognize you deserve none of it?
No, the truth is, this world sucks for everyone. Some people find joy anyways, but most of us just have varying degrees of mental illness
The reason this person is only making $16 dollars an hour is because they …. Checks notes
Think packing boxes is ‘skilled labor’
There is no such thing as unskilled labour
I suggest you take some time to educate yourself on the terms of the discussion
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/skilled-labor
Skill: the ability to do something well.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/unskilled-labor.asp
Someone working in a low wage position or position that does not require higher education does not mean that their labour is unskilled. If you are upset that someone in an “unskilled labour” position getting a living wage would mean that they make more than you do in a “skilled” position, it doesn’t mean that theyre being paid too much for their labour… It means your labour is also being undervalued.
Stop falling into the trap of shaming your fellow man for wanting to be able to live.
I don’t care what anyone else makes, but don’t confuse the definition for the term that you made up in your head about what you want it to mean with what the term actually means.
I don’t know why you people are so obsessed with changing the language. What’s the difference between unskilled labor and low wage labor? It’s describing the same thing.
Changing the terms doesn’t change the reality.
For reference, I didn’t make up any definitions, terms or anything else. The definition of skill I provided is from Oxford dictionary. The concept of “low-wage labour” that investopedia proposes has roots in Marx’s writings circa 1877. Call it what you want to call it, define it how you want to define it. Stop using it as an excuse to pay people unlivable wages.
Who is “you people” by the way, I’m always curious what group I’m being put into when the group isn’t named.
And for what it’s worth, changing terms doesn’t change the reality, but understanding of reality can necessitate changing the terms. Re: Carlin, yes it seems soft that the brutalistic name of “shell shock” was eventually softened to “post traumatic stress disorder” because we finally understood the condition better. Carlin’s suggesting that the change to PTSD was anything other than a rebranding of accuracy is a misunderstanding of the condition at best and disingenuous at worst. I love Carlin but he wasn’t some all knowing God-King.
We aren’t defining ‘skill’ we are defining ‘skilled labor’ and ‘unskilled labor’. Different terms.
I’m not going to use communist ‘Marxist’ language, why would I do that?
‘You people’ are the communists.
Your explaination of the change in language totally misses the point. The language, whatever that may be, does not change the condition. No matter what. We are still talking about the exact same condition, what we call it means very little.
Same with labor. Skilled labor is a very specific term, as is unskilled labor. Your issue seems to be that you’re offended by the use of ‘unskilled’, in this context it has a specific meaning that is not what you’re attributing to it IE ‘requiring no skill’.
I don’t care what they think is skilled or unskilled. Everyone who does honest work deserves a living wage.
How much would you pay a teenager to cut your lawn for the summer? $50k?
People who mow lawns for a living don’t tend to only handle one clients lawn… This is a bit silly.
Every job can be done well or badly.
You think 2/3 of the country get paid shit because they’re bad at their jobs?
No I mean every job requires skill and therefore they’re skilled labor.
People have been taught to punch down, when they should be punching up.
