Use Splenda, fool!
i hate when i go down south and go to restaurants and order iced tea and get a glass of concentrated sugar water
diabetus by L Ron Hubbard
I have never been in a place in the South where they don’t serve gays
It would dissolve you just have to be more patient!
You couldn’t make it the disgusting super saturated diabetes juice like they do in the south without heating it though. Mr ‘Im not racist but…’ is actually right about that.
Is it actually super saturated? Those solutions tend to rather unstable, though I’ve never played around with a super saturated sugar solution before.
Saturated at 100℃ is 490gms per 100mls or about 40 pounds per gallon. Most recipes call for 1 pound (2 cups) per gallon. A lot of people will double or triple that, but for it to be supersaturated at 0℃ you would still need about 15 pounds, so even taking it from boiling to iced, most people won’t be supersaturating it.
Are you talking about 490g per 100ml or 490 gram meter seconds per 100 milliliter seconds?
😂 Oops. g per mL 😂
Sweet tea usually has 2 cups (400 grams) of sugar per gallon (some “real southerners” use more… a lot more)- so a 16 ounce glass (11 ounces of liquid, accounting for ice) will have (at least) 34.37 grams of sugar (about the same as a coke). A sugar packet has 2-4 grams of sugar. So, if you get the small ones, you’d need to sit there an open and pour about 17 packets of sugar.
They will dissolve. The saturation limit for sugar in 0℃ water is 180 grams per 100ml. There are 29.57ml per ounce, so 325.27ml in 11oz. 180gm * 3.2527= 585.486gm. So, you can dissolve 585.486 grams of sugar (or 292 sugar packets) in 11 ounces of 0℃ water.
You could do more if it were boiling- 490g of sugar can dissolve in 100ml of boiling water, so 490 * 3.2527 = 1593.823 grams or 796 sugar packets in 11 oz of water, but honestly, that seems excessive, even for the south.
In Arkansas, the standard is a cup and a half per gallon unless you’re at a restaurant with a majority of black employees. Then it’s two cups per gallon. I agree with the op on adding sugar to cold unsweetened tea. Fucking Yankee heathens.
Or, you know, don’t add sugar at all. Iced tea doesn’t need it.
When you stop guzzling that sort of syrupy sludge drinks start becoming refreshing. They quench your thirst instead of making you want to grab some pork rinds and a side of insulin.
Nah. Take your Yankee heathen shit elsewhere.
Lawl. There was a point somewhere in that rant. I went to university in the South and I do miss the food on occasion.
Well that explains the diabeetus.
Would love to see an updated graph. I feel like everyone gained 50lbs in the last three years.
Sugar should be heavily taxed, it’s so dangerous at rates of more than 10 grams a day
I don’t doubt the number, that means 0.5l soda is 5 times the daily rate!
And when you drink sugar free, your body still crave the sugar.
I recently lost 100lbs partially thanks to Diet Mountain Dew, Mountain Dew Zero, and a world of sugar free energy drinks. I also gained 40 lbs of muscle mass.
Note that I gained much of the weight due to major medical issues which left me bedridden for an extended period of time (years). I don’t have the fastest metabolism in the world, so it took a lot of work to melt the pounds off. I could not have done it without diet soda/energy drinks.
The only reason researchers been able to determine for diet soda not contributing to weight loss/“fat” disease prevention is that (current studies are showing) we (consciously or subconsciously) attempt to replace those missing calories with more sugar, rather than cutting back. While there have been studies on the effects of artificial sweeteners on insulin production, etc. they are mostly inconclusive.
If you are shooting for a low carb/low calorie diet, a good diet soda is a safe choice. Don’t let others make you miserable. Just make sure you aren’t pulling in extra calories elsewhere.
Regardless of what type of diet you follow, remember that weight loss boils down to calories out > calories in. Most of your calories come from carbs, so taking on a more active lifestyle with a high protein/low carb diet will ultimately help you lose weight and build muscle mass. Just don’t skimp on the protein (you want most of your calories to come from protein) because you will also be burning some muscle mass unless you actively try to prevent it. Keep a food journal and write down everything you eat/drink. Some dietary choices you make without realizing may surprise you.
