Folks, I have finally figured it out.
Have a baby.
Since having a baby a week ago, all of a sudden everyone is willing to install a decent messaging app in order to receive pics of the baby.
We explained that we weren’t ready for images of our child to end up in the wrong hands via non-private apps. Another thing was telling them that the one single friend who had already got on board with this had already been recieving pics…
It’s been a conversation starter for many and I think seeing privacy from the point of view of a newborn has helped our family and friends understand it a bit more easily. Plus they’ve had to put up with it if they want any photos, so they will see it working firsthand.
So, if you want to have a baby, know that it can be a wonderful opportunity to help loved ones communicate more privately.
It also increases the sum total of love, community and compassion in the world and in your own life but that’s a conversation for another community :)
Edit: If anyone has good tips on how to share a little one’s journey more privately with those that care about them, please post them in the discussion.
If anyone has good tips on how to share a little one’s journey more privately with those that care about them, please post them in the discussion.
Signal has stories 🙂
Anti Commercial AI thingy
So, xmpp or matrix ?
We’re using Session with friends and family because I think it works most reliably with people who use apple devices out of the box. We use Jami for each other because it’s p2p (distributed) and endorsed by the FSF. I set up Jami on my mum’s phone too. You can use your own push notification provider with it or simply let it run in the background if you want to run your phone without google or apple servers but still want instant notifications for messages and voice calls. Jami is the app I would most like to see succeed. I believe you can also use it on internal networks, which is a pro in terms of independence future-proofing
Thanks, I didn’t know about these two !
Literally just don’t.
It’s 2024, don’t lead horses to water. Just live your life and check out.
If they want to connect, tell them where you choose to be. Compromise is for babies.
Also git fetch, git pull & git push every once in a while please
Very once in a while.
I found this approach to be highly effective. Not being preachy, just this is what I use. If you want to contact me great. And then be a interesting and dynamic person that they want to talk to.
I’ve got email, or you can talk to me on signal… So I’m not being unreachable, but I’m not installing WhatsApp. I’m not being preachy, and most people, more or less, will install it to talk to you if you’re interesting, and they have things to talk to you about
I’m imagine your granpa with f-droid and simpleXchat, fuckyeah you are a genious
Lol Grandpa is even more of a technogrouch than I am and won’t even have a phone! Grandma OTOH is already using jami on her gentoo installation.
That is very cool. If I may ask, does she tinker with her Gentoo system?
Some people are actually interested in seeing pictures of someone else’s baby?
Yes, that’s how it works with people who have families. They usually want to see their new relative.
Everyone is being polite, while we are the only ones who are amazed by our newborns 😀
Everyone is a winner!
Nah they really like it, it’s making me feel like a weird uncaring sociopath that I’m just really not that interested in the multiple daily photos, but the rest of us around the person sharing can’t seem to get enough of it. I don’t know why I don’t care so much, I’ve met the kid and they’re nice enough, I hope I’m someone they’ll be glad to have in their lives and form an affection for but you can’t really convincingly fake intense interest and emotional investment and much as I’d like it to be, that just isn’t my natural reaction. I like to think if I have ever have kids it’d be different otherwise the poor kid would have to deal with someone totally uninterested for the rest of their lives.
No but it is the propper thing to say/do
Yep. This works pretty well.
Got the whole family to convert to signal by using kid photo sharing as a catalyst.
i hope signal becomes the “go-to” app in near future in europe because i’m sick of using whatsapp
They should make the default settings on for keeping a username for connecting to each other and number hidden
yup but normies don’t care about safety and privacy
I would be furious if a different app that required Android or iOS to use became the norm. Have a Linux phone, a KaiOS phone, or no phone? Too bad.
Genius idea. Is there an app that reverses a vasectomy and twenty years of aging? But seriously, this idea has got legs, I love it. Congrats with your baby. Have you made a Facebook account for them yet?
Haha. Thanks :)
No, if they want a facebook account they will have to wait until they are 18!
I’m not arguing with your parenting style or saying you’re doing it wrong etc etc, I agree with it in theory but I’d like to share my younger sisters story.
