When a person of color, especially if they’re black like me, affirms their support for causes such as queer liberation, feminism, animal rights, or socialism, I immediately feel that I can believe, with minimal doubt, that they’re truly convicted and principled in what they’re advocating for.

However, when a white person claims to support leftism, until my skepticism is proven wrong, I immediately assume they’re a dishonest and performative libshit. I then proceed to interact with them with hefty amounts of caution. If my assumptions are proven true, I’m never shocked.

  • CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
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    221 year ago

    Because that’s how it keeps going. I have tried time and time again to ignore the little danger signs from White people and kept getting burned by some, even by self-professed leftists. Not by all, of course, but by enough to be wary. It’s unpleasant; this hypervigilance around White people is a real burden and I wish it hadn’t been forcibly inflicted on me, but that’s what living in a White Supremacist society does.

    I find it helpful to differentiate between “White” and “white” people.
    Capital-W “White” means the person exhibits a lot of the toxic settler-colonial, imperialist, and casually racist behaviors that Amerikkkan society perpetuates.

    Lower-case w “white” means the person has skin tones that make them look like the Capital W’s but they don’t do that shit. They’re actively antiracist, they’re vigilant and purge any trace of white supremacy from themself, they’re learning, and they support people of color in our fight against white supremacist fascism.

    It’s not about skin color, and it’s not even essential to who they are – White people who rehabilitate themselves can become white people, that is, people whose skin is light but aren’t being toxic or shitty in any way.

    A pretty basic litmus test I’ve found is checking how they feel about American Imperialism. If I say, “Joe Biden belongs in prison for what he did to Iraq” and they agree, then they probably understand on a visceral level that brown people are people. If they argue, that tells me they don’t actually value our lives – because it is fundamentally impossible to care about nonWhite lives and also be ok with any of these genocidal fucks.

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    The only white people i trust are David Gilbert, Judy Clark, and the United Freedom Front people.

    I’ve also met plenty of opportunistic and full of shit non-white activists. Just FYI. don’t get conned.

    But your instincts are correct. Most white people are not to be trusted to varying degrees.

  • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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    I’m going to suggest a new thing called Terminal White Person Syndrome (TWPS) that’s more common among white people. Interpret that how you will.

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      71 year ago

      desperate to avoid dying while still white

      try to cure TWPS with face paint

      condition becomes much more terminal very rapidly

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        TWPS does not have whiteness as a symptom, they just have statistical association due to societal causes. It’s symptoms include colonial thinking, a distinct lack of empathy, and general bigotry. Treatment involves heavy de-colonial therapy (DCT)

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    When a person of color, especially if they’re black like me, affirms their support for causes such as queer liberation, feminism, animal rights, or socialism, I immediately feel that I can believe, with minimal doubt, that they’re truly convicted and principled in what they’re advocating for. However, when a white person claims to support leftism, until my skepticism is proven wrong, I immediately assume they’re a dishonest and performative libshit.

    It depends, I do not trust any person of any race immediately when it comes to topics like LGBT rights or feminism for example. There are many homophobic and sexist people of all races. There are many performative people of all races. People are people, after all. However, when it does come to issues around race, I agree with you. I think most white people simply do not understand the concept of structural racial discrimination as they have no experience with being on the side that gets discriminated against because of their skin colour and/or ethnic group. Obviously there are exceptions, but as a whole Eurocentric thought, which includes white supremacy, has been dominant throughout the past couple of centuries.

    With regards to socialism, I find that in South Africa black people in general tend to have a much better understanding of what socialism is. I would say that is because part of the struggle against apartheid was based on socialism, and people from other racial groups, in general, have been influenced heavily by red scare propaganda or a comparador mindset.

    • Angel [any]OP
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      I absolutely agree with that take. I was raised in a devout Catholic, Afro-Caribbean immigrant family who I had to completely cut ties with due to their very staunch opposition to LGBT people literally just existing.

      One thing I will say, though, is that within the queer community, black queer people certainly tend to treat me better than white queer people do, and that’s for sure. I’ve noticed that white queer people seem to be more likely to have an exclusionary mindset, in having a higher chance of being one of those “LGB drop the T” people but also being racist towards queer people of color. It’s horrifying how their lack of intersectionality can really lead to this kind of behavior.

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        I’ve noticed that white queer people seem to be more likely to have an exclusionary mindset … but also being racist towards queer people of color

        Unfortunately this definitely exists, many white gays that want nothing to do with LGBT+ people of other races. I’ve seen it in South Africa. It’s very sad. As the LGBT+ community, we’re already a minority and further division over racist nonsense is just going to make us weaker and easier to oppress.

