I tested out revolt and element. Out of the two element seems to be the most well rounded. What do you people use to replace discord to protect your privacy?
Worth checking out for more privacy :
As much as I appreciate what SimpleX is doing, it’s a massive memory hog on Android - 120mb all the time.
I do look forward to seeing it mature though, I think that will improve, along with device linking.
My current stats:
Molly: 445 Schildichat: 218
SimpleX doesn’t sound so bad in regards to memory
Oh no ! In the age where everyone and their cat has atleast 32 gigs simplex is using my 120 mb whatever shall we do ?faints
Yeah I’m also not getting it tbh, got shit load of RAM that’s unused anyways
Yeah mate like are we hording RAM now ?
Molly is a fork of the Signal app. Worth checking, but ain’t a service.
FluffyChat?
Is Matrix protocol too.
Yeah Matrix too mate.
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It looks like it uses chrome for certain data, and I’m not a fan of that. Any idea if I can change that to use Firefox?
Use the main app in Firefox as a Progressive Web App. Their app is just more a PWA container
I’ve used Revolt before. It’s very similar to Discord superficially, but lacks a lot of features. Even though it’s more similar to slack, I’ve found Mattermost to have more feature parity.
Can you create voice rooms in mattermost?
It looks like it is supported via pluggins unfortunately
How do we know that these solutions are more private than Discord?
Even if open source, how do we know the compiled version wasn’t altered?
You can always compile from scratch, compare the checksums or use the version you compiled. In projects this large people usually do this, and there’s a certain level of trust that these checks have been performed.
Yup. If you’re paranoid, you can self-host and watch network traffic to ensure things are encrypted when they’re supposed to be.
Sure but how do you know those encrypted requests don’t contain personal or unexpected information?
Set up two clients and send data between them. You can have it log out exactly what data is being sent since the whole thing is FOSS.
A lot of compilers have things like timestamps in the finished product that could mess with hashes. I guess hashing the rest of it could work if hashes for non static regions are given.
Pretty much just matrix and revolt, armcord is a good client to use discord if you just need to use discord but eh
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Mumble + IRC or XMPP works well.
How do you set this up? Do you use two seperate apps or are there apps that integrate both?
I was going to say: is IRC not still a thing?
Don’t many of the IRC servers expose your IP address and have bots that store every chat message?
Some outdated ones do, but it is very easy to run your own modern IRC server that does none of that.
For a foss project irc logs of channels are important makes irc into google able knowledge. For privacy, use matrix and encryption.
is that a thing ? googleable IRC chat logs for FOSS projects ? I haven’t seen any
If you just want group chat, Signal works well. It’s more suitable for smaller groups though, so YMMV.
Other than that, Matrix works well.
I will not say the typical thing. Discord has a community that Element and Revolt cannot rival in numbers. So I think treating Discord as a public forum, while segregating private activity to privacy respecting platforms is the best way to minmax freedom and privacy.
Keep Discord isolated/sandboxed in a Flatpak on Linux or in Android work profile with restricted camera/mic permissions, and I think it is good enough.
Matrix like you. Most foss projects are in matrix as well. Matrix call is awesome.
Matrix is pretty good, only problem is my friend groups can’t seem to make the switch. As in we all want to but we have other groups we talk to on discord so we’d have discord installed anyway, and I think some of us aren’t motivated enough to move our server over. I think generally the problem with privacy-respecting chat apps is everyone’s on whatsapp, everyone’s on discord, few “normies” or even less privacy-conscious communists will want to install a new app/program just to talk to you.
Yup, the network effect is real.
Maybe you can set up a bridge for those who want to switch? You’d still need both until all everyone moves over, but it reduces friction in that process.
That’s a good idea! The next time my friends bring up switching to Matrix I’ll probably try set us up a bridge to encourage the move
What are the privacy issues with Discord? I honestly hate its format, but I need it for Midjourney.
To keep it short, there isn’t really any privacy.
Servers are public and Private messages are stored without any envryption. If you delete your account then the messages stay and can still be found with your unique ID (just like Reddit). From what ive read Discord also stores your HWIDs and monitors your running processes (with a valid reason considering their game integration). Some say they only store that locally, others claim something else, haven’t seen any proof for either side so far.
The problem really boils down to the fact that people treat discord as a private messenger instead of a public forum despite it clearly beeing the latter.
All fair points but some can be avoided by running discord in browser
amen
Can’t use it because they want my phone number for login but say it’s invalid. 🤪
Element, Matrix
