• @[email protected]
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    381 year ago

    the problem is that a lot of modern shows/movies spend 2 hours explaining a characters backstory before you give a shit. there’s also a lot of “tell, don’t show” going on

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      Eh, I think it’s more related to survivorship bias of the movies we remember. Most movies from decades ago were utter trash then too, we mostly remember the good ones while most of the rubbish fades away and is forgotten.

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        While it’s definitely a partial survivors bias, I can’t really name any recent movies that stand out as timeless classics. Avengers Onfinity War/Endgame was a massive point in time, but hardly something to watch endlessly even now. Star Wars is still clinging to movies made nearly 50 years ago. Spider man had a moment being the first post covid movie, but the film isn’t memorable. Kingsman has been a great revival of the spy movie genre, but it’s not masterpiece level. You could make a case for The Dark Knight, but it’s easily just as memorable due to Ledger’s death than the film’s quality.

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          Star Wars is still clinging to movies made nearly 50 years ago.

          RotS was released in 2005.

          Spider man had a moment being the first post covid movie […]

          Spiderverse was released in 2018 and became an instant classic, influencing animated movies throughout the whole world.

          Kingsman has been a great revival of the spy movie genre, but it’s not masterpiece level.

          Because the spy movie genre is largely a poor and uninteresting concept. The fact Bond was so successful still makes me confused.

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            RotS is the best Prequel movie, but calling it classic is a bit of a stretch. Spidervese is probably the best thing recently.

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            I agree, helps when VVitch and Lighthouse are same director though

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            The Vvitch

            Wait was it actually really good? I saw its advertising everywhere, but I don’t think I ever heard anyone actually see it and want to talk about it.

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            Puss in Boots: The Last Wish

            I only watched it due to internet hype making me curious enough to check it out. If anyone reading this still hasn’t seen it: Just do it. Trust an internet stranger and just jump blindly into it. Do it. You will not regret it.

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          Don’t know if we’re counting animated movies but I feel like the Spiderverse movies will be a timeless classic.

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            They already are, and heavily influenced animation studios everywhere. Even in Japan, the land of god-tier animation, some studios learned a lot from Spiderverse.

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            Id say it has a chance, I’m not sure it stands up to peak Pixar levels, but it does a great job telling a story while honoring comics in general.

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      This is an answer I’m not seeing here enough. The score for LotR just FORCES you to feel the feelings. Don’t wanna be happy? Too bad, we’re in the Shire bitch.

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        Don’t want to experience evil metalworking industry? Welcome to Orthanc, maggot, we makin’ swords today.

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    I’d say most of the time it’s an age thing the younger we are the easier impressed/amazed we are. growing older makes us sometimes cynical sometimes overloaded with imagery. The more you’ve seen the harder it gets to be impressed by stuff, cause you have seen so much. And we keep fond memories of the things we liked as kids and teenagers.

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      That’s also why it feels like the older you are the faster time passes. Life gets monotonous for you so all the days just blend in together and time feels like it’s flying. You’ve seen a lot you’ve done a lot and stuff just sorta stops being as impressive as it was when you were a child.

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        Oh yeah, when you’re younger there’s so many firsts: first day of school, first crush, first kiss, first bf/gf, first dance, etc etc etc… the older you get, the fewer and further these benchmarks get. Still stuff like marriage, kids, career moves, house (lol maybe), but most of the time you grind work and fall deep into a routine.

        Gotta keep shaking it up with travel and trying new things so it’s not a hot boring blur. I’m hitting mid 30’s but I swear I was mid 20’s like a minute ago.

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          Yea I’m 30 and I’m feeling it. I thought my 20s were lasting a long time but here we are, they ended and I’m almost 31 now.

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      Why don’t they make more masterpieces for which so stars happened to align by skill, chance and good fortune?

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    One thing LotR does very well: lets men show emotions that aren’t anger. Frodo smiles, shouts Gandalf’s name excitedly, cracks a joke with him, and gives him a hug. That’s how you know they’re old friends.

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      Go back, Sam! I’m going to Mordor alone.
      Of course you are. And I’m coming with you!

      It always makes me tear up. Fantastic films.

      Conversely, the worst film I’ve seen in recent years must be the third(?) fantastic beasts film. I still have no clue what actually happened or what it was trying to tell. It was such a jumbled mess, and them changing out the actor of the main villain for the third time didn’t help much.

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      Yeah, if made in last 10 years, they might have turned Aragorn into some kind of Conan the Barbarian ripoff. Not necessarily, for example, RDJ’s Iron Man has a lot of complex emotions and nice arc. But, they could. I mean, look at Galadriel in Rings of Power.

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    They’d rather have the protagonist run around screaming like a moron for 20 minutes for comedic effect instead instead of putting any effort into developing characters

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    One thing I’ve noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies.

    For example, compare the live action Disney Cinderella to the original animated version. The live action version is mostly a voiceover telling the story of Cinderella. They literally say “Her stepsisters weren’t very good at art or music” and then have a scene showing them being bad at art and music. The animated version spent the first 20 minutes or so like a Tom & Jerry cartoon.

    And this is across movies. I watched Predator recently and there wasn’t a lot of exposition about how they’re there to fight communists or whatever. You pick that up in snippets of dialog in between the action.

    It really does feel like movies are dumbing down.

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      Not to lump everything into one pile, but there’s definitely some problems with movie planning nowadays.

      That’s what is pointed out in all those “this movie production literally sacrificed ten VFX studios on a mayan altar” documentaries - some of new directors don’t plan shots ahead, require seeing the result and then re-doing it ad nauseam, and as a result waste WAY more vfx team effort and don’t get good scenes.

