I foresee no problems with this plan. Surely this won’t result in a string of completely avoidable deaths.
If nothing else it would be fucking hilarious observing the interaction between a state of the art LLM with ML baked into it and an 80 y/o grandpa who just shit his pants and needs help
nice, automated medical racism
If they can take away drudge work that hospitals force nurses to do and let human nurses do more in-person work (AI can not deliver a baby, for example), good, right?
Assuming they only put the AI on tasks where the AI is as good as a human or better because they will get sued if it makes a mistake, then this is just the same health care for cheaper to me. That’s good. We need cheaper healthcare.
In theory it could be a good thing. In practice hospitals will lay off a bunch of nurses to save cost, the system will be just as overloaded as ever, except now you talk to cold unfeeling machines instead.
Hippocratic promotes how it can undercut real human nurses, who can cost $90 an hour, with its cheap AI agents that offer medical advice to patients over video calls in real-time.
Kind of.
Nurses get paid $90 an hour?
No, they cost $90/hour. They’re probably factoring in the assumed cost of benefits and management salaries.
Oh, hell this is the healthcare industry. That’s probably just what they charge before insurance companies get their discounts.
Absolutely stupid. Some business major is going to promote this and get their hospital shut down for malpractice.
You know some hospital system will be out there hiring brainless diaper changers to replace RNs, and have a limited number of real nurses who will be very over worked.
Are the crypto miners not purchasing as many cards anymore? I feel like Nvidia has been scrambling to make themselves useful elsewhere in a bid to keep inflating value or simply trying to sell more post crypto mining boom for the anual report.
Based on recent experiences in the medical system, AI replacements will probably be an improvement.
My healthcare all rolled over like it does every single year… Except for my prescription plan. I had to register an account on their terrible website for both my wife and I before they would allow us to use our plan.
Doctors, I’d be okay with switching to AI. Medical issues are pattern-matching, so I wouldn’t mind. I’d want a human to review the AI analysis.
I don’t know about that for nurses. Nurses are the ones who deal with patient care. A good nurse is listening, making sure you’re well treated and provide bedside support. There are a lot of things AI won’t be able to pick up.
Pharmacist/chemist? I can see it.
Anesthesiologist? Maybe? I don’t think so.
Surgeon? Probably not.
Front desk person? Absolutely.
Do you have any relevant healthcare experience which informs this opinion?
the issue is not with individual doctors or nurses.
the issue lies with for profit healthcare providers being slaves to the insurers. i work with providers daily; they are overworked and often are not able to provide the best care possible because the system sees people as a collection of data/telemetry to optimize.
it’s disgusting, shameful, and damn near barbaric. not if you have a lot of money though.
As someone with a rare disease that took seeing literally dozens of doctors over 20 years to get a diagnosis, I’d prefer an AI doctor for diagnosis and maintenance. I’d prefer a human doctor working with AI for treatment.
In my experience, critical thinking is lacking in the medical profession.
That was bound to happen ever since “doctors make lots of money” became common knowledge and a bunch of people looking to become wealthy decided to go to med school. That combined with for-profit schools caused this problem. Schools that flunk out unworthy potential doctors are unable to continue collecting tuition from them. There’s no incentive to expel students for poor grades.
Of course we should! We replaced our doctors with hourly rentable books back when that tech became popular. /s
As soon as I work out that my nurse is not a real person, im ending the communication. I am not paying a GPU for healthcare.
No, you should start saying nonsense and see what that gets you. “My chicken just coagulated”
Too bad it’s going to be up to your insurance, lol.
Fuck this shitty country and the greedy useful idiots that inhabit it.
I wonder if insurance is going to be okay with an AI (famous for never making a mistake /s) being involved in healthcare? If a human nurse makes a mistake the insurance can sue them and their malpractice insurance, if the AI makes a mistake, who can they blame and go after?
If insurance companies refuse to pay for AI nurses, hospitals cant use them?
Ultimately the hospital is responsible for any mistakes their AI makes, so I suppose the insurance company would sue the hospital.