My mum decided she couldn’t have social media until she was “old enough” to protect her, this however caused her to end up getting a secret phone and create secret social media accounts. This eventually led to her being cyber bullied by students at her school who’s parents were less cautious. But because she was doing all of this secretly as her mum had said no to social media, she didn’t feel like she could get the support she needed. Fortunately she had an older brother who could help her, but I couldn’t go to the school for her as I’m not her guardian.
I personally after this would lean into the world of not necessarily supervised social media usage, but educating and cautioning what it means to post on social media. How it will never go away and when it’s there, it’s there forever.
My sister fully understands this now and is doing alot better, but ultimately the damage is done.
I fully understand the point of view of no social media until 18, I just want you to be aware of potential consequences of being strict on it.
I’ve heard of people having success.eiyh setting up an account for the family pet and friending their kids and friends before they are old enough to understand the concept of sharing online.allows you to keep tabs on them unobtrusively and can obviously deactivate or defined as appropriate when they age.
Hopefully though, I stead, you’ll teach them how to use privacy controls to not allow you to see, when they are old enough that it’s appropriate.
I don’t think you can really control kids after 12-13. If they really want something or their friends are all doing something then they can figure it out at that age, whether it’s the internet or drugs or whatever
Even if they don’t create a secret account, they get left out of groups, and probably mocked because everyone else is doing it. Not being able to do things that everyone else does when you’re a kid sucks. My wife and I were just talking a couple nights ago about how we’re glad we didn’t have to deal with that with our kid. We probably would have said no, which would have caused our kid some issues for sure.
6402373705728000 is a lot
Indeed
Damn of all the times to be an antinatalist… I guess it’s Messenger 🤢 video chats with my family for the foreseeable future
We are all antenatal my friend.
Lol nice
Who’s down to make babies?
Personally this would be the exact reason that would stop me from signing up for a new messaging service.
Yes, your baby is special and amazing. To you.
There’s no signup involved for the apps we’re using - you just download them and share IDs with people (you can even choose to add only people who don’t have kids). Worth checking out:
Based. This is something I may do down the road since it may be the only way I can get my friends and family on Signal.
I usually phrase it as “it’s one more app on your phone and it doesn’t ask you for anything, it’s really not that big of an ask”.
Could I simply purchase a baby?
You Can!
Stores are called Adoption Agencies.
Congrats!Just be careful with the return policy, if your past the 60 day window it locks in a multi year contract.
Ugh, everything is a subscription service now. Even babies!
Not sure, but I’m sure you could hire one on a barter basis. Offer to cook a few meals and change a few nappies.
You might want to start with a lease, with the option to buy out, or trade-in, after the original terms are up.
Interesting story. t y for sharing. And what did you push this crowd of people into ? :) Signal, Matrix, XMPP, Briar, Session ?
Signal is the only thing I advocate. Everything else has a really high bar for nontechnical people.
Jami and Session are as simple as copying and pasting an ID; no more complex than email in reality. But it is a sign of how deeply set in our ways we are that even that can seem arcane when you first use it. Signal does make it extremely easy/familiar.
I really like both Session and Jami’s ability to add contacts by scanning each others qr codes too.
I think as more people start using these apps they will feel more familiar and less daunting. I think that really it’s a familiarity thing.
We got them using Session. My girlfriend and I currently use Jami for text/calls/files but I found that Session worked more reliably with my friend who uses an iphone, so we went with that. So far so good!
In case you don’t already know, to make voice calls with Session you have to enable it in the settings. I also recommend changing the theme from the stock ‘bio-hazard’ one!
I thought signal is better than session, they’re basically the same but signal has a larger userbase.
Signal feels like you’re still using a texting app. Session feels like a modern (post-2000) messenger.
Doesn’t seem like a big deal, but people react to it.
Yes I think Session is in fact based on Signal but it has implemented some other technologies like a distributed network, as opposed to Signal’s, which I believe is centralised. There’s also some blockchain stuff involved, which I normally find a turnoff but I’m not an expert. Rob Braxman has a good review of it on YouTube and Odysee.
Only the texting side of Session is decentralized. Everything else goes through Oxen’s servers.
