@BarterClub That person should be mad that Amazon pays so little, not that another worker gets the same as them. This is one of the huge problems in the U.S., the lack of worker solidarity.
Amazon *CAN* pay more for example, but chooses not to, so Bezos, etc. can make more money for themselves.
fridge temp iq labourer.
“Skilled labor” lmao.
Beat me to it, that’s like saying my washing dishes and talking to old people for a living is skilled labor
I mean, isn’t it? There’s a reason we have TV shows where we record the CEO fucking up doing the “least skilled” jobs in their organization. It’s easy to film because there’s always another dumbass CEO who doesn’t know what they’re in for.
I work a job where I get to interact with everyone else’s jobs, and I haven’t run into a single one that I could confidently call “unskilled”.
This is an example of how capitalists have spent decades manipulating people into thinking their enemy was anyone else except the capitalists.
Does packing boxes really count as skilled labor? I would have assumed it would be unskilled labor just like the burger flipper.
That’s the big lie the right wants you to believe; there’s no such thing as unskilled labor. You have to learn every job you start. Flipping burgers, packing boxes, cleaning, washing dishes, etc all have a learning curve. There is no job you can walk in off the street and start doing without previous knowledge.
As a former warehouse worker and shipping clerk, it is 100% unskilled labor. We would sometimes hire temp workers for really busy periods, and it would take about 30 minutes to train them.
Listen bud. Labor is labor. All of it takes some skill. You still had to “train” or teach a skill to the one performing the labor.
Yeah, and as someone who works in QA for a carrier repacking some of those boxes I can tell. Shippers really don’t seem to care that their packages don’t even make it to the shipping phase, let alone through our damn building.
obvious sarcasm. i don’t get how she doesn’t get that
The reason this person is only making $16 dollars an hour is because they …. Checks notes
Think packing boxes is ‘skilled labor’
I don’t care what they think is skilled or unskilled. Everyone who does honest work deserves a living wage.
How much would you pay a teenager to cut your lawn for the summer? $50k?
People who mow lawns for a living don’t tend to only handle one clients lawn… This is a bit silly.
Every job can be done well or badly.
You think 2/3 of the country get paid shit because they’re bad at their jobs?
No I mean every job requires skill and therefore they’re skilled labor.
There is no such thing as unskilled labour
I suggest you take some time to educate yourself on the terms of the discussion
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/skilled-labor
Skill: the ability to do something well.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/unskilled-labor.asp
Someone working in a low wage position or position that does not require higher education does not mean that their labour is unskilled. If you are upset that someone in an “unskilled labour” position getting a living wage would mean that they make more than you do in a “skilled” position, it doesn’t mean that theyre being paid too much for their labour… It means your labour is also being undervalued.
Stop falling into the trap of shaming your fellow man for wanting to be able to live.
I don’t care what anyone else makes, but don’t confuse the definition for the term that you made up in your head about what you want it to mean with what the term actually means.
I don’t know why you people are so obsessed with changing the language. What’s the difference between unskilled labor and low wage labor? It’s describing the same thing.
Changing the terms doesn’t change the reality.
For reference, I didn’t make up any definitions, terms or anything else. The definition of skill I provided is from Oxford dictionary. The concept of “low-wage labour” that investopedia proposes has roots in Marx’s writings circa 1877. Call it what you want to call it, define it how you want to define it. Stop using it as an excuse to pay people unlivable wages.
Who is “you people” by the way, I’m always curious what group I’m being put into when the group isn’t named.
And for what it’s worth, changing terms doesn’t change the reality, but understanding of reality can necessitate changing the terms. Re: Carlin, yes it seems soft that the brutalistic name of “shell shock” was eventually softened to “post traumatic stress disorder” because we finally understood the condition better. Carlin’s suggesting that the change to PTSD was anything other than a rebranding of accuracy is a misunderstanding of the condition at best and disingenuous at worst. I love Carlin but he wasn’t some all knowing God-King.
We aren’t defining ‘skill’ we are defining ‘skilled labor’ and ‘unskilled labor’. Different terms.
I’m not going to use communist ‘Marxist’ language, why would I do that?
‘You people’ are the communists.
Your explaination of the change in language totally misses the point. The language, whatever that may be, does not change the condition. No matter what. We are still talking about the exact same condition, what we call it means very little.
