• toofpic
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      101 year ago

      At that point I tried to delete my account, but they made it impossible already. So they are “lucky” to “keep me” as a “customer”

  • @Raxiel@lemmy.world
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    21 year ago

    I haven’t watched Louis’ video, but I do have a Blizzard account, and up until a couple of days ago I had an active WoW subscription (ended because I wanted to play other games, not to make a point).

    I didn’t get presented with any new terms recently, presumably I will in the future should I decide to sign up again, or even dip in on a free trial account.

    I did look up the terms though. I’m not in the US so it’s not clear if I’d be bound by it anyway but not only do they have an opt-out clause (11.A.vi) they’re actually less egregious than some EULAs, allowing opt-out via email, rather than requiring a mailed in letter (Roku) and being prominently highlighted at the top.

    Lot of folks here dreaming about them going bankrupt, I have to say, I think that’s wishful thinking. The current WoW expansion has been very successful with the highest signups and retention in a long time as they’ve apparently figured out what players actually want. Even without their other IP’s they’re doing ok.

    • @unphazed@lemmy.world
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      51 year ago

      Don’t use McDonalds or TB app anymore. Praying Dunkin don’t pull this bs. Every few times I go to McDs and they ask I wanna respond, “no cause forced arbitration is dumb for just a hamburger”

    • @sardaukar@lemmy.world
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      361 year ago

      It’s not that easy. My Blizzard account is over 10 years old - never thought they’d go down hill so much. What’s the solution, to never create accounts online anywhere? Even if a service looks good and you support it, a corporation like Activision can come along and have their asshole CEO infect everything.

      Walking away from my account now means throwing away a lot of money spent on it.

      • @WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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        71 year ago

        What’s the solution, to never create accounts online anywhere?

        Yes. I buy all my games either as physical releases on consoles or DRM-free on PC. If a game requires an account to play, I won’t play it.

      • @Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz
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        21 year ago

        I was playing WoW since 2005, just have to walk away. I left the game, and all Blizzard products, as they have just gone to absolute garbage.

        There are better games out there.

      • @radicalautonomy@lemmy.world
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        I played Vanilla WoW a week after launch and was with it all the way up through Cataclysm Mists. After hearing about the multiple shocking incidences of sexual harassment and gender discrimination at Blizzard and upper management’s unwillingness to stop it, it was quite easy to delete my Battle.net account and walk away. (Yeah I hadn’t played in a while, but I’d intended to come back eventually.)

        There are plenty of other games out there. You vote with your dollars, and your vote shows your character.

      • @Soggy@lemmy.world
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        41 year ago

        I walked away from my account with the Hong Kong stuff after spending an uncomfortable amount on Overwatch. Every decision they’ve made since then has made writing it off easier. I still have my Starcraft and Brood War discs, I enjoyed my time with WoW, but I don’t see a reality where I turn back to Blizzard without huge internal changes.

      • DABDA
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        181 year ago

        So due to sunk cost the better choice is to continue supporting bad behavior?

        • @sardaukar@lemmy.world
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          41 year ago

          I’m not supporting them, I haven’t bought anything from Blizzard since the last Protoss SC2 game ages ago. But I don’t want to lose access to my games.

        • yeehaw
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          151 year ago

          For me, not continue to support but use what I’ve paid for and not put any more money into it

      • trashcan
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        21 year ago

        It’s no solution but the takeaway is this is always a possibility and maybe even inevitable.

  • @Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world
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    First Roku did a quick force TOS change before a beach disclosure, now Blizzard is mysteriously forcing a change to their TOS. I have no idea what’s coming next. Seems like it’s going to become part of the breach playbook to minimize financial loss. Maybe there will be a law against it in… oh…15 years?

    • ares35
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      my vizio has been stuck on a tos update acceptance screen since about the time of the recent roku shit. i haven’t had the time to deal with it, so it’s just been turned off.

    • m-p{3}
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      111 year ago

      Let me laugh if Blizzard’s TOS change is because of a security breach they haven’t disclosed yet.

    • @ripcord@lemmy.world
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      61 year ago

      Roku wasn’t breached. They reported that a bunch of people who had reused passwords from other breached sites were compromised.