  • Greenleaf [he/him]
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    When you grow up white in America, there’s so much that you have to deprogram from your brain before you can even move left. I had some really shitty views as a kid and I know I held to those just because it was coconut tree in which I fell out of. And beyond that, so much of society is geared towards privileging whiteness, you have to actively work to break out of it.

    That said, I am grateful for people in my life who have called me out of stuff and have helped me be better. This is a reminder to all the white folks, if you get called out on something… apologize, understand - actually understand - where you went wrong, and be better.

    • booty [he/him]
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      I wish yakub jokes weren’t made against the rules, nothing makes me laugh more consistently

      rat-salute on the way down

  • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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    Your experiences and opinions are completely justified. I’m white, and white people have a shit ton of unlearning to do by default, as others have mentioned. I’d like to believe that a lot of white leftists genuinely support and believe in progressive, socialist, or communist beliefs/movements, but it takes a lot of work to shift from always viewing everything from a white lens.

    I’ll admit that I was a bit of a shithead until about 7 years ago when I got introduced to new ideas and began to truly listen to other people’s experiences. When you’re growing up in a primarily white suburban bubble, that kind of curbs social development if there isn’t a lot of exposure to other peoples’ and cultures experiences.

    Granted, it is a very common phenomenon that white leftists put on the air of revolutionary thought & rhetoric, but they’re still more white than leftist. A lot of these folks never grow beyond just saying the right things, and the mask can slip off and they’ll show their ass. That does make it difficult to sus out whether a white person is genuine or not, and I’ve run into it plenty of times myself.

  • darkmode [comrade/them]
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    Easy, don’t trust anyone unless they call themselves a communist explicitly. “Progressive” and “leftist” are perverted terms in (assuming your location) Amerika. Oh also if they use MSE u might be able to let your guard down too. Fact of the matter is that most ppl don’t really have a coherent ideology cuz why would they?

    • LaForgeRayBans [he/him, they/them]
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      Yes let us force everyone to identify as a communist, no one has the right to self determination towards political identity or belief! All must conform to the hexbear standard of nonconformity.

      • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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        I mean yeah kinda. Like Joe Biden calls himself progressive, do you feel that’s a useful term at that point? Calling yourself a communist explicitly is the only thing that can’t really be co-opted by the libs, mainly because they’re terrified of being called communists.

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    It is reasonable to have these suspicions. In my everyday life I feel infuriated hearing the racist shit the white people I work with may bring up around me, since they assume that I’ll agree with them since I’m white too. Most of the shit they talk about is their callous obsession with the oppressed migrants at the southern border. If that’s what those people do openly and outwardly express, I can imagine just as well that there are white leftists who have not examined and gotten rid of all their prejudices. It’s reasonable to think they have just used their knowledge of left norms and attitudes to hide it way better than the chuds I see irl. I’d say your vigilance is warranted.

    I hate how the continued existence of these racial hierarchies poison the minds of so many white people, teaching them a multitude of ways to be alienated from their fellow human beings. The task of the left in dismantling these oppressive hierarchies is a Herculean one, requiring massive socioeconomic changes and I at times despair when thinking of its chances of success in the heart of empire during such a turbulent time in human history.

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      Honestly wouldn’t exclude trans men from that. I see that kind of verbage that specifically singles out cis men a lot in trans, lesbian and feminist spaces, i’ve talked and thought like that in the past as well and i’ve found that practically all transmascs that i know personally or that i at least regularly interact with online find it extremely othering and belittling when women pretend that trans dudes are somehow the better men, and it is a gender essentialist notion at its core. I mean, they openly call it transphobic, i’m just being diplomatic here.

      Yes, transmascs have lived experience with misogyny in almost all cases, they can fall back on that experience while they settle into living in a masculine gender role fulltime, but being the better men everybody believes them to be by default takes work on their part. Many put in that work, but it’s a pain in the ass. It isn’t realistic to believe they will automatically keep in mind what it’s like growing up as somebody who’s viewed as a girl in a patriarchal society. And when i hear from the shit early-transition or poorly passing transmascs have to put up with, how often their masculinity is called into doubt, how hard they have to prove themselves, i absolutely find they do go through the exact kind of shit that produces fragile masculinity, toxic masculinity, or just tacit support of misogynist power structures in cis men. There’s an entire propaganda apparatus out there specifically targetting men that struggle to look like gigachad-hd

      And unfortunately, there’s transmascs out there that are just awful, shitty people. Trans men are men. Criticizing men should always include them, and they need to do self crit like every other dude.

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        Trans men are men. Criticizing men should always include them

        Trans-inclusive radical misandry is the giga-based take I needed to hear of today. Thanks!

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        ehhhh, its more that theyre trans than it is that theyre men, i feel like im way more comfortable around trans people in general. i always felt like this sort of argument was a reach

        to surmise: I am a trans supremacist