*In terms of privacy, customisation, camera quality, and battery time.
For the longest time I have only used either iPhone or Samsung. I plan on switching to Android for the next phone I get, but I find that Samsung phones are often too big for me and put too much energy on camera quality (I don’t take many photos). I have started to look into brands such as Nokia and Motorola, and I would like to know what you guys think of them. Additionally, do you suggest any other phone brands aside from them? My biggest priorities are privacy and long battery time. Bonus if the phone can run LineageOS (I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).
Thank you for any answers. Cheers!
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graphene or calyxos is out
Graphene can run actual Google Play services sandboxed, so you might be in luck. I think CalyxOS has Google Play installed by default, so they may work as well, though it doesn’t seem to be sandboxed. DivestOS may be an option as well.
Here’s the page I’m pulling this from, I don’t have any actual experience here (though planning to get a phone with an unlocked bootloader soon).
hoping in 5+ years time when my phone stops getting updates, that things will be a lot better in the linux mobile space
That’s what I thought 4-ish years ago when I bought my current phone when I realized PinePhone wasn’t going to be daily driveable, but things don’t seem to have changed much (MMS seems to have gotten better, but still incomplete). Now I’m ready to replace it, and Linux phones still aren’t daily driveable for me, but it’s much better than before.
I’m still hopeful, but a little less excited than I was 4 years ago.
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What phone brand do you like the best?
(I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).
You’re asking this on the privacy mag and intentionally/explicitly exclude the best privacy option with no explanation.
Wtf.
best privacy option
Who declared this? You? Daniel Micay? His sockpuppet troll army?
GrapheneOS isn’t a phone brand.
It might as well be since it only works on Google Pixels.
HTC (Wildfire, Desire Z, [rip!]), Samsung (they are/were easy to flash; S3, S5, S7, A5 2017).
I once had Nexus 5 (by LG [rip!]) - I was disappointed, poor quality.Nowadays, you should have control of a baseband firmware too!
So, looks like the Pixels are the best option.As I usually unlock bootloader, I just buy cheap Chinese phones from around 100 bucks, right now I’m using a FreeYond M5 5G. Debloated and rooted. Working like a charm.
Edit: I prefer Motorola over Nokia.
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i daily a Fairphone 4, has neither the best camera nor the best battery life. but it’s the most repairable and durable phone i’ve owned.
i’ve had extremely good experieces with oneplus phones, dunno about custom ROM support though.
i’ve also heard good things about modern motorola phones, if the ROM support is there it’s worth a shot imo.
OnePlus 6 and 6T had really broad custom Rom support, it is till now one of the best Phones for linux(pmOS) With some Roms you can even relock the bootloader
I am currently using my almlst 6 year old oneplus6 with lineage OS without any real issues
Did you tried DivestOS? Its my favorite Rom for the op6
Might try it after getting lineage os on my redmi note12 in the next few days. The old battery just kinda does not last long anymore.
I don’t get people claiming stock iPhone is private. We literally have very little idea. It’s a closed system. It’s private if you take Apple’s word but all the other manufacturers also have similar claims. Why trust Apple and not them?
On top of that you end up locked into their ecosystem, unable to use most FOSS applications or have cut down versions of them because daddy Apple didn’t like some features.
Why not Apple devices?
iPhone does not allow you to have privacy due to its blackbox nature, and is simply a false marketing assurance by Apple to you. Recently, an unpatchable hardware flaw was discovered in Apple’s T1 and T2 “security” chips, rendering Apple devices critically vulnerable.
Also, they recently dropped plan for encrypting iCloud backups after FBI complained. They also collect and sell data quite a lot. Siri still records conversations 9 months after Apple promised not to do it. Apple Mail app is vulnerable, yet Apple stays in denial.
Also, Apple sells certificates to third-party developers that allow them to track users, The San Ferdandino shooter publicity stunt was completely fraudulent, and Louis Rossmann dismantled Apple’s PR stunt “repair program”.
Apple’s authorised repair leaked a customer’s sex tape during iPhone repair. This is how much they respect your privacy. You want to know how much more they respect your privacy? Apple’s Big Sur(veillance) fiasco seemed not enough, it seems. Still not enough to make your eyes pop wide open?
Apple’s CSAM mandatory scanning of your local storage is a fiasco that will echo forever. This blog article should be of help. But they lied how their system was never hacked. I doubt. They even removed CSAM protection references off of their website for some reason.
Pretty sure atleast the most coveted privacy innovation of App Tracking protection with one button tracking denial would work, right? Pure. Privacy. Theater.
Surely this benevolent company blocked and destroyed Facebook and Google’s ad network ecosystem by blocking all those bad trackers and ads. Sigh. Nope. Now it is just Apple having monopoly over your monetised data.