Cool thanks for the tip!
Now if only i could sallow diet drinks
Have you tried coke zero? I can’t stand diet coke but I like coke zero well enough
its the aspartame any thing with that will cause my throat to fill with thick mucus after just a few ounces. I used to drink big red zero since it use splenda and that was fine.
I lost 70 pounds over about four months last year primarily via calorie counting. I know it’s anecdotal, but I absolutely felt hungrier after the same meal if I had a diet soda with it compared to an unsweetened iced tea, or even an iced tea with a sugar packet or two. It’s great that you have the willpower to stick to the rest of your diet regardless, but there is definitely a reason people recommend cutting it out to make it easier to follow a plan.
It should be taxed on the corporate side. Taxing sugar on the consumer side becomes a poor tax, because poor people will still want sweets from time to time, making those treats now more and more expensive. Well off people will just accept the tax because it’s marginal to them, but when your chocolate bar that you treat yourself to once a week goes from 1.29 to 3.29, then it really fucks your day up.
What should be done is incentives to provide less sugar/glucose-fructose on the product side and encourage companies to make snacks and beverages that have less sugar content.
Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on? Obviously if this is a megacorp, they could spread it out over unrelated products, but in the end its not like theyll roll over, take the corporate tax and leave the product at the old price. Is it being a poor tax even that bad of a thing? This is not a necessity and poor people are generally going to be the ones that suffer from poor diet / lifestyle choices in very big part due to the price/calorie aspect of junkfood et al. Lets be real, if you buy a bar once a week, 1.29->3.29 is not a big deal.
Also, we do have tax on sugarry soft drinks in the EU (atleast my country), it is just laughably small compared to EtOH and tobacco). I personally always have thought that anything with added sugar beyond a certain amount should get a heavy tax, conditional on this tax being funneled into healthcare / public health programs.
Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on?
Not necessarily, companies might just stop putting sugar where it doesn’t belong. They do it right now because corn syrup is free and why don’t just put it everywhere.
Their response also irrespective of which party gets taxed because the tax incidence is the same either way.
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I wanted to like stevia when I first tried it, but I find it has a chemical taste, maybe leftover solvents from the extraction process. But it tastes like aspartame to me, which also tastes awful.
I’d be happy with just less sugar used. Shit doesn’t need to be so sweet.
It doesn’t make a difference which side you tax. If consumers are taxed then corporations will still feel it through reduced demand for their product. If corporations are taxed, consumers will still feel it through increased prices. The tax burden does not depend on who is taxed, but rather how elastic supply and demand are.
It sure makes a difference to the people buying it, that’s the point
It literally doesn’t. The price is the same either way. Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices. This is really basic microeconomics.
From Wikipedia: “tax burden does not depend on where the revenue is collected, but on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply”
Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices.
I have never once seen this happen… i just see prices rise
Do you actually think that 100% a tax burden will always fall on consumers?
Agreed. Though either way the price of heavily sugared stuff would go up
yes.
Whoa settle down there
Sucrose is 1:1 glucose/ fructose which is near the optimal 0.8 ratio for fueling endurance activities
I rode 100 miles solo in less than 5 hours Sunday on 360g sucrose in 4 750ml bottles
It’sa lot cheaper than all that fancy SIS/skratch etc
Carbs aren’t poison if you move your body
If you paid twice as much for the sugar, would it materially impact you?
At this point in my life no. When I was young, for sure
Yeah I consume near 400g carbs every day and am fine as a competitive powerlifter who also runs (which is rare lol). You just can’t be sitting on your ass all day.
The issue is how much hidden sugar there is, especially in the US. Just look at how many things include stuff like corn syrup when it isn’t all that necessary.
Sure, but so few people are high energy athletes who can legitimately burn the sugar right away.
My comment was really about the great majority of people for whom sugar consumption is a path to metabolic disease, diabetes, and early death
I still support a tax on sugar as it would reduce consumption overall, but for those wealthy enough to exercise hard a sugar tax would hardly hurt
Wealthy enough to exercise? Wtf?