        • @ripcord@lemmy.world
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          21 year ago

          The TOS had nothing to do with having announced that some peoples’ accounts had been compromised due to password reuse from other hacked sites. People just started conspiracy theoryin’

    • @STOMPYI@lemmy.world
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      551 year ago

      So i’m not a lawyer but isn’t there a law for unconsciability, When a contract is so one-sided, it’s obvious that me the signer has absolutely no rights.The entire contract is voided.

      • Aatube
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        I guess in return the signer gets the service?

        • @ra1d3n@lemm.ee
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          The signer gets the service because they paid for it. Mostly these are changed after people already bought the stuff.

      • @Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
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        EULAs and TOSes are as legally binding as a secondhand piece of toiletpaper with a contract written in shit. Almost every single one will be thrown out in court. The problem is getting to that point in the first place, and incurring the (time, effort & money) costs while enduring. Most common people can’t afford that, which the companies know, so they keep making unenforceable EULAs.

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          191 year ago

          That is true in US. In EU litigations cost are way lower and a single person could sue, win and not be financially broken.

          Problem is only that in any case what you pay for a lawyer is more than you win, so it make no sense to sue in any case.

          • TigrisMorte
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            Almost like the Legal system is intentionally designed such that the wealthy are the only ones with any actual access.

  • @flop_leash_973@lemmy.world
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    I understand why Louis likes privacy.com so much. But he really needs to stop telling people to use them as a means of stopping payment with scummy vendors and companies so frivolously without having a disclaimer that it can open that person up to getting their credit dinged for non-payment.

    Maybe he doesn’t care about such things, but his viewers might.

    To get around the Blizzard dark pattern the “right way”, agree to the EULA, login, cancel subscriptions, remove payment details, close account (if possible), stop using Battle.net, done. Now the EULA is irrelevant. This also has the knock on effect of being the path that Blizzard/Activision/MS will actually notice since it will cost them money at scale in a way they can’t explain away as childish internet trolling.

    Edit: a word (irreverent > irrelevant)

    • @hedgehog@ttrpg.network
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      I can’t think of any reason why it would be inadvisable to cut off billing to an MMO subscription that was connected to a privacy.com card. Is there any basis for your concern? Do you know of someone who had “prevented Blizzard from billing them for WoW” on their credit report?

      I can’t say I’ve ever had an MMO subscription - or any prepaid account, for that matter - show up on my credit report. Or that I know anyone who has. Even prepaid credit cards don’t show up on your credit report.

      If a game, site, or app subscription fails to bill, the recourse the provider has is to cease providing the service. Standard industry practice is to suspend service and send out a notice, attempt re-billing a couple times, and to them consider the subscription canceled.

      A debt can show up on your credit report, even if it’s not associated with a loan or line of credit… But with a prepaid account, like an MMO subscription, you’re never extended credit and you never incur a debt. The exception would be if you signed a contract for your prepaid account stating that you’d maintain it for a certain amount of time (common with phone plans, internet plans, leases, some shady gym memberships, etc.) or you caused damages to the provider. Without such an agreement, there are no damages from just causing them to be unable to continue billing your credit card. If you were paying by check or disputed an already posted payment, that would be different - but neither of those are relevant here.

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    This seems to be the new norm, first Roku, now Blizzard.

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    The funny thing is by forcing you to agree to the new terms, the contract can be challenged since one side was coerced to sign it (and didn’t get a chance to sign in voluntarily!).

    US courts tend to favor corporations over end users, so there’s still a strong chance a judge will throw the case out anyway, but because this is such an act of bad faith in US contract law, a judge might also rule in the end-user’s favor just to make an example out of Blizzard for being such a dick.

    PS: Steam did this a long time ago. I’ve never had any disagreements with Steam but some folks have. I don’t know if anyone’s had the account bricked, which Blizzard, EA and Ubisoft have done.

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    Hmm, now if they were forced to export your data, if you don’t agree.

    Btw, there should really be some sort of legal “usage license” you can use with other providers, since you don’t own the game you buy. If not, it’s just a scam.