I totally agree with your outlook and made a pretty similar post to yours a couple minutes ago. My only addition would be some concern as to why it seems like attacks are causing the downtime. The attacks do encourage improvement, but why do it in the first place. I’m hoping bored enthusiasts. At least it wouldn’t be BS corporate attacks trying to eliminate competition.
Now that I’ve found a workable userstyle that gives kbin the same information density as old reddit (Narwhal) it may be time to switch over here. For better or worse kbin’s funding situation seems a bit more ironclad. Also the fact that I can check Lemmy communities and do Mastodon at the same time is pretty attractive.
i prefer this one for reddit theme: kbin familiarity & og post here. also welcome to kbin <3
Yeah, pretty annoying. Probably update related but still…
If you want a fast, stable, and we’ll funded instance, try some of the porn ones.
They’re defederated with many of the instances though
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They even have video uploading enabled.
Can you recommend any that are good? Lemmynsfw seems to only be celebrities and it sucks.
Try pornlemmy.com
Are the porn instances not federated either? Seems like a mistake on their part
The porn instances got defederated by most of the “mainstream” instances, including this one, lemmy.ml.
That strikes me as a bad move, because free porn == user growth
I meant, are they defederated from each other - I have taken a look at lemmynsfw.com and don’t recall seeing any content from pornlemmy.com. Though, I don’t remember what my view settings were at the time do maybe I was just looking at local.
pornlemmy and lemmynsfw are both linked to each other, but there isn’t much content on pornlemmy so far.
You have to be signed in to see the actual porn lol
Only if it’s Furry porn.
There is an instance centered around that actually, though I have no idea the state of it’s stability or funding. I’ve made my account on a more general content furry-themed instance and found it to be pretty well run though, don’t really have any complaints.
Cool.
Move to a new, smaller, instance. You can still use lemmy.world as though it was still running at full speed. You can still post to lemmy.world or other federated communities and you experience won’t be so painful.
Lemmy.world is experiencing an influx of Redditors and with us good Redditors come our awful trolls. Growth, along with DDoS attacks have plagued the site since I began using it.
I wish people would stop using this advice without some caveats. The instance you choose is also about the admins your choosing to have your account under.
I’ll stay on Lemmy.world because I trust the admin there. Any time you jump to a new instance, you better hope it’s run by levelheaded, fair-minded people.
You don’t have to jump to tiny < 100 user instances though, any instance within the top 10 is a good alternative to lemmy.world. If everyone thinks the same as you do, then there would be no point in federation.
Any instance in the top 10 is not a “newer smaller instance.”
Y’know what, you’re right, but in an ideal federated world, it is probably for the best if people branch out further than just the top 10 as well. The instance I’m on probably is not even within the top 50, but it’s fast, performant, and has all my subscriptions. Not sure about the admins, but I also have alts on lemm.ee and sh.itjust.works in case this instance goes bust.
Yeah. There is little reason to sign up on the biggest server since you can see and interact with content from any of the servers.
There’s plenty of reason for a new user, but otherwise agreed. Big instances are training wheels… I say from the biggest kbin instance.
And if the thought of setting up another account annoys you, I’ve made a tool that will migrate your account settings, subscriptions, and blocks: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
Now that does require the source instance to be up long enough to download your profile, but after that you can upload to any instance you want and be running like nothing changed in like 2 minutes.
Thanks for the beautiful tool!
Agreed, and starred.
I am subscribed to nine others.
Have you figured out an efficient way to mirror your community subscription list between them?
I don’t know.
I fouls the perfect instance to match my screen name
Tbh, I kinda like that we have these growing pains. Helps folks leave out older expectations of monolithic profit-oriented social platforms. And actually put some money down to help host the specific niche community they really want to exist.
I’ll probably eat these words later but, as of this moment, I stand by it.
Yeah, this is the fediverse’s way of telling us to break our old habit of piling on a single site and to spread out.
Except…it’s being DDOS’d, so no, it isn’t.
If anything this is basically establishing to everyone out there that if you want to kill an instance or encourage people to move to a different one (with different admins who might have different…“styles”), just DDOS it and promote your alternative instance as a refuge.
I’m sticking with .world because the admins there are chill. Don’t feel like rolling the dice on a new instance where some power mods probably set up shop.
You do you, but I wouldn’t say that lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, sopuli.xyz or reddthat.col are power mods
Particularly sh.itjust.works. They’re letting the community vote on instance rules and the Admin is really chill
A gaming instance would take a lot of load.
Isn’t https://lemmy.zip/ gaming focused?
If you can’t tell from the name it’s not going to work well.
Blahaj is queer focused, but there is no way you can get that from the name
It’s a tumblr meme and IKEA reacted to the association by using the shark as a prop in their pro-gay marriage ads in Switzerland. F1nnster has like twenty in a pile in the background as people keep buying them for him.
I didn’t know blahaj was LGBTQ-related. That’s so fucking cool!
I love IKEA.
along with DDoS attacks
Is lemmy.world getting DDoSed? Who would profit from that? (honest question. I hadn’t read this before.)
DDoS are sometimes just people thinking “because I can”, not necessarily motivated by profit.
