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That’s the amendment that was rejected.
I feel like this is just an extension of the “my child, my property” mindset that republicans have. Sure, like others have argued, there might be cases of 25 year-olds genuinely falling in love with first cousins and the whole goverment-shouldn’t-regulate-love thing; but the vast majority of these cases are going to be home-schooled together groomed kids who parents fear having romantic relations outside the family might introduce them to non-conservative or non-religious viewpoints which might break their narcissistic control over their kids lives.
Republicans sure do seem to think you have the right to marry who ever you love when it comes to incest and pedophilia but not LGBTQ.
Everybody hold up, new kink jus dropped
Gotta have that Habsburg jawline 😍
In Germany it is still legal to fuck your cousin. Fucking your sister is technically illegal, but carries no punishment when both are under the age of 18.
Source: §173 StGB
Honestly, it’s not that big a deal unless it happens for multiple generations. There is enough genetic difference between first cousins for it to not count as inbreeding.
I would recommend against it if there is a significant risk of genetic diseases being passed down, but that’s true even for any two random people.
Honestly, if it’s consensual I don’t care just let women have control of their own bodies and keep their damn religion out of government. They can have cousin-fucking just leave minorities and LGBTQ+ alone.
Tennessee has done a lot to outdo Florida as a shitshow lately.
I can’t tell what you mean by that.
Are you talking about them trying to outlaw it or about them trying to stop it being outlawed?
Everything I read about them is awful and backwards.
“Is there a public health issue with a male marrying a male first cousin? Obviously, I think the answer is no,” Bulso said, adding the enhanced risk for birth defects would also not be present for women who marry their first cousin. “A female and a female cannot conceive a child.”
Guy has a valid point about the justification given for the bill, not to mention that not every couple that gets married will be having biological children between them. Not just limited to gay couples, infertile people and people who choose not to have kids get married too.
I’m good with socially discouraging cousins who grew up together getting married, but legal restrictions based on flawed logic is not a good idea.
If your family doesn’t have a history of consanguination then first cousins marrying every few generations is no big deal, genetically. You share about 5% of your genes with any random first cousin, compared to 2.5% with any random stranger. You should still seek generic counseling, you never know what secrets you might find
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What about extended family members that you’ve never met in your entire life? Obviously procreation is still insanely gross here and we should outlaw it, but like you said not all relations between a heterosexual couple lead to children.
if both are consenting adults it shouldn’t be illegal. maybe there’s benefit to genetic counseling if there’s intent or possibility to have children, but it shouldn’t be illegal with or without that.
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Not even remotely implied or relevant
Genetically, first cousins are fine. It does slightly increase some risks, I think doubles at most for some very low likelihood cases. I don’t know that it’s any more irresponsible than reproducing with someone that has a family history of genetically passed diseases.
Humans were tribal until very recently, and reproducing with non-immediate relatives was normal. If it were that detrimental, we would not have survived as a species.
And no, my wife is not remotely related to me.
There are 8 billion people on this planet now. Surely you can find someone other than your cousin.
It really shouldn’t need to be illegal, but I guess residents of the volunteer state require a little more incentive to find dates before the holidays, rather than during them.
wasn’t talking about myself, which shouldn’t need to be pointed out, but here we are.
There are 8 billion people on this planet now. Surely you can find someone who isn’t black
Same line of reasoning, just 50 years ago.
We shouldn’t ban consenting adult relationships solely because they are icky.
are you seriously comparing marrying a black person with marrying your first cousin
Yes. Explain the difference, if you can.
No, I want you to explain your reasoning, you’re the one who made it. please explain how marrying a black person is just like marrying your first cousin.
There’s nothing objectively wrong with either one. Both have been banned because they gross people out for purely social (bigoted) reasons.
Incorrect. One results in higher than normal birth defects that exacerbate over time, and one is perfectly healthy. We, as a society, should try to limit birth defects, no? Are you also in favor of bringing back thalidomide?
It’s shouldn’t be the role of government to regulate who you want to marry.
But also don’t do that
There are 8 billion people on this planet now. Surely you can find someone
Not really.
Speaking from a virgin, and not a cousinfucker, perspective.
‘There’s someone for everyone’ is such a fucking bullshit platitude.
It’s absolutely true though
Sure buddy. Ever heard of ‘Just World Fallacy’?
I don’t see how that fallacy is relevant here though
…You serious?
…?
do you have anything actually to say?
The just world fallacy is about people getting what they deserve.
That doesn’t seem to really apply to the statistical argument that there are enough people out there, the chance for any given individual to not have any shot is effectively (if perhaps not precisely) zero. Small enough to not be worth considering.
Relationships are subject to much more than just statistics.
Sure. But I don’t think anyone else is suggesting everyone deserves a relationship.
