“Just as Coleman fired twice, another gun appeared to fly from Rogers’ hand into a front yard.” Surely the cop had no reason to shoot…
I 100% agree. The victim was running away, so there was no reason to shoot.
Even if he had a gun? Something that’s made specifically to kill people and no citizen should get to own?
Weird how ya’ll are pro-gun all of a sudden, even more pro-gun than the typical pro-gun nuts. Lol.
Slightly clickbait: Bodycam battery died
Slightly clickbait: Bodycam battery died
Assuming you take the cops at their word. Because they have such a great track record of telling the truth when it comes to body cams (or literally anything for that matter).
It’s funny how when cops do something good, nobody knows or gives a shit, but when a cop shoots someone, everyone starts going crazy and comment “ACAB” everywhere.
Them doing something good is supposed to be the status qo.
There are plenty of tough jobs that require more praise where not doing a good job doesnt equal killing people.
Now i don’t align with acab, i know that its statistically not true, but rotten apples will spoil the basket and i haven’t seen a law enforcement that looked trustworthy and helpful in a long time.
Well of course you haven’t seen law enforcement being helpful, between “Police shot an armed bank robber and everyone else is unharmed” and “Police shot an unarmed teenager”, what do you think will get more public attention? It’s definitely not “Police helped an old woman crossed the street”, nobody gives a fuck about that, I’ve run into both good and bad cops and even I don’t care.
And it gets attention because it shouldn’t happen, yet the police over there keep killing people they shouldn’t.
And how does it justify saying “All cops are bastards”? What makes you think ALL cops are bad? Every single one? Or maybe there are two sides of a coin and you just straight up refuse to accept the fact that the other side exists? Tell me, if you hate cops that much, would you call them if your children get kidnap? And what would happen to society if the police or any group that enforce the law is no more?
Do good cops out the bad ones? Nope. They’ll just let them do their corrupt bullshit making them complicit in the harm they do. Do we need cops? Yes. Do we need cops murdering civilians without serious consequence?
How about you show me the number of people killed by police and the number of people helped by police in a year? Also, based on you “logic”, cops aren’t supposed to do anything good, they have to kill people constantly in order to be cops, if a cop doesn’t do any of that, they are not a cop? And since you didn’t answer my questions. Imma ask them again: “And how does it justify saying “All cops are bastards”? What makes you think ALL cops are bad? Every single one? Or maybe there are two sides of a coin and you just straight up refuse to accept the fact that the other side exists? Tell me, if you hate cops that much, would you call them if your children get kidnap? And what would happen to society if the police or any group that enforce the law is no more?” Oh and an extra one: If ALL cops are bad, every single one of them, how come there aren’t riots or resistance EVERYWHERE?
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That’s kinda like complaining about how nobody talks about how airlines keep planes flying and landing successfully, how the media only focuses on planes crashing and accidents. “Sure, this one airline covered up poor maintenance practices leading to deaths, but what about all the passengers airlines help everyday?”
Imagine airlines get to investigate themselves instead of the FAA and how it would go over when they find they did nothing wrong every time.
You can’t stand next to a guy like this and retain your moral authority. The spoiled apple ruins the entire barrel.
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I’ll reply “ACAB” on posts of cops doing the right thing, too. The first A isn’t just for show.
The sheriff’s office did not release body camera video of the shooting as the sheriff’s office said Officer Joshua Coleman’s body camera batteries died before the pursuit and he hadn’t been able to return to the charging station.
How the fuck do they not have 12 charged backup batteries and 2 chargers in every car?!?!? I mean, I know how, but what the actual fuck.
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Worth every penny, and far from a large expense for cop budgets.
The LAPD cost more than 50% of the ENTIRE LA budget. Just the cops. Everything else combined costs less than one department.
If that footage is safe/secure/available and makes these murderous thugs think twice about pulling the trigger, then its worth twice the price.
Good PR.
Yeah this should cost less than half that per patrol.
Even for a small town, the yearly budget is likely in the millions of dollars. 60k/year shouldn’t be a crippling expense.
This logic doesn’t really track because every expense that makes up their current budget is made up of many smaller expenses just like this.
Every expense has to be guarded, that’s how budgets work. Each additional expense without a budgetary increase means that those expenses have to be taken out of something else.
Lol, that’s crazy.
Definitely getting scammed. There’s no reason for it to be that expensive.