A smallish scale service like a lemmy server ran by volunteers seems like an easy target, so it wouldn’t be surprising that being the case.
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It’s mostly DDOS attacks though, not the influx of normal users.
Really? As site_aggregates table getting 1500 rows updated on every single new comment and post local insert is just the tip of the iceberg of how nobody has scrutinized the PostgreSQL performance. Thank you to lemmy.ca last weekend for looking at AUTO_EXPLAIN on their data.
As site_aggregates table getting 1500 rows updated on every single new comment
Is this accurate?
Do you know who runs lemmy.ca, accurate? https://lemmy.ml/post/2502514
Huh? I’m not an instance operator (yet). I was actually asking you a question, does this actually happen? Have you seen this on your own instance?
Was hoping to get some discussion going on this.
Edit: do you have any example logs from your postgres instance demonstrating this?
do you have any example logs from your postgres instance demonstrating this?
I’ve exposed raw data from my PostgreSQL tables. And every single new comment and post you could see +1 going on every known server. I haven’t updated to 0.18.3 yet, so it’s still there: https://lemmyadmin.bulletintree.com/query/raw_site_aggregates?output=table
You can check lemmy.world’s status page to see when it’s down.
Problem is that many times it will say “partial outage” but the website doesnt even work so technically it’s a full outage. I assume it’s to keep the uptime % as high as they can. So that 98.XX% uptime isnt very accurate at all.
What is their motivation about lying about uptime? It isn’t a business with advertisers, it is some dudes hobby server and some people who are donating despite what the uptime percentage is
correct, I dont know if it’s automatic to partial outage and manual trigger to full or how that works in their backend. But almost every time I’ve seen a partial (orange) outage, it’s a full blown outage.
yep, another big outage.
For all the annoyance, a silver lining is that lemmy.world is testing lemmy at a relatively high scale lemmy doesn’t see anywhere else and so aiding in the development of the software and architectural guidelines for instance management.
Yes. These are growing pains. That’s a good thing.
Dude just move to a small, updated instance with good uptime. I joined aussie.zone and its never down plus feels so much snappier.
i tried this, is it normal to never receive the verification email? it says verification sent, i tried 4 diff smaller instances, and its been like 10 hours. i checked the spam too
🤣🤣 its just you dude. I have switched instances multiple times and never had an issue like you described. Try aussie.zone instance
i am not australian but why not lol
edit: meh nvm, dont wanna wait to be accepted. im american anyway,
Doesn’t matter. Even I am not Australian but I am using aussie.zone
I’m not Australian.
Name a more iconic duo, I’ll not wait
Ruggus (a former reddit alternative) and outages.
It was perhaps the single biggest unifying meme among it’s user base that their backend was an absolute dumpster fire ™
Can confirm, my main account and half my subscribed communities are down. Possibly unrelated, but my All is also screwy even though I’m on lemm.ee.
BACK ONLINE! YEY!
As of the time of this comment, now crashing
AGAIN Down
Wow, new:
Latest:
I have accounts on a few instances, and lemm.ee is the quickest and most stable of them all. I don’t know what they’re doing, but it’s great.
Can’t find the post right now but sunaurus said that the main difference is that lemm.ee is the only instance using a horizontal setup, that is, there’s multiple lemmy servers running on multiple servers behind a load balancer, all sharing a database (postgres itself clusters very well). The code isn’t actually made for that so it’s all rather custom and possibly specific to his hoster.
Less technical: sunaurus happens to be a beast of a devop and prolific contributor to the lemmy codebase. As such lemm.ee quite often runs code that’s ahead of the release schedule, addressing stuff that he stumbled across while wearing his sysop hat.
lemdro.id also runs via horizontal scaling behind a load-balancer, soon to expand globally to keep response times down for people everywhere. We’re very resilient :)
I got accounts on lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works and kbin.social. I had one on .world in the beginning, but the performance wasn’t great. Probably too many users.
Probably too many users.
if local.lemmyusers > 15, crash constantly because of PostgreSQL nonsense logic and Rust ORM.
That’s why I use lemm.ee
1993: God, how we would love it if someone could tell us anything was “just that simple”, and then of course when you see a pie chart you go “Oh, a pie chart…”. I mean, it has more religious meaning now than a crucifix to see a pie chart. I mean, because…. why is that so popular? Because it reduces complexity. The complexity is very real but his little soundbites - 1993
@[email protected] - do you know of the history of site_aggregates PostgreSQL table?
no tell me more?
lemmy.ca staff was so frustrated with performance problems a couple weekends ago they cloned a copy of their database Running AUTO_EXPLAIN revealed site_aggregates logic in Lemmy was doing comment = comment + 1 counting against 1500 rows, for every known Lemmy instance in the database, instead of just writing 1 row.
huh?
huh?
Please explain in detail what “huh” means in this context.
As I said in the comment you replied to: do you know of the history of site_aggregates PostgreSQL table?
Not OP, but I feel like it was Huh? as in what the heck are you talking about and why was it a reply to thier comment
Are you just going to make one of these every single time?
Ugh
“Ugh” what?
Because it’s annoying.
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I’m indifferent about it.