Ain’t even going there
It’s probably a U shaped curve where you can devote (or have to devote) significant time to exercise at very low incomes, but it becomes harder at working poor sort of levels, then easy again at a certain level above poverty
That is really just a map of poverty.
Hawaii doesn’t check out, but they do look very similar
Meh, its not a perfect correlation (and the time series for the poverty map and the diabetes map are different), but most chronic diseases tend correlate with poverty pretty well. You should look at a map of obesity. It follows the same form.
Nah, that’s actually a my bad for not getting my point across. Looking back on my comment: I know I was trying to commend you, but I must’ve gave up on trying, because it fell completely flat (Not to just you, but to me too when I reread my reply). Dunno where my head was when I posted it, but I can see that I stopped trying at some point and just hit “send”
The reason I commented to your post at all was because my first reaction was, “holy shit, that’s so specifically accurate and funny at the same time… how was this person seeing a fucking heat map, and able to respond with their own map, that is both wildly accurate and hilarious, given the context”.
So I scoured the maps, because I wanted to commend you and also try and be as witty. Hawaii was one of the only (obvious) differences I could find (which makes sense when talking about diabetes and poverty)… but then idk what I did. Just literally gave up on being clever and posted a “spot the difference” comment
So yeah, doesn’t much matter in the grand scheme of things, but I still wanted to let ya know just in case… I thought your comment of the map was surprisingly astute, and I was kinda flabbergasted that it seemed like you just had that on standby. Like you were just waiting for this moment your whole freaking life, and then pulled that very specifically accurate map out of your ass, as soon as it was relevant.
My comment fell flat on it’s face, because it truly couldn’t be topped. And I think I must’ve gotten distracted and gave up on my response, because the only thing I really wanted to convey was… fucking brava my friend. That was some S-tier shit you dropped; and so casually too. It wasn’t necessarily news to me, but hot damn if it wasn’t quick.
My original comment should’ve just been “you win” or some shit like that, but I failed on both ends to get that across
So very much so… holy hell friend bwahahahaha!!! Well fucking done (and pardon my language). But that was the very definition of “under-rated comment” to me. My applause to you
I’m going to look at how poverty is defined. You just gave me an idea for my grad school program.
Apparently it’s defined by your blood sugar 🤷♂️
screw you for getting it right
Sweet tea is extremely common up north. Wtf you talking about?
Of course we have sweet tea, but they are from the South, so being stupid comes naturally for them.
They aren’t from where I’m from. They are all stupid, racist, idiots, bad. OK man. I’m sure you’re the only one with the right perspective on the world.
https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075
Least educated states:
41 Texas
42 New Mexico
43 Kentucky
43 Nevada
45 Oklahoma
46 Alabama
47 Arkansas
48 Louisiana
49 Mississippi
50 West Virginia
https://us-inequality.sdgindex.org/rankings
Most racist states:
41 Arkansas
42 Wisconsin
43 Missouri
44 Alabama
45 West Virginia
46 Ohio
47 Illinois
48 Louisiana
49 Pennsylvania
50 Indiana
https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-states-in-the-us
Most dangerous states:
Alaska New Mexico Tennessee Arkansas Arizona Louisiana Missouri South Carolina South Dakota Michiganhttps://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/healthiest-states
Least healthy states:
Ohio
South Carolina
Oklahoma
Louisiana
Tennessee
Arkansas
Alabama
Kentucky
Mississippi
West Virginia
Looks to like the South might not hold a monopoly on stupidity, but they sure as fuck are disproportionately well represented on all the worst lists one can think of. That’s not opinion. That’s fact.
Ya I’m calling bullshit on some of this. Plus, do you really need to put others, and even places you’re not from, to make yourself feel better? That’s extremely smart, healthy, doesn’t lump groups of people into one, and definitely not a dangerous mentality to have. You’re doing great buddy.
Damn that’s some bad English. You’re just proving him right!
Great job assuming I live in the south. I really don’t care. Doesn’t matter where you live, there are idiots everywhere. You guys are proving me right.
Bless your heart
Hey look! Bigotry being upvoted in a post condemning bigotry. Shocker.