Just use your own brains, purchase your own cameras, and use your own storage. $60k per year? Yeah. You all are definitely getting scammed.
But useful idiots will see otherwise, as they always do.
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You have no clue what you are talking about.
Even if you would come up with some gopros in fancy casing, 8-9h/day of uncompressed, 1080p video that has to be hosted “in the cloud” (and transferred via 4g or the) for each and every cop adds up pretty quickly.
And don’t mind that they surely find every way possible to break them, so take them as basically consumables along with the batteries and the casings…
Do you have any idea how everything cops use is expensive, because it’s “for law enforcement”?
60k$/yr is negligible in a department’s budget and especially for the value it adds (even with POS cops).
EDIT: the videos are most certainly compressed! But my argument is that it still remains pretty large files to upload and host.
We’re talking ~10TB of video data a year per officer, for relatively high bitrate 8Mb/s video. Assuming there’s a solid 10 hours a day of footage, and they’re working 5 days a week.
For a small town department of say 6. That’s 60TB/y.
If you use even the most expensive large storage provider (AWS S3), that’s ~$19k/y in storage costs. If you use a more appropriate one for encrypted bulk storage like Backblaze, that’s a measly ~$5k/y.
So, per officer. You have ~$800/y (ceilinged to be liberal with the cost) per year, compounding, for storage.
In either case you are grossly overestimating storage costs.
4G transmission costs are going to be expensive, but they shouldn’t be much more expensive than the storage costs, data transfer is relatively cheap when you’re paying for business services.
Id be willing to bet the batteries were just fine. Or intentionally not charged.
I’m going to take the under on that bet
You’re telling me the police statement lied??? I am SHOCKED. yeah right.
Police statement are always false, always. Never believe them. That’s why I didn’t buy it a few days ago when everyone on Lemmy was saying the kid deserved it
What was the lie?
When they claimed he was shot as he was advancing on the cops. When in fact he was shot when he was running away
What was the statement?
I don’t have it off the top of my head, but the usual “he was running at us blasting so we had to do it”
Wow. Anyone who believes this at face value is part of the problem.
Misinformation and propaganda are spread on all sides, guys. Try to rise above it even if you like it.
(most of you won’t)
It’s funny to me how you’re immediately sabotaging all the points you’re trying to make by being a dick about it.
I will say that at least in this case the kid had guns. Usually they don’t even have that and get murdered. This is more justified than usual cop involved shootings, but still not justified. The fact that a lot of the others get away with it tell me this guy probably will too.
So he got killed for dropping the guns when told to? The article may not be explicit enough with the timeline, but at least implies that
Well, he dropped one of the guns. The other didn’t leave his hand until shot, per the video. So for whatever reason he hadn’t let go of the second gun. He didn’t manage to do anything vaguely looking like aiming the gun, but he certainly hadn’t dropped the second gun at the point he got shot.
Think this is a tough one to use for either side of the argument. On the one hand, he didn’t quite manage to raise the gun or face the officer. On the other hand he might have been about to find some cover and return fire too quickly for the officer to react, since the gun was in hand, depending on what was in front of them.
Which is crazy because any doctor (or coroner) would recognize an entrance wound in the back.
Officer Joshua Coleman chased and shot an 18 year old in the back while they ran. Then had the audacity to tell him “I’m going to save your life.”. This is the fifth (as if this article) shooting that this lunatic has been involved in. He was previously found to have bent tip(s) on his badge, which is something cops do to mark their fatal shootings. ACAB.
“I’m going to save your life” reeks of his God complex. He knows better than his damn government. And I wonder how long his camera battery has been dead. How many days.
I only know ONE police officer personally. And he’s a huge egotistic sack of racist shit.
A good friend of mine has an older brother that is a state trooper and I have heard him say … “… A dead suspect can’t defend himself in court” multiple times.
But I also my tenant who is a new state trooper and he is the nicest guy I have ever met. Maybe he isn’t tainted yet.
My father is a retired cop and a genuinely good guy. Despite that, he still listens to Conservative radio and rants about the rising crime rates and how the US needs to do a better job of enforcing the “rule of law”. No matter how nice a cop may be, they still participate in a system that hammers into them that the only way to reduce crime is more policing. It’s a system that perpetuates itself by spreading fear.
Ya, probably my tenant isn’t tainted then.
I knew 5 and they were all at least wife-beaters, and 3 beat their children.
