Meanwhile still compiling Gentoo.
Just kidding, already done.
“void does have a pine tree up their ass tho” – Vaxerski
The maintainers? Yeah, I completely agree. No one actually likes any of them… as far as I’m aware… typical Linux geeks, my way or the highway.
I couldn’t figure out how to make the wifi on my Debian machine reliable so I replaced the default wifi manager front-end and backend with iwctl, the same thing Arch uses by default. It seems to be working but now I have an unholy abomination of Debian spliced with Arch DNA.
It’s perfectly fine to use different ways to do things in Debian, just don’t mix incompatible repos.
https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#IWCtlEvery distro is an unholy abomination made by plugging the maintainers’ favorite parts together
Lol, that’s normal in Arch, Void, Gentoo, LFS.
Almost every proprietery software there is out there has only Debian/Ubuntu packages, yet we run them in Arch, Void, Gentoo… as long as the dependencies are there, it doesn’t matter what distro you run the software on.
A simple fix is to replace the rest of Debian with Arch.
What dist to you use btw?
I use BTW btw
Is that the one from the Korean boy band?
No, that’s the Bangladesh Toilet Service
NixOS, it has a lot of the same pain points as Arch, even steeper learning curve for installation and configuration. And lose support for even more software titles.
If it’s not 1995 slackware difficult I don’t want it.
True story. SlackWare was why I considered Debian in 1998. Briefly.
I know a guy who looks like that.
He’s good at JavaScript.
that’s the best subtle insult i’ve ever heard wow
I didn’t really mean it that way. But subconsciously, ya, maybe.
My friend has that look. Like half-hobbit. And ya, he’s a wizard too.
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I’m going to use Debian btw Edit: nvm wifi not working, NixOS it is
Is Wine still the most “windows Linux” distro?
what???
All I can say is:
Wine Is Not an Emulator.
I don’t see what the problem is with Arch Linux and why it gets so much flak. I am not a Linux expert by any measure, but I use EndeavourOS and find it really use to use (don’t ask me to install from scratch). Its extremely stable and I like the fact that it gets updated constantly.
The only other distro I really liked is MX Linux. My main gripe was that I don’t want to reinstall every so many years. I want to set up an OS and just use it without worrying about it being a temporary thing. But maybe I’ll change my mind in the future.
I’m not for or against any distro really, maybe except Ubuntu and its bloat. I just use what best suits me, which is the whole point of all the different distros.
Its extremely stable
This is why people make fun of arch users
Look at the sub in which this is posted 😉. That was the joke 😉.
I don’t think this is an “Arch is bad” post, but rather a “Void is good post”. I think the sticker is remove because it’s not relevant to them anymore.
i think its just people taking the “i use arch btw” meme too seriously and thinking its bad to show or even use it all
Manjaro is truly the worst distro of all time and probably helps give arch a bad name
I had like 2 issues that took literal minutes to fix over the years I ran Manjaro, I know there were some silly misconfigurations years ago but I never paid much attention then the hate and it ran all my stuff just fine. 🤷♂️
Built a new rig a few weeks ago and decided to check out EndeavorOS, but would have stuck with that Manjaro install for a while if I hadn’t.
if you want to know my problems with manjaro, see this discussion: https://lemmy.ml/comment/9214664
It’s a super problematic distro made by an insanely incompetent team, I promise you have been lucky, i’ve given it to many people and spent years using it, it’s garbage.
Oracle Linux exists
I use Manjaro, btw.
Samesies
Arch is a pain to setup BTW. It’s worth it, though you’d be better using something like the installer for cachyOS to get the same experience
I’m partial to Endeavor OS personally. It’s basically just Arch without the bullshit of setting it up.
All my friends with endeavour are clueless when their system eventually breaks because they haven’t done the manual install and so they haven’t read the wiki and they have no idea how to actually repair their system
I broke my system a few times, but I know what I did. Once I tried to remove mesa and everything it’s a dependency for…not realizing it’s part of the kernel. Another time I messed up my video drivers trying to install Optimus.
Actually a lot of my breaks can be traced to Nvidia being a shitass about supporting Linux. But I need the proprietary drivers for my editing software
i’m using it for half a year or so. Have done multiple system upgrades by now. My only question is “how!?”. How did they manage to break it? I have lots of AURs installed, i did intall some python dependencies with pip --break-system-packages, it still runs perfectly.
One’s pc crashed during a system upgrade and the other just wouldn’t boot after the system upgrade. I told him to mount his partition using the liveusb and backup his stuff and he was clueless
It’s absolutely not. Use archinstall. The hardest part is preparing for breakages when you update.
Honestly, I’ve done it so often, it runs automatically. The config stuff I have for years and years, I think I haven’t change shit for ever. Runs.
She learned NixOS
Look at the sub 😉.
I saw you post that a couple of times and didn’t realize you meant the sub within the picture, I was trying to find the significance of this being posted in linuxmemes lol
Meeh, it was funny… not a meme per say, but still, funny 😁.
I used to run Arch, btw
Why would one unuse Arch btw?
Arch is only the larval stage. When a Linuxite consumes enough CLI, they metamorphose into one of two adult forms: a Void user, or a NixOS user. As these two adult forms are incompatible, this is a rare case of species divergence within a life cycle. Even more oddly, like the axolotl, many Arch users never leave the larval stage, and continue living comfortably in their ecological niche.