Texas Roadhouse and whatever is in the gas station cooler do not count.
In case anyone needs it, Texas Roadhouse serves proper sweet tea, brewed hot, put over ice, all that. It’s kinda their gimmick.
I am not even referring to that. Sweet tea was never a southern thing, they just claimed it as theirs for no good reason. My grandmother makes her own, her grandmother made her own and they only ever lived in the North. I been to friends houses where their parents made it. This was in PA and NJ. I personally hate tea so I would get offered it and turn it down all the time.
Well, it’s the gays or atheists. Or “colored” people. Or whoever they are told to hate at that moment. This happens more than you know in this day and age:
Surprised you forgot “people who might be transgender (wE cAn AlWaYs TeLl)”
Of course they can tell, how else are they going to pick their preferred partners to cheat on their wives with.
I’m preemptively not serving gardeners or lawyers just to stay ahead of the curve.
I’m swinging back in the other direction and refusing to serve rednecks and people with navy suits and red ties.
I play tennis and don’t serve against gay people. They make me feel funny with their passionate moaning. /s
😂 😂 🤣
I mean… lawyers are pretty terrible. Case in point: most of Congress are lawyers.
hmm. most of lawyers are not in congress. BUT. most lawyers are not to be trusted.
I’ve lived in the deep south for over 40 years in small towns, and have never witnessed a single instance of any minority being denied service at any establishment.
Has anyone reading this actually ever seen that happen in real life?
It might be because you aren’t a visible minority that you haven’t witnessed it, you don’t notice it happening because it’s not on your radar that it could happen.
This is anecdotal but I have seen this as a gay man living in Ohio. My whole family is from the sticks but I live just outside a major city now. There’s a pizza place back home that my fiance and I can’t go to because they won’t serve him (he is, admittedly, quite fabulous). I can go alone, because I blend in, but him they will just quietly ignore and occasionally glance over to check if he’s gotten the hint yet. No yelling, no epithets, but no service either.
I don’t think that’s homophobia as much as rude staff who ignore people who aren’t assertive. I’m not stereotypically gay/flamboyant but get ignored a lot in restaurants and stores because I’m somewhat quiet when I’m alone.
Nope, what Prussia_X86 said sounds very much like homophobia. They won’t serve his flamboyant fiance because he looks and acts “gay”, and if they knew that Prussia_X86 was gay they wouldn’t serve him either. While not all gays are as flamboyant as that his fiance sounds like, plenty are, and while not all flamboyant men aren’t gay (or even attracted to men among other genders), a good chunk are. There’s a reason a lot of people assume that flamboyant men are gay, and it’s because a lot of them are.
What I’m saying is that there isn’t a reason to assume that’s why they were ignoring him.
While I appreciate where you’re coming from, I can assure you that, in this scenario, it was very much a case of homophobia. Unless everyone there grew new personalities at the same time that I came out.
Idk that’s fair. But there is a big difference between how people treat others that I see and how they treat me at some restaurants.
Sad to hear these stories, but I did ask for it. I can’t discount your experience because mine is as anecdotal as yours.
I hope these stories are rare though, and I also hope that anyone who does experience any of these kinds of discrimination will put the businesses “on blast” as the kids say by posting their experiences on social media to give them the stink that they deserve.
Thanks, I didn’t realize it happened either until one day it happened to me. Then it happened again, and again. Not frequent, and not always as tangible as being denied pizza, but little things here and there in the way people look at me and treat me that only started happening after I came out. I have yet to experience any actual violence, but the general vibe is such that I don’t feel comfortable being out and am considering moving to a more friendly state.
Yep. I grew up in the mountains of NC. When I was a kid, the mayor of our town was the head of the local KKK sect. Needless to say, non-white people were generally not found in that town.
Attitudes did change over the following years, so that was nice.
I grew up in FL and was denied service 2 separate times for being mixed race. This occurred in the early 2000s. Both times the restaurants were subtlety segregated and they refused to seat us in either section.
I am not from the deep south but close enough. I haven’t seen anything like what people online seem to think it’s like around here, it’s overly exaggerated. That’s not to say discrimination doesn’t ever happen, I’m sure there’s pockets here and there. I personally don’t know a single person who is ok with that crap.