Same with labor. Skilled labor is a very specific term, as is unskilled labor. Your issue seems to be that you’re offended by the use of ‘unskilled’, in this context it has a specific meaning that is not what you’re attributing to it IE ‘requiring no skill’.
lmaooo bezos owns an entire company and you’re mad that you flip burgers and get payed less?
The Amazon guy was shitting on cooks for being “unskilled” yet packing boxes is “unskilled”
Try to keep up
Look, despite all the data to the contrary, civilization is best suited to a few very rich people and the unequal distribution of wealth.
Even better if the workers fight each other.
/s
Why eliminate poverty when you can just eliminate the impoverished?
Then who will you look down on? When you life is nothing but frenemies you’re in competition, when you have some reminder of the things you did to the world over money that means less than video game points, when you realize the people who cheer you actually are just cheering for the company you bought and the people you squeeze dry and discard. When you accidentally see a post from a hater and realize not only do they have a point, they also know you better than your fans.
In the quiet moments, when feelings of emptiness and anger at the world you played an active role ruining, you get to look down on them.
You must be living a great life, because just watch how they put on a smile and dance not because you’ll pay well (you won’t), but out of fear that your mild annoyance could wreck their life. That the kids you forced them to have could be taken because they’re already on the brink of homelessness, and they need this job. The fear that just for funsies, you might make a few calls and have their life methodically torn apart.
And that’s why they won’t try to kill us. We keep their little dominance games less adversarial. We’re not the game pieces, we’re the board - and if the board shrinks there’s a chance of actually losing the game.
We make them feel powerful and superior, because here’s the thing - no one who has a billion dollars and keeps actively working to make more is doing it because they’re happy - at that level they’re not even doing it because they like the game - millionaires might enjoy it, but it’s like playing poker with a 5¢ buy in - they’d be building something for free if it was about building things or making deals - they’ve already maxed out how lavish a life can be
No, they’re doing it for respect from their peers. Because they think it’ll make them respected by the people they respect, but it won’t. But they were raised to believe money was worth, because what’s the alternative - to recognize you deserve none of it?
No, the truth is, this world sucks for everyone. Some people find joy anyways, but most of us just have varying degrees of mental illness
Isn’t this the american way? as long as someone is doing worse, then you’re doing better? If a guyu fliping burgers makes more than you, go flip burgers!
That lady needs to learn the difference between net worth and income.
skilled labor is capitalist propaganda to keep wages low
Amazon workers cant take breaks and have to pee in bottles. Probably thats what they were referring to as skill?
The skill is “pain tolerance”.
Why does everybody need to keep checking their notes?
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I can’t read anything after I see “checks notes” or “chefs kiss” anymore.
Checks notes… We don’t know.
Packing a box is skilled labor?
my thoughts too
No, that’s why temping agencies easily fill warehouse positions
Lol
Technically neither are since they don’t require a recognised qualification to be eligible to apply.
I mean… Just as logically though, they both are… Any shit takes practice to get good at really.
That’s not what the term means though. These are actual, real terms, that denote the amount of qualification needed to do a job.
Good, not really, efficient, hell yeah. And efficient is what makes money and thus companies should really be interested in experienced workers, no matter how you call that state.
McDonald’s definitely don’t care if their employees are effective or not. And they don’t reward effectiveness so what’s the point in trying.
If McDonalds didn’t care about effectiveness they wouldn’t be a household name, let alone an international corporation. People talk down about fast food, but it isn’t their business strategies that are bad.
I think the problem is that people don’t get paid enough to care anymore. Not even the managers. There’s too much wealth hoarding at the top in the US.
Oh just wait. We’re getting closer and closer to “graduate degree minimum requirement for all janitorial positions…”
All labour is skilled labor. Unskilled labour was created by capitalists as a flimsy justification for paying people unlivable wages. ANY labour deserves a livable wage. Needing a second job is an injustice.
Now that being said, packing boxes for Amazon is 100% unskilled labour. A machine spits out the box template sheet with creases where the cardboard sheet should be folded to turn it into a box within seconds. Another machine prints the receipt that goes inside, and Another machine spits out an appropriate amount of packing to make sure the product stays in place inside the box. Another machine spits out a calculated amount of tape. Another machine spits out the info sticker that needs to be stuck on the outside. Does this need a lot of skill or training? I don’t think so, no.