      Setting up visual storytelling and using good cinematography is hard - which is why to a lot of people the 3D movies like Spiderverse/Last Wish/Nimona stand out so much, you kinda have to plan ahead for a 3D movie, and even if you don’t modifying a scene is easier (if you do it early enough in production).

      I’d imagine that it’s similar for writing - large monologues like that are probably the outcome of the writing team needing to put all they mean to onto the paper. Maybe also result of focus-testing being passed down directly to writing staff?

      I don’t know, I’m just a random guy on the internet but those are my two cents.

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      131 year ago

      they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies

      Geez the Netflix Avatar adaptation (a show, not movie, but still) was so bad for this. Despite actually having more runtime and fewer distinct plot points (due to the removal of and consolidation of different side-plots) than the cartoon it was based on, it spent less time showing us why characters think and feel how they do, and straight-up told us every single thing.

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        I love listening to the original intro 3 times in the first episode.

        I would have never known that the 4 nations lived in harmony until the fire nation attacked, or that the Avatar, master of all 4 elements was the only one who could stop them.

        I also love learning that Aang wants to eat banana cakes and goof off with his friends instead of being the Avatar by him outright saying it instead of us meeting ANY of these friends in the first place.

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      The expressions between the 2 actors in this scene are so great and genuine too…that helps a lot.

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      Part of this is the phone addicted culture. A lot of people listen at best to movies and TV, so they make everything accessible to that audience.

      Another related problem is the over reliance on focus groups. The thoughts and opinions of people in LA/NYC/Chicago that are free at 10am on a random Tuesday aren’t representative samples of the current American. It’s even worse as movies move to target the global audience.

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      One thing I’ve noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies.

      The writing sucks which is why movies seem like stream of consciousness time wasters with no stakes, fake emotions and CGI explosions. When the writers went on a strike in Hollywood I actually laughed. ChatGPT can write better scripts than what Hollywood has been churning out lately.

      It really does feel like movies are dumbing down.

      I think this is a combination of armchair directors in the boardroom trying to actualize their market research and writers actually being less smart and creative. It would explain why everything is a prequel, sequel, soft reboot, universe expansion or some other vehicle for recycled IP.

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        I think the big reason everything is a reboot these days is that it makes marketing it a lot easier. If you told me there’s a new sci fi show coming out I might watch it. But if you told me they rebooted SG1 I’d definitely watch it.

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          Yeah that’s my point. Hollywood has ceased to be a creative industry. It’s a rehash, reboot industry with box ticking producers focused on merchandising rights toy sales etc. There’s very few interesting ideas tbese days.

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      I feel like they make movies to appease the hot take internet culture. If a few people don’t understand how a guy with magic powers in a room full of cloning tanks could be brought back from the dead, you end up with endless “Somehow Palpatine returned” memes and it becomes a whole thing. So they’ve compensated (maybe over-compensated) and make sure every detail is explained fully to avoid that kind of reaction. They also have to make sure they make jokes about something being corny before people on the internet make the lame jokes.

      Rise of Skywalker was probably the last popcorn movie where there was a lot of “show don’t tell” going on and pretty much all of the commentary about it on the internet indicates people think it’s wrong to do that. To be sure there were other problems with that movie, but people got very fixated on criticizing the decision made to not over-explain.

      Somehow… movies have to explain every little detail now.

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      I feel like Dune was a good outlier to this. It’s the only movie I’ve seen in theater in the last few years and I really enjoyed not having everything explained to me

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      One thing I’ve noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies.

      Main character seeing old friend: Well if it isn’t my old friend Daniel, we used to roam these streets as kids, I used to have dinner at your house every day, you were like my brother, I would have done anything for you, I haven’t seen you since our other old friend Jake died mysteriously, remember when we used to play videogames all night and made that life long pact that if “HE” returns we will do what it takes to send him back to the world where he emerged from when we were kids and lived right next door to each other, our mothers were best friends until the incident but they never stopped us from being life long best friends forever, we used to play in the streets all night, me you Daniel and Chris, the rat Pac they called us, best friends for life.

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        Man there’s so many loose ends.

        What was the incident?

        What did the rat pac play in the street? Music? Baseball?

        What video games were you guys playing? Nintendo, Sega, Atari, Sony, SNK, NEC, 3DO?? Whose house?

        Were there any leads in Jakes death?

        How long has it been since you last saw Daniel?

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          What was the incident?

          The incident is what shaped them into the adults they are now, it’s why they ended up in their chosen professions and is what brings them together at the 20 year high school reunion coming up, but they must never speak of it.

          What did the rat pac play in the street? Music? Baseball?

          They hustled marbles for cash in the street to anyone willing to lose to them, they ran that rural suburban street untill the incident changed everything.

          What video games were you guys playing? Nintendo, Sega, Atari, Sony, SNK, NEC, 3DO?? Whose house?

          NBA Jam on the Sega Mega drive, because they were the cool kids and that’s how you showed it in the early 90s

          Were there any leads in Jakes death?

          The policed ruled it ‘natural causes’ but the rat Pac know it was Him that killed Jake after they unintentionally released Him.

          Were there any leads in Jakes death?

          About 3 hours before that line of text.

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      This is my issue with a lot of indie horror games and visual novels. (Whatever manlybadasshero plays). There’s just unnecessary details (you open the door). That makes me go this is just shit.

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    I think the biggest reason is that the actors were allowed to act together. Modern movies use so many digital effects that actors aren’t even on set together sometimes. It’s hard to have the same emotions looking at a green screen and a guy in a morph suit.

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      Just for the first one, right? I remember Ian Mckellen had a breakdown on set because he was sitting in front of the table at Bag End with nothing around him but green screen and was struggling without any other actors.