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This is the utopia, but unfortunately, delinquents and no-good doers will harass the people in late night libraries and cafes. There is a cafe in my hometown that used to run 24/7 but anti-social behaviour made them close much earlier. Granted it has been an issue before, but the pandemic solidified the decision to no longer serve 24/7, especially with people no longer spending much time outside of their home any longer than it used to be.
Someone has to pay for the staff and maintenance too.
Despite inflation and growing user bases, libraries aren’t getting more money in most places.
Libraries are tax funded. It’s a service, not a business. Reallocate the money, preferably from the police.
That’s exactly my point. Municipalities set the budget and most don’t increase it enough year over year, if at all.
Staff budgets are one of the most costly aspects of libraries. Staffing another 12 or more hours would be millions of dollars more per year added to the budget.
We already fight tooth and nail for every penny we get. They’re not going to change their minds and double our budgets.
In fact, depending on where you live, their are people that would rather defund libraries bc someone convinced a swathe of people that they’re “too political.”
Taking note for my writings. 💚
“What if we took a place known for being quiet and made it loud?”
I mean, temporarily loud. I think that would be OK.
I wonder if the public perception and use of libraries would be improved if they weren’t these strangely silent book temples and were instead places of public learning and conversation.
My county library has tons of spaces to be loud and engage with others, hosts a lot of events and to be honest has only a few quiet spaces.
The public perception of libraries being super quiet book temples is really outdated.
Were they even that way? I mean, from as long as I can remember there was quiet and non quiet times, quiet and non quiet spaces in librairies. I’ve never heard of one were it is fully silent all the time. Isn’t that just the case in movies for comedic effect?
My hometown library was quiet all the time in the 80s, but it was also basically one really large room and any noise carried really well so they enforced quiet. The state college library was similar, and enforced quiet when I went in the 90s because people were studying.
Most libraries in the movies are also large, open spaces and like everything else they play up the extremes or the writer’s experiences. Since movies tend to stick with stereotypes, so don’t expect a library scene in a movie without someone being hushed any time soon.
In my VERY limited experience, school libraries tend to be quiet/silent while public ones are more communal with varied loudness spaces. But a lot of people only experience school libraries.
I wish. Getting scolded by an old crone for daring to use your voice in the library never leaves you. Children can be excited or loud sometimes, but libraries exist to make them seen, not heard.
Your library isn’t? Mine has events all the time
Two words: flourescent lighting
Guess what’s not depicted in the above illustration?
Something the AI that drew it left out. Dude on the couch on the left has three feet. This is as much as the AIs vision as it is the OPs, without the prompt we’ll never know.
Ok, then let’s make a new space called a loudbrary.
You’re implying “li” means quiet and I have no choice but to believe this madness because I can’t be bothered to look it up.
It comes from the Latin libre, meaning free.
until now
This is incorrect.
From Wikipedia:
The term library is based on the Latin word liber for ‘book’ or ‘document’, contained in Latin libraria ‘collection of books’ and librarium ‘container for books’.
I accept the correction.
I accept your acceptance of the correction.
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I’m sure the Loudbrarian could help you with that.
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WHAT?!
I DON’T KNOW ASK LOUD BRIAN!
Perhaps some sort of community drinkbrary, as seen in the image.
During specific hours so everyone can plan accordingly? Yes. Absolutely we should do this.
The place you’re talking about isn’t even open during the hours being discussed. Which is the entire point of this post.
Who cares who is being loud are they disturbing the non-existent regular patrons?
I think there is room for both. Our library has a small restaurant and hall for lounging and isn’t quiet at all. But the main library is business as usual and quiet.
Libraries weren’t created to be quiet places. They were created to preserve and share knowledge.
And to steal it from others. Sure, Alexandra might have given you back a copy, but not the original.
If you have a book and I have a book we have two books
Yes. I want to start this library.
Books help keep track of science and share it efficiently but the only knowledge we have is the one we still have when showering.
I like to picture water proof books.
Hey! My first Book was one of those bath book for Babys…
To be fair libraries are very active places, there are plenty of quiet spaces in most of them as well for this reason. Why can’t we accommodate everyone? We aren’t talking pumping music, just basic conversation, which already happens.
If it gets too loud, there’s always the quiet places for people that want more peace ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We aren’t talking pumping music…
YOU may not be but I guarantee that within the first 60 minutes at least three people are going to try and do just that.
If it’s against the rules, they’ll be kicked out, like it happens already… and if they allow the music, well you are free to choose another library that fits your specific needs. Just like the ones using the louder library since it’s already for them.
One word: headphones
Please. People regularly ignore that social convention in public spaces like Mass Transit and Parks. Why do you think libraries would be any different?
“Speakers not allowed. Anyone using them will be expelled and banned from entering again” (or something like that)
Be honest, how long has it been since you’ve been in a public library?