Most on Lemmy and other lefty spaces are of the “two consenting adults can do what they want” mind but take an inconsistent turn on this, seemingly because it’s “icky” to them.
How is that any different than conservatives being anti-gay because it’s “icky” to them?
It’s not because it’s “icky”, it’s because if you both have the same grandma then you only have one snickerdoodle recipe for Christmas cookies, genetically speaking.
As stated several times in this thread, the risk of genetic issues is akin to that of a 40+ year old woman having kids.
It would seem consistent to also ban that if that is your actual issue, right? So, is that what you’re suggesting?
I never called for a ban. I said maybe go out and explore the forest before climbing up the family tree. And it’s my understanding that most women understand the risk of procreating after 40 and typically avoid it.
But I’m not your daddy. You don’t need my approval to fuck your uncle’s kids.
You said,
It really shouldn’t need to be illegal, but I guess residents of the volunteer state require a little more incentive to find dates before the holidays, rather than during them.
I took this to mean that those who don’t voluntarily choose to not marry/have sex with their cousins need to be forced not to by law (a ban). Did I misread that?
The bill as amended by Rep. Gino Bulso, R-Brentwood, would prohibit first-cousin marriage unless the parties to the marriage contract received counseling from a genetic counselor licensed by the board of medical examiners. Bulso argued during a House floor session on Thursday the bill – as written – could violate the Obergefell v. Hodges U.S. Supreme Court decision, which made same-sex marriage legal across the country.
Bulso, while explaining his reasoning, said the bill was introduced as a public health-related matter, adding the law needed to be passed to prevent cousins from getting married and conceiving a child that could have an increased risk for birth defects. Bulso argued two men who are first cousins could get married without the risk of conceiving a child with birth defects.
This is just another bigoted conservative with an agenda. He’s using this no-brainer anti-cousin-fucking law to push anti-LGBTQ rhetoric. Gino Bulso was a lawyer for just shy of 40 years before joining the Tennessee House of Reps in 2022. He knows this isn’t a reasonable argument and he doesn’t care. He’s just trying to attack Obergefell v. Hodges. He’s basically saying “See what *the gays* are making me vote against?! I don’t want to allow cousin-fucking but Obergefell v. Hodges says we have to! Trust me, I’m a lawyer!”
Edit: JFC nothing brings out the weirdos as quickly as an article about a ban on cousin-fucking.
He’s a Tennessee Republican so I’m sure he’s terrible. But you don’t think there is a legal argument of a law being overly broad that restricts the rights of same sex couples where the legislative history shows it was based on increased risk of genetic mutations in pregnancy?
Maybe (probably) he’s saying it to beat on LGBTQ people, but a broken clock and all that.
Maybe (probably) he’s saying it to beat on LGBTQ people, but a broken clock and all that.
I am not willing to give republicans the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their invocations of Obergefell v. Hodges to defend cousin-fucking. If you’d like to that’s your prerogative. But doing so is completely unearned on their part and suggests naivety on yours.
I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt. Blatant homophobe or no, it’s a valid legal argument that hasn’t been tested in court.
Edit: Unless you have some caselaw already addressing this that I’m not aware of, I’m pretty sure we’re having two completely different conversations.
Or - mind blowing possibility - maybe you’re bigoted against cousin marriage like the people you hate are bigoted against gay marriage.
The risk of genetic defects is extremely small. People don’t like it because it’s icky, which is not logically consistent. People used to think interracial marriage was icky.
Let people do what they want.
Found the guy with the hot cousin.
TWO hot cousins, thank you very much
But my point is still correct.
I hope for your sake that Tennessee doesn’t outlaw polygamy as well then.
Too late, they both got married to other people and are very happy😔
i am truley sorry for your lots
If your first response to a valid point is to attack the other person, then you’re worse than anything inbreeding might produce.
Is there a Mrs. The-Hills-Have-Eyes?
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Wanna introduce me to your cousin or is she spoken for?
Yeah, I don’t get it, personally. I’m really not a fan of governments telling people who they can fall in love with. You’d think there’s more important issues to deal with.
I mean, I know people who’s parents are cousins. It’s literally a non-issue I couldn’t give less of a fuck since they all seem happy. It’s none of my, or the government’s, business.
That said, it is weird, the lack of logic that goes on around this issue. It’s simply wrong because it’s wrong so it’s therefore good for the government to make laws prohibiting it.
Take me to another place
Take me to another land
Let me fuck my cousin firstly
Let me understand her clam
Tennessee, Tennessee
But I am still thirsty.
Arrested Development does not approve. Such a underrated hiphop group. They lived together communally for a bit!
Does that mean i have to fight my cousin before i can marry them?
Shelbyville Manhattan approves 👍
This is common in arab countries
Alabama got the monopoly now
something something alabama, something something, it’s now tennessee.