Stay in the cities (50k and up), its the small in-between towns that can get bad. Bigger the better
No thanks, my town has less than 6000 population, and I can easily afford my mortgage on my house that sits on an acre of land. It’s nice being my own landlord, and I can do whatever the fuck I want here.
Are people in your town nice to gay colored atheists? The only small town I’ve been to like that is Provincetown, and it’s not particularly cheap.
Some of them yes, some of them no probably. I don’t know very many people here, because I simply don’t give a fuck about going around meeting people.
I would say there is most likely no business in this town that would turn away any minority, because bigotry is widely recognized as being bad for business. Every store or restaurant that I’ve visited had a diverse clientele.
Now that’s a person that has heard, “Bless your heart.”
Also are we going to talk about the fact that I’ve never heard anyone outside of the south pronounce pecan as “pee-can?”
As a northerner, I’ve never heard pee-can either. I think it’s a straw man for southerners
What? Canada pronounces it “pee-can” instead of “peh-cawn”.
Up against the wall!
I’m not talking about that far North.
Yeah, we follow the pronunciation rules of English. What pronunciation rules does “peh-cawn” follow?
we follow the pronunciation rules of English
Where are those?
You know that warehouse at the end of Indiana Jones Raiders of the Lost Arc with all the crates? We’ve got one in an unspecified location with the best quality maple syrups, rare cheese curds to use in top end poutines, and the good golden curling stones.
How else are you supposed to pronounce it?
Puh - kahn
That is madness
✋ I’m not from the south and I pronounce it pee-can along with everyone I know
Pee-kin
we really need to get some linguists on Lemmy because i miss communities like r/fauxnetics
this is why they should just teach IPA in schools lol whats the point of these phonetic spellings when the point is that many dialects of english pronounce the same word differently
OP was probably talking about /'pi.cæn/ as in “can of beans” compared to /pɪ’can/ as in “con man”. they altered “pee” even though that part sounds nearly the same! probably because a Pee Can is a funny image.
Sugar will dissolve in unsweet tea, it’s just slower. If you can’t dissolve it in cold tea, then it wouldn’t stay in solution in hot tea that was cooled down.
For someone complaining about northerners not knowing 9th grade chemistry, it sure sounds like they weren’t paying attention themselves.
You’re technically correct, but completely missing the point that folks want to be able to actually drink it a reasonably short time after it’s been served.
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Well it kinda is with the ice in there. Then by the time the ice is gone, the tea is watered down and you’re basically just drinking sugar water
Chemistry knowledge! Sweet tea is actually a supersaturated solution. That means there more sugar in the water than could normally be held in suspension. This is achieved by heating the water so you can dissolve more solute in and then chilling it. Remember theres at least 2 diabetes worth of sugar per glass.
Masshole that lives in the south I have no idea how everyone I know isn’t on insulin. Sweet tea is an abomination of sugar.
When I lived in the south, everyone I knew was
Indeed, give em a few years.
I highly doubt that, since any shock or impurity would cause a supersaturated solution to separate into a solution and the excess sugar.
I thought a supersaturated solution could easily be brought out of supersaturation by something like sticking a spoon in it? Am I misremembering?
It depends on the nature of the solution.
That’s kind of disgusting. So southern style sweet tea is basically just tea flavored simple syrup?
Depends on who makes it… McDonald’s, 7-11, and the like use about twice the amount of sugar that’s really necessary and it does not make it better.
Yes, yes it is. To be fair, what do you think soda is though?
According to Wikipedia:
it is not unusual to find sweet tea with a sugar level as high as 22 degrees Brix, or 22 g per 100 g of liquid, a level twice that of Coca-Cola."
Coca-Cola already has a disgusting amount of sugar. The mere idea of this makes me queasy.
Yeah, I don’t like my sweet tea like that, but I’ve been to people’s houses that it’s just diabetes in a glass.
That’s stupid sweet but not supersaturated though. Saturated would be ~200g per 100g of water.
