Is this some sort of remnant of evangelical puritan protestant ideology?

I don’t understaun this.

If you ask me, it’d make as much sense as Orthodox and Christians… or Shia and Muslim…

I know not all Christians are Catholics but for feck’s sake…

They’re all Christians to me…

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It’s a U.S thing but this is the sort of things I hear…

https://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Christian.html

I am a Catholic. Why should I consider becoming a Christian?

I now know more distinctions (apparently Catholicism requires duty and salvation is process, unlike Protestantism?) but I still think they’re of a similar branch (Christianity) so I just wonder the social factor

  • @[email protected]
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    101 year ago

    I have to say, the conversations in this thread are both fascinating and informative, while being emblematic of the confusion division the question posed.

    I find religion very interesting because it’s intertwined with history, but in terms of living, atheism is so much easier.

  • kingthrillgore
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    Because some sects of Christianity (mostly Southern Baptist) are fucking insane and spiteful.

    I can maybe understand it if they’re talking about UUs. Speaking as one, we’re not entirely sure what the hell we are either. We’re in committee trying to figure that out. </self_deprecating_joke>

    • @[email protected]
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      Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"
      He said, "Nobody loves me."
      I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
      He said, "Yes."
      I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
      He said, "A Christian."
      I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
      He said, "Protestant."
      I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
      He said, "Baptist."
      I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
      He said, "Northern Baptist."
      I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
      He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
      I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
      He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
      I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
      He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.
      I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
      

      -Emo Philips

  • @[email protected]
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    You are correct, Catholics are a subset of Christianity… But similarly how people assume a “doctor” is a medical practitioner, Christians has become the informal name for “Protestant” or “evangelicals”

    Basically “Christians” tend to mean, anything not “Catholic” (which is old school, visibly indistinguible from others in the Christendom)

    • @[email protected]
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      Basically “Christians” tend to mean, anything not “Catholic”

      This is insanity. This is a purely American thing.

    • @[email protected]
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      But if Eastern Orthodox counts as “Christian” while Catholicism doesn’t, that destroys the reasoning. If Eastern Orthodox doesn’t count, then you’re just referring to Protestants.

      I don’t think there’s any explanation other than anti-Catholic bias, Protestants just want to claim their way of doing Christianity is the only way.

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        I don’t really know all the details dude… My answer was just based on observations I have made in America (north and south)

        I do not think Eastern Orthodox counts as “Christians” either btw

        In any case, there may be no logical reason as I believe it is just a matter of misuse of the terms… Exactly how an “American” is interpreted as “from the USA” and not “from any country in the American continent” which is actually the meaning

  • @[email protected]
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    They mean Catholics and Protestants but they’re morons and their religious leaders have convinced them that Catholics are somehow not Christians.

  • PirateJesus
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    Jesse, WTF are you talking about

    I’ve never heard the phrase Catholic and Christians before. Catholic vs Protestant maybe.

    • @[email protected]
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      61 year ago

      I worked with a Southern Baptist guy who legitimately thought Catholic aren’t real Christians.

      I have no idea how he thought Southern Baptism is somehow more Christian than the much much older version.

    • @[email protected]
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      I might quibble about the Catholic Church being the “original” church since Catholicism only came about after Theodosius I made Christianity the official religion of the Roman state in 380. You could argue that Catholicism started a bit earlier under Constantine I at the First Ccouncil of Nicaea in 325, which is when the Roman state started to consolidate the various early Christian beliefs under an official “catholic” orthodoxy. The word “catholic” literally means “including a wide variety of things”. The point being that there was already a wide variety of Christian sects prior to the Council of Nicaea.

      The Protestant argument against Catholicism boils down to the belief that the Catholic Church is a corrupted Christianity, not that it is non-Christian. And there is some truth to that. The pre-Nicaean churches were free-wheeling spiritualists with a wide variety of beliefs, but that all changed when the Roman state decided to create an orthodox, singular religion under its control. Protestants argue that this adaptation of religious belief to the needs of maintaining state power is the original corruption of the Catholic Church.

      Now, two key facts influenced the early history of Roman Catholicism:

      1. The Roman state recognized the descendants of Caesar, the Emperors, as the Pontifex Maximus, or head priest, of the Roman state. They also required that everyone adhere to the cult of the Emperor. This was purely ritualistic and was meant as a bulwark to the power of the state.

      2. The vast majority of the Empire’s citizens were pagan.

      Because of #1, the Roman Emperor became the head of the newly formed Catholic Church, which was a unification of Church and State. This is called Caesaropapism, and is also why the Catholic Church retains a hierarchical structure to this day and its seat is still located in the heart of the Western Roman Empire. The Pope is the spiritual successor of the Western Roman Emperor.