Also, Android’s open source nature is starting to pay off in the long run. Apple 0-day exploits are far cheaper to do than Android.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Apple’s authorised repair leaked a customer’s sex tape during iPhone repair.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Apple’s authorised repair leaked a customer’s sex tape during iPhone repair.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
A friend told me there’s no point in stealing them as it’s impossible to unlock or wipe them, which would give them the edge at least in that respect. Is this accurate?
Yes iPhones are secure but not private. The two are related but different concepts. I’m not sure what exactly your friend is referring to though.
He’s referring to how, if you are signed into an Apple ID and have a passcode, there really is no way to use the phone if you steal it (to my knowledge). The device is a complete brick if you don’t have the Apple ID credentials.
This is accurate, it is also accurate for (at least some part of) android though… Going into recovery boot requires the phone pin for my mid-range phone. Hell even turning off the phone can be set to require pin or biometric.
The turning off part is completely stupid though, nearly every phone has a button combo to hard power off (usually power + either vol up or vol down).
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pine64 because freedom.
it ha physical killswitchs. thats pretty appealing if u need that.
You can’t just recommend Pinephone.
It is at best an half baked device. Phone calls are not that good and I had to manually enable VoLTE and flashed a custom firmware on the modem.I’d love a Pinephone, but that’s not happening until it’s usable as a phone, meaning:
- MMS
- decent call audio
- reliable wake up from suspend
- decent battery life
I don’t even care about the camera working, fingerprint sensors, etc. I literally just want a phone that works reliably as a phone with super long term software support.
Custom ROM support relies a lot on a phone either being unique in some nerdy kind of way or having widespread community interest (especially appeal to Indian consumers since many community developers are Indian). The Google Pixel and Fairphone lines consistently have great support due to the first reason, while cheaper Chinese brands often have decent support for the second reason. Nokia is in a bad position in both respects - its phones are neither interesting or particularly cheap/good value for money - so its support is generally pretty bad.
If you plan to just use a phone with the stock ROM then they are all equally bad when it comes to leakage to Google. However brands that try hard to force you into their heavily modified Android ecosystems like Samsung and Xiaomi are particularly bad for privacy since they have a ton of extra data collection built in that is either forced or suggested to you quite heavily (many features are locked behind additional privacy policies and account logins). You are better off going with something as light as possible in that case. Since you mentioned Motorola, I’ll add that I have a razr 2023 and beyond a few optional apps that I can disable, it is pretty standard Android with no additional data collection or accounts required. Motorola phones can have dogshit software support, though. Like this one I have is less than a year old and it’s already taking them 4 months to push an update.
The hardware is wholly unremarkable, but the pixel line supports Graphene. Custom Roms are a necessity if you care about privacy even a little bit, but there are other options.
Unfortunately in many places, illegal searches are the rule, not the exception and as such security is almost as critical. If you need security AND privacy there is simply no substitute.
Motorola hardware looks kinda nice though…
Be careful with Motorola, here’s a Louis Rossmann rant about Lenovo/Motorola sucking, and here’s the official unlocking policy and procedure he mentioned. Some specific issues to call out:
- need to wait a week before unlocking the bootloader after purchase
- you lose your Motorola warranty
- you cannot sell or transfer your unlocked device (in linked legal agreement)
That’s pretty scummy IMO, and why I’m not interested in Motorola devices. I don’t intend to ever use the warranty or sell my phone, but I’m not okay with that being a legally binding agreement.
you cannot sell or transfer your unlocked device (in linked legal agreement)
The fuck? There’s no way they can forbid doing that, right? Video game publishers would be all over that with physical discs to make it the same as for digital releases.
Unlocked meaning you’ve unlocked the bootloader. So if you want to flash your own ROM, you agree not selling your device.
I’m not sure if it’s enforceable, but it certainly chills people from trying.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
here’s a Louis Rossmann rant about Lenovo/Motorola sucking
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
For me it has to be Fairphone. They are more expensive than the others to buy new but they are more aligned with openness and free software. They receive updates for a long time, are well supported by CalyxOS, /e/os, Linux mobile OSs etc, are repairable, you can carry extra batteries, usually have an SD card slot and two SIM slots and are more environmentally-friendly than others.
i second getting a fairphone, but look into a second battery or a power bank for heavy use.
Samsung Ultra all the way. It has top of the world hardware, software support
AND I can customize my phone the way I want.
second hand Xiaomi + flash Lineage, good hardware for the price, community support
I just got a OnePlus 12 and this phone is fantastic. Bootloader is unlocked and you can do whatever you want. Battery is amazing. Charger is insane. Camera is more than decent. Price is very reasonable for what it offers.
I like fairphone the best out of all the ones that are currently available, however, my next phone will be a Pixel 8A because grapheneos doesn’t support fairphone
Also no plans to support it. It meets their requirement of long support.
Me too fairphone for the repairability of it and long update support.
Fairphone 4 user here, i love it. but ghost touch keeps coming back, i’m on my second screen now.
Same problem with ghost touch here lol
they’ll send you a replacement, but they take weeks to reply
Thanks