I work in municipal government, and different departments have very different police. It really comes diem to leadership and accountability.
In my last city, the police department wasn’t founded until around 2010. The city manager who hired all their leadership at the beginning was a black man who had seen bad policing in his day.
They started with the understanding that shit don’t fly. They all wore body cams from the moment the department was founded. They get most of their hires fresh from the academies so they haven’t been tainted. They focus on public safety and compliance instead of punishment (in 2023 they wrote 4 tickets between 20 officers). It’s a great department.
My current city is different. They exist to chase poor people and minorities out of the city. When there was a major collapse in a road, I (the maps and permits guy) was out there flagging traffic myself because the police chief didn’t see it (public safety) as their problem. They go to the"warrior cop" seminars and just meet every stereotye of the bad cop.
The rest of the city staff hates them for a million reasons, but primarily because they’re useless. We could just use the county sheriff’s office and highway patrol and achieve everything we need to, but instead over half our staff positions are wasted on police when we don’t even have a public works department or city engineer.
I think the problem with every system that involves any sort of centralized power (hint: almost all of them) that, no matter how well intentioned the original vision was, it is human nature to eventually get drunk off their newfound authority and start abusing it
That sounds so ideal, and something I feel like my city would be all about. According to newspapers, they just keep insisting that nobody wants the job. Nobody applying to any open position, so they’re hiring anyone capable
i read the article, saw the video and asked mysel
don’t they have any law enforcement there ???
And I’m guessing the paperwork filled at the time was lying about this detail
This officer deserves to be imprisoned.
ACAB
As an outsider it seems like America is a country full of people running around with guns and shooting each other. How does anyone there manage to relax?
Eh, there’s pretty bad police violence globally, if we ignore authoritarian countries or poor countries, there’s a fair amount of police violence from the other country that jerks itself off in being a free equal liberal democracy, France.
When I was in France I did see the police being heavy-handed on a few occasions (by UK standards anyway) but there was no routine gun violence and certainly no 18 year olds running around with pistols. The US is unique among developed countries.
It don’t sound developed to me. Ever increasing poverty, hard labour, long hours, no social healthcare, political unrest.
The real answer is that most people can not manage to relax, even if just because of financial issues alone.
Lock him up.
this is just murder
Should add conspiracy and interfering with an investigation to the murder charges
What are you talking about?
He was running away with a gun. The cop literally said “drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun or I’ll shoot you.”
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
That cop did his duty and I support him wholeheartedly. Most of the people on these forums need a reality check, because whatever is upvoted is not always correct.
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Cops aren’t allowed to perform summary executions. It doesn’t matter what the cop demanded he do. He’s not allowed to execute people for disobedience.
That wasn’t a summary execution, though.
Stop replacing reality with your fantasies if you want to be taken seriously by rational people.
He shot him in the back. He may not have executed him successfully, but he certainly tried.
Just keep living in your fantasy world.
Could you explain how this is fantasy?
I guess not.
Fucking disgusting, justifying execution because “cops”
Haha. There you go arguing with yourself again.
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
Jesus fucking Christ. You do not belong in society.
What, you don’t like living under fear of death when we have a judicial system? That whole innocent until proven thing?
People like him and the cop here put bloodshed over rule of law, and as unfortunate as it is our current society does give them a place.
He did drop his gun. You can see it in the video, he yeeted that fuckin thing. There is NO REASON to shoot someone in the back, because if their back is towards you, they are not a threat to you. The only people who shoot other people in the back are fucking cowards, you fucking coward.
Such naive views.
Yeah, the only thing people like you understand are ad hominem attacks because you can’t form a coherent thought, let alone a coherent argument. Thankfully your influence will not outlive you.
Such gusto and pride!
Perhaps one day, you will realise in life that some people don’t care enough to argue or debate with you. Your feverish comments remind me of a crazed man screaming and foaming at the mouth thinking he’s making an excellent point.
Lol, you responded to him first, my dude. If anyone should learn the lesson of when not to argue with someone, it’s you.
Looooool, good point my dude
You didn’t watch the video then?
The video of someone being shot in the back?
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“play stupid games win stupid prizes” isn’t a philosophical basis for a justice system. Even Hammurabi moved us beyond that shit. Your worldview is meme based. It’s pretty sad.
What do you think he was going to use that gun for?