      Because of #2, Catholicism is highly ritualistic, like paganism, and early Catholicism adopted the worship of saints, which are basically small gods. Saint worship was the bridge between paganism and Christianity.

      During the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, Luther and others made the point that the union of state power with Christianity was a corruption of “original” pre-Catholic Christianity, which was more spiritually-oriented and valued personal conviction over state orthodoxy. Interestingly, the split between Protestantism and Catholicism in Europe also more or less follows the geographic outline of the Western Roman Empire, with southern Europe largely retaining Catholicism and northern Europe largely adopting Protestantism. This implies a political dimension to the schism, not just a religious one. England is the odd man out here because their response to the schism was to create the Church of England, which is basically Catholicism without the Pope, substituting the English monarch as the head of the Church and toning down the saint worship.

      The great irony of any Protestant movement that craves Christo-fascist state power is that they are advocating to become the very evil they swore to destroy back in the 1500s.

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        Many protestant churched consider themselves churches of Christ, Catholicism is the church of Paul, and isn’t strictly monotheistic, trinitarianism and unitarianism aside. They pray to beings other than God as a matter of course. Anglicanism and Orthodox are the same religion as Catholicism. Most of the protestant churches are not. Then you have stuff like Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses which are a different thing again, if you call those Christian, then Islam is Christian (Jesus is an important prophet in Islam) but no one would say that.

        • Beemo Dinosaurierfuß
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          Catholicism is the church of Paul, and isn’t strictly monotheistic, trinitarianism and unitarianism aside.

          That is just plain wrong, no two ways about it.

          To me it sounds like you listened to some protestant that doesn’t care much for the catholic church and just repeat his rant without questioning it much.

          And don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t care less about christian infighting. I was just curious about the reasoning how the catholic church, which is one of the oldest and most “original” christian churches, could be considered not christian at all.
          After your post I don’t believe there is much basis to this claim at all.

            • Beemo Dinosaurierfuß
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              So by your own claim you are part of the polytheistic church of Paul?
              That just is not catholicism.
              Which is so easy to prove because the catholics love to write down their many rules.

              So I honestly would just answer right back at you:

              FFS read a book.

              And btw, while I have been an atheist for many years now, I was raised strictly catholic in a highly religious area by my catholic family that included a catholic nun and the headmaster of a catholic school and I intensively studied christianity before I made my break with this religion.

              You can’t bullshit me.

              • @[email protected]
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                11 year ago

                Oh look. An atheist that thinks he’s clever but doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. How original.

        • livus
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          This sounds like a semantic backflip.

          Catholics themselves see themselves as Christian and since they are the largest Christian denomination, saying they aren’t is just No True Scotsman.

            • livus
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              Maybe in your part of the world, not in mine. Christians normally just say Christian unless they’re trying to recruit you (they are less than half the population).

              Anyway that’s like saying if you ask me what my meal is and I say “steak” that means it’s somehow not meat because I was specific about the kind of meat.

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    just about every christian I know sees other sects and offshoots as a separate religion. it’s very sneech-like.

  • @[email protected]
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    141 year ago

    Because religion is all about dividing people into arbitrary groups. Catholicism is a specific type of dogmatic Christian theology

  • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]
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    Because the Anglosphere was so xenophobic that even the Irish and Italians were too culturally exotic to them and thus demonized their entire belief system.

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    Catholics believe in a religious hierarchy, Cardinals, bishops, Pope e.t.c.

    Christians USUALLY think hierarchy in religion is almost blasphemous. But really it’s just so they can kinda just do whatever the fuck they want and not worry about the Pope excommunicating them.

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]
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    Because America is built by non-catholic faiths composed of heretics that love to burn women alive, abusers that craft abusive personality cults in hills-have-eyes country, false prophet grifters who tell you god’s gonna cure your terminal ilness if you help them get a private jet for their dogs, the hate-worshiping demons that blight the south ‘evangelicals’ that drive modern american politics, and misogynistic polytheistic pagans wearing the Christian mask while dressed in their weird underwear and tell you you’re not allowed to drink coffee but monster energy drinks are a-okay, who all want to be acknowledged as the real Christian faith instead of being labeled as schismatic protestants and chose to go with the common moniker “catholics & christians” instead of “catholics and protestants”

    • JackGreenEarth
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      11 year ago

      I mean a lot of Christianity in the US is like that, but I don’t like you implying that there’s another type of Christianity (presumably the one you believe in) that’s so much better.