Daamn, I’m a pupa (Arch -> Debian + Nix)
Yeah, that comment leaves out the “I learned a lot from Arch, but don’t have the time to manage evertything anymore” crowd, which goes Ubuntu -> Arch -> Debian/Mint/Fedora
I discovered that EndeavourOS satisfied that for me, without me having to give up Arch. And snapper+btrfs-grub has eliminated any interest in messing about with the new line of immutable systems. The only tempting distro I might spend time in is Chimera Linux (link, b/c of an unfortunate naming conflict) which (a little hilariously) is an attempt to make a Linux distro that’s purely Gnu-free. Chimera also runs dinit instead of systemd, and that’s interesting.
Anyway, there are a couple of options that let a user stay in Arch but make things less… fussy.
I gunked up my system with too much AUR, even with endeavourOS. NixOS might be a bit more suitable for my ADHD brain.
If NixOS and Void are the adult form then what is the form of FreeBSD and OpenBSD? Old form?
Different species. They’re not in the Linuxite clade.
The Linuxite taxa have far higher diversity due to faster mutation rates; the BSD genus has far fewer species, and can’t cross-breed with Linuxites.
They are the alolan forms.
Wow, this is so well explained, I’m making it my personal copypasta!
Retired form of Linuxite is called Gentoo user
Switching to nixos?
As someone who switched to nixos - eh. So much hacking to make dev stuff work really kills the magic that nixos is supposed to be :|
There are good (usable) flake templates you can just
nix flake init, thoYou could always try Void 😁.
Yeah, it is a lot of initial work, but once you got your shell.nix or flake.nix in place it is really nice, to not have to deal with different dependencies and versions in different projects.
But you can also archive the same on any distro with the nix package manager.
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It’s an investment for the next time you install on a new dev machine. After install, I will literally run a single command to return to the exact state of my dev environment.
Sure but how often do you need to actually change your machine?
Me personally, a lot. I work on 4 different rigs (inlcuding latops) and yes, for me, it does save time.
About weekly in my case.
Probably not often, but as a Debian user, it’s a PITA to get back to where I was before I fucked up my system. Nix(OS) sounds like a future investment to me, just in case I ever fuck up and need to get back to where I was ASAP. Been there once already and it was NOT fun.
That was from a professional standpoint BTW, privately I’m still a dirty Windows pleb, because that’s what I’m most familiar with.
PS: I’m already using a dotfiles repo, which already saves me a ton of time in settings things up.
I’m actually building a new work station right now.
This is why I run Manjaro, which I never hear any love for here for some reason. It’s the rolling releases and cutting edge updates of Arch, but with the ease of use and reliability of Debian. Insert a bootable USB and have a fully functional system in a couple minutes.
Manjaro just works, from gaming to development, and I’ve never been forced to play games to install a hardware driver or newer library that isn’t part of the release like with Debian or Ubuntu.
Been using Linux for over 20 years and never seen a distro so trouble free.
The reason you don’t see a lot of love for Manjaro is because your experience isn’t quite typical. Manjaro is notorious for taking Arch and making it less stable. It’s mostly Arch with some defaults and software to make it easier to set up, but the few cases where it drifts from Arch tend to cause more issues than if you just used Arch directly.
Interesting, I’ve installed it on quite a few machines now, all with widely varying hardware. Aside from my development/gaming rig I’ve got a shop laptop which is used by various goons to view shop drawings and look up parts, one the ex-wife still hasn’t managed to break, one is my 9 year old daughter’s and another is a potato that runs my 3d printer (to be fair this one is fossilized and doesn’t get updates).
All are working great with no setup effort and no maintenance so I guess it’s a classic case of YMMV. I wouldn’t have used Arch for any of those use cases except maybe the 3d printer.
Agreed, i had more issues on Manjaro than i ever did on raw Arch. The Manjaro team, at least during the time i used it, didnt seem very good at keeping things working. So many issues with bad packages, keys expiring, stuff like that.
Arch was a blessing.
However, NixOS has ascended me to heaven lol.
Just use Fedora then 🤷.
It’s definetly a distro for tinkerers. But so is arch and it’s way more stable for my tinkering than arch.
Edit: nicer grammar
Learning by doing.
Look at the community where it was posted.
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The whole point is the setup 😒.
they have probably switched to gentoo
Look at the subreddit. It’s implied they switched to void.
I don’t see the programmer socks in the picture, did I miss them?
Ugh ex Star Trek nerds, am I right guys? /s
Hahahah 🤣🤣🤣… good one 🤣.
https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/70aa7a8c-6237-405e-928c-ad28732967e2.png
I’m a Captain, BTW.
Good one. Took me second. Just a second though.
I use mint, btw.
(…Not really but it fits the joke the best. I have used it and it’s an excellent distro whether you are a beginner or just want something stable and full featured. )
I use Debian everywhere but if I need a Live Linux environment to recover files, clone a drive, wipe a drive, or really anything else I use ventoy and a Linux mint iso.
I work in a PC repair shop (mostly Windows stuff) and I do the same with Ventoy and Mint. I especially like it for gParted but have a variety of things I use on it.
Mint is such a pragmatic distro. Honestly I admire people who are just happy with their Mint and don’t feel the need to distro hop to ever more esoteric package ecosystems just to feel alive
The only reason I stopped using mint is some of the programs didn’t exist or were outdated. I’m about to settle at NixOS.
Edit: I ended up going back to my intermediary between mint and nix: Arch Linux
You could use nix on mint btw.
I’m slowly learning Nix, and I’ve learned that Nix has more packages available than any single distro could ever deliver: https://repology.org/repositories/graphs.
It even has more than AUR (Arch User Repository, BTW)