Since I’m a Technical Consultant for my local library I can honestly say I was in one just last week. In fact I’m logged into their system right now making some adjustments to their public access computers. I know what patrons are doing when they think no one is looking and I know exactly what would happen if Libraries were open late so people could lounge around.
Many libararies are already employing Security Staff to keep things under control during regular hours and there is no reason to think that it get any better ‘after dark’ so to speak.
So you work offsite, rarely visit, and are making sweeping judgements on how patrons you don’t even see or interact with would be behaving in a hypothetical scenario?
Lol.
the part where logging in to a computer remotely is apparently as good as visiting a place in person fucking sent me. this is what being online 24/7 does to a person.
Reviewing the actual logs which collect data over long periods is more reliable.
Btw where the fuck did they say that they never visited the place? For all we know they have worked for the library onsite for months or even years.
this is what being online 24/7 does to a person.
Yeah, I know what you mean…
Was there again this morning and remembering this “conversation” I asked the Executive Director, Business Manager, and the Assistant Director about it.
These were the three comments they all made, although in slightly different orders:
-“How is it going to be funded? Keeping the Staff and Security here until 10PM or later would be expensive and its not in our budget.”
-“A lot of people won’t come out after dark so it would likely be the same people that come and sit here all day. They’d just be staying later.”
-“We have enough behavior problems during the day. I can’t imagine how it would get late at night.”
I also asked the head Librarian about the Library as a 3rd Space for the public. She shook her heard and said “I understand the idea but it wouldn’t work. The Staff isn’t here to play baby sitter so people can sit around and chat.”
So there ya’ go; three Administrators and a Librarian.
Now I challenge YOU to go to YOUR local Library and talk to the Administrators and Librarians there. I’m interested to know what they tell you.
Outside of normal operating hours? Why not?
It’s not about turning it into a place for discussion really. Part of it’s just being around other people. I’m willing to bet that there are studies out there that suggest that even being around other people in settings like this is healthy and has some benefits.
I’ve got to be honest that picture is just a pub with books.
But free and no booze, so
I’d prefer free with booze ty
A library doesn’t care about you buying shit just to be there though?
Hell if I could just bring my own food to a pub and hang out I would.
When I was in university the library was open 24/7
It was just the restricted areas that you couldn’t go to at night and those were appointment only anyway
You can also go to the restricted area at night, just gotta make sure to not be caught by Filch
We could wind up dead, or worse, expelled
I don’t understand what is funny here. Many university librairies are open until 9 p.m and there is still people at the closing that would stay later. If every librairie were open until 10 p.m or midnight, you can be sure that some people would make use of it.
I mean that’s great for uni students to some degree. I’d like a more accessible to anyone version personally
Idk how it works in your country but where I am, anyone can access a university library and many students also frequent the public library. So basically, if every library were open late, anyone could go to the library of they choosing.
In Brussels there is a library that’s “open” as late as 22:00. There’s an after hours program where you register for after hours access, sign an agreement, and your library card can be used to unlock the door. Staff is gone during off hours but cameras are on. Members are not allowed to enter with non-members (can’t let anyone tailgate you incl. your friends).
That sounds great. I don’t know, neither have heard of, any such place in your neighbor germany. Sadly so. Even I would visit such a place.
And how’s it going? No troubles? No asswipes coming in drunk (with their friends) or such? Is it even frequented?
I was only there once or twice in off hours. I think I was there once on a Sunday (normally closed all day so only open to after hours members) and once in the evening. It was quiet as I recall but I guess I’ve not made use of it enough to have an idea. It’s not overly busy in the after hours.
W.r.t. alcohol, the rules forbid eating and drinking in the library, but water is exceptionally allowed. I don’t know if they review the video without cause, but if someone breaks the rules, their after-hours access is terminated.
Funnily, we just discovered that one of our city-libs iss actually doing the exact same thing now too. As an experiment. And it seems they don’t have to deal with it. Quote: “i guess the library-folk is just a quiet and peaceful folk”. So, no problems and people love it.
We parrot you guys ☺️
My local library has 24h access for students to a special area designed for the purpose. During the day the same area is accessible to the public. It’s just a nicely laid out area with desks and chairs and a great view of the park.
It’s unbeatable at 5am with a stiff cup of coffee.
My area is able to keep them open for about 7 total minutes yearly.
What about the Internet public libraries? Sometimes my town library doesn’t have the book, I can get a pdf or view from a reader, depending on the online library
I think the meme is getting at a 3rd space, somewhere adults can go and not be expected to drink or spend money, and hang out in a community fashion.
Internet spaces have kind of taken over meat space 3rd places.
ah. I see. sometimes I take a class at the conservation center and see young people meeting there.
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