I will send forth my own AI avatar to battle the nurse
Nvidia has never seen a nurse and has no idea what they do
Can’t wait for the wave of lawsuits after the ai hallucinantes lethal advice then insists it’s right.
Reminds me of an AI that was programmed to play Tetris and survive for as long as possible. So the machine simply paused the game. Except in this case, it might decide the easiest way to end your suffering is to kill you, so slightly different stakes.
My favorite was a rudimentary military scenario where they asked the AI to destroy a target so it just bombs it. Then operator said you can’t bomb it because there are civilians. So it opted to kill the operator who applied the limitation and then bomb the target again.
Patient: AIbot3000, will drinking bleach make my pain go away?
AIbot3000: Yes, bleach is a powerful disinfectant, and patients who drink bleach have been shown to experience less pain after it has disinfected their system.
They did a trial test in Sweden but the LLM did tell a patient to take a ibuprofen and chill pill. The patient had a hard time breathing, pressure over the chest, and some other symptoms I can’t remember.
A nurse overseeing the convo stepped in and told the patient to immediately call the equivalent of 911
And the private equities that own hospitals will purchase this anyway.
Isn’t this the plot of Roujin Z?
I hope they start the consultation with “Please state the nature of your medical emergency”.
Oh those sweet sweet pipes make the phaser burns go away
I have been in and out of medical settings a lot in my life, especially lately, and nurses are amazing. They do so much more than doctors to make you feel at ease and spend more time with you than the 5 minutes the doctor usually does.
So thanks so fucking much, Nvidia.
I want to replace Nvidia executives with AI for $9/hr. Wait, that’s overkill for those morons.
I hope the LLM that NVidia uses gets leaked to kingdom come.
Anyone who thinks this is remotely possible or a good idea has no idea what healthcare providers actually do on a day to day basis- especially in inpatient settings like hospitals
So the question is do the hospital administrators have any idea what healthcare providers actually do on a day to day basis
My spouse is an ER doctor here in the US. The answer is no. They don’t buy hospitals to take care of patients. They buy them to make a huge profit that the absolute state of the US healthcare system lets them get away with (private medicine and insurance, not the nurses and doctors working within it, to be clear).
The fuckery those assholes invent that adversely effect patient care for the sake of increasing profit margins is wild and infuriating to watch.
When it’s gonna cost them $81/hour less per nurse, i don’t think it’s even gonna matter. They’ll let someone else will deal with the fallout
Yeah. Everything is a calculated business decision.
They’ll look at the laws, the penalties, and do whatever they believe will maximize profit.
Boeing did the same thing when they cut corners and killed over 300 people.
Narrator : A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.
Woman on Plane : Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator : You wouldn’t believe.
Woman on Plane : Which car company do you work for?
Narrator : A major one.
Fight Club
Ford Pinto vibes on this one.
I agree that nurses are invaluable and irreplaceable and that no AI is going to be able to replicate what a human’s judgement can do. But honestly it’ll be the same as what our hospital’s “nursing line” offers us right now. You call and they ask scripted questions and give you scripted responses which usually ends up with them recommending that you go in. I get that it’s for liability but after 2 calls for our newborn we stopped calling and just started making our own judgement. But for actual inpatient settings? Absolutely no way. There’s no replacement for actual healthcare providers.
Not completely but I’m still worried. For example, a lot of inpatient places now have telemedicine capability, where a camera turns on in patient rooms and someone remotely can talk to people, observe what’s going on, put in orders, etc. Some places are using this to reduce the amount of actual on-site people, leading to worse nurse to patient ratios, or (imo) unsafe coverage models for patients who need hands-on care or monitoring. They added on a tele role like this onto my job description over a year ago, and I objected on moral grounds.
If this tech gets off the ground, I can easily imagine the telemedicine human beings being replaced by AI.
They should use AI to help the folks in medical billing.
An AI chatbot that will continually call the insurance company until your procedure gets reimbursed.
The article is talking about video call consultations with nurses. Read the article or argue the point.
The word “especially” in my comment implies that I was not just speaking about inpatient settings, and which would include these outpatient communication roles. I bring up inpatient because they’d like to replace us there as well.
So learn some reading comprehension instead of being a dick.