Where did you get that? It would be like honey if that was correct. Also, that is not called suspension but solution, since the particles dissolve (unlike fat in milk, but that is an emulsion since the fat is a liquid).
Lemmy is now getting reposts. We’ve reached critical mass!
I don’t see the point of having reposts here, not like there’s visible karma or anything.
Also, I loved you in that thing!
Reposts aren’t just because of karma whoring. It can be a crosspost or someone saw it and just thought it was funny and wanted to share it to a community they liked.
You may also be one of the first 10,000 today too.
Very true. Maybe it’s better to say that I don’t think repost are a problem here yet, and I don’t expect it to be due to the lack of visible karma.
Or simply because not everyone sees every single post and knows it’s a repost…
Where did you find it in the first place?
Do you not know of the internet repost database? It’s a repository of all posts ever made to every website. You’re supposed to go to it every time you want to post something.
It’s over here… In my basement. It also has cookies.
So you’re saying you want me to come over to your basement, eat cookies and browse memes? I’m in.
And if it’s the first time you’ve seen that xkcd link, congratulations, you are one of today’s meta-10000
Perhaps the real tea is the shitposts we made along the way.
Maybe the amount of sugar that cold water easily accepts is the correct amount to not taste like shit
Yeah, and if you saturate hot tea, won’'t the sugar simply materialize back as the tea gets colder? Seems to me that nothing about this has to do with saturation.
Yes. Not sure what the other person is on about. Hot water can have more sugar dissolved in it. When it cools it crystalizes but only if the saturation level is higher than what the water can hold. It’s how rock candy is made. This is like basic chemistry.
It’s not about achieving saturation, it’s about how quickly it dissolves. The sugar packets would absolutely dissolve, if you stir vigorously for half an hour… Rate of dissolving varies as temperature. 9th grade chemistry…
That wasn’t the original argument now was it? If you’re going to move goalposts then at least be halfway correct the first time.
And here I was happy to learn something new on social media contradicting my previous knowledge lol. But yeah, I definitely intend on having a basic chemistry refresher video now!
Hot water dissolves it much quicker, giving the illusion that it dissolved more. It’s not actually saturated when you’re trying to stir it into cold tea, it just dissolves extremely slowly. If you were to saturate it while hot (which would take an insane amount of sugar), then yes, it would recrystalise. But in pracrice, you need to dissolve it while hot because the more energetic molecular motion in the solution dissolves the sugar faster, since the heat is causing more effective collisions. Saturation point and the change thereof is, contrary to the proposal above, not a factor here, since everything is happening well below that point even with the sweetest teas commercially available.
No, I can assure you sugar does not re-crystalize after being mixed in hot tea. It is super interesting how differently people view this subject just based on where they grew up.
That is very interesting, and not something I remember from my very limited exposure to chemistry in school. Thanks for clearing that up!
That is only because it’s not saturated. If you added an ungodly amount of sucrose (and I like it ridiculously sweet but this would be undrinkable), it would recrystalise when chilled. That’s why there’s a controversy here. A saturated solution would recrystallise, but people are pointing out that tea obviously doesn’t do that. That’s simply because no one drinks it saturated. It’s hard to stir in while cold because the rate of dissolution varies as temperature. That’s why there’s some confusing as to thinking it’s about the saturation point. It’s actually below it in both cases (hot and cold). To learn more about that mechanism, read about how reaction rate is affected by temperature.
You’re right with normal tea, but normal tea is never saturated. If you added another pound or so of sugar while hot, then let it cool, it would absolutely recrystalise (barring supersaturation). But you’re right, that’s not a factor in normal tea. It’s about the rate of dissolution (which also depends on temperature), not saturation point.
Water can dissolve a ridiculous amount of sugar even at room temp. For an average 12 oz glass of tea, the most sugar that could dissolve is a whopping 700 grams. One packet of sugar is about 5 grams. At the saturation point it would be basically syrup thickness, too.
Damn, I knew sugar was bad for you, but boy it looks like it can make you really irritable. Stop drinking so much sugar y’all. It’s nasty.
honestly I’m straight up addicted to Nestea Zero. My teeth aren’t rotting out and I’m not worried about diabetes but I need to get off this stuff