What do you think rightwing chuds that demand to bring assault rifles into ice cream shops are going to use their 30 round 5.56mm ar-15 with 90 rounds of ammunition for?
If rightwing libertarian free speech warriors had even the tiniest scrap of integrity to their beliefs they would clearly be livid with anger about a random person possessing a firearm being deemed a lethal threat by the unelected government officials and then arbitrarily executed on the spot.
You would think these brave defenders of American culture would immediately recognize the problem with making it ok for an unelected government official to shoot someone else on sight for possessing a firearm, and face almost zero percent chance of consequences for being wildly incompetent and racist?
Of course, this is about who rightwing culture teaches you to be afraid of and who rightwing culture absolves of all responsibility for threatening and committing lethal violence in our communities.
Sorry, I didn’t read all that. It started off as drivel and I can only assume it continued as such.
I hope you got it out of your system, though. Good for the tribe!
I mean this is America, that gun could be used for literally anything and someone would say “hey you too? I always use my gun to fix squeaky door hinges!”
It’s too late. The snowball effect has taken hold.
Tribalism wins over all on these forums. Everyone is just trying to fit in, lol.
Glad that adults in the real world trump children on the internet. This place is a containment zone more than anything else.
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“I thought you were going to try and pull that gun on me,” Coleman said.
But it’s not like he has a history of this shit, oh wait
“Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers.”
People underestimate the number of active serial killers there are because so many of them wear badges and their murders are never prosecuted.
Similarly people also underestimate the number of people who commit domestic violence against their partners, the numbers are obviously difficult to get a real handle on (you are asking people to reveal things they might not want to reveal, even if they are the victim) but the number is probably somewhere around 30% of cops commit domestic abuse on their spouses and family.
The cop literally said “drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun or I’ll shoot you.”
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
It’s sad how you think anybody who even appears to pose a threat to a police officer is forfeiting their life by not immediately dropping flat on the ground with their hands above their heads.
The kid dropped his gun, you can see and hear it, it landed in the driveway on the lower left of the screen.
The officer had NO REASON to fire at that point, when the kid had his back turned and was clearly just trying to make it out of there alive. Fight or flight response meant he definitely wasn’t thinking clearly but he was also in no way a threat to anybody.
What do you think would happen to a civilian in a Stand Your Ground state did this ?
If someone with a gun broke into their home, and the home owner chased them out of the house, pursued them, and then shot them in the back without an immediate threat to their life, they would most certainly be charged with murder.
It’s sad how people like you think people “behaving like this” deserve to die.
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a taser would have sufficed in this situation.
A taser would suffice in nearly ALL use of force situations.
He looks like he graduated from Coleco Police Academy.
Disgusting. I hope he gets life.
If he goes to prison I’ll eat my shoe. And it’s not leather.
Hemp?
Something with a bit more cancer risk.
Bacon?
Too greasy.
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copsANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They’re about killing people; we’re not.”No, life would be better. Death is a painless solution, while living as a former pig in a maximum security prison is going to leave him with PTSD, anxiety, fear, and hopefully plenty of physical abuse.
Maybe, but your idea for a punishment is a total pipe dream. He will not get a significant sentence…if he sees any punishment at all. In the grand scheme of things a family member of this kid finding him and shooting him in the face as his family watches is simply more likely to happen.
Also probably not going to happen but…whatever. Thats the country we live in. 3 years from now he will be cleared of all wrong doing.
Incarcerated on the taxpayers’ bill, no less. Meh. FAFO, fuckin’ pigs. ✊🏽
Negative. There is no earthly penalty greater than death, which erases all joy or suffering they ever felt anyway.
All at the tax payers expense.
I’ve always heard that the death penalty costs more than life in prison
That’s more an issue of the court/justice system rather than a resource one. It’s objectively more expensive to keep a person alive than to kill them, if it “costs more” it’s just due to bureaucracy.
Why? To have his buddies in the system help release him early but still broken psychologically to abuse the family who had finally gotten use to a new normal without the red marks from the thin blue line? To have that shell of an abuser go out into the world, hating the people around him for not understanding that his reality was enforcing the distinction between the elite alpha wolf first responders in life and the glue sniffing degenerate civilians that need to be protected from themselves - except now he’s not privileged. He’s now one of the people he has grown to despise and he can’t stand it. He grows resentful and eventually kills himself and/or those around him.
They should give the family guns, and give Super Trooper a 5 second head start.
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