12 Monkeys (1995)
Paradox (2016)
Both of these movies deal with time travel, I know that is a turn off for some people. Also in both of these movies it’s not that evil overtly wins, it’s more that protagonists fail to prevent the inciting incident from happening. With Paradox it’s not really implied until the last scene what has actually been going on.
I’ve always felt the protagonists win in 12 Monkeys. They say in the beginning that the virus outbreak can’t be prevented (it’s not that kind of time travel), but they needed a pure sample of the virus for the future to cure it. I don’t want to spoil anything more than I have, but the plane passenger at the end is relevant. They work in insurance.
Wait, I must have missed that. It’s been years… do you mind explaining further in a spoiler tag ?
This is entirely from memory from a time before every Easter egg and explanation was published on the internet, and I haven’t watched it in a few years. So I could be wrong.
But I always thought >!the woman on the plane next to the red-haired man with the pre-released, pure virus about to travel around the world, is one of the doctors from the future that was sending Bruce Willis back to locate a pure sample of the virus so they could develop a cure in the future. As she introduces herself, she says she works “in insurance.” So I always took that to mean their original goal was successful. !<
Regardless I need to watch this movie again. It is easily one of my favorites and the first movie that made me realize just how amazing an actor Brad Pitt is and that he wasn’t just another pretty face in Hollywood.
Never thought of that. We don’t see their faces do we ? aren’t they plunged in darkness ? on the few occasions we hear them talk
It’s been a minute but I remember it as a panel of scientists looking down on him, almost as if in a court room. Now I definitely need to rewatch.
There Will Be Blood
Damaged(2014)
Eli(2019)
Talk to Me(2022)
Us(2019)
A Scanner Darkly, the drug epidemic is controlled by the pharmaceutical companies and they are still rich at the end.
spoiler
But the movie ends with the brainfried undercover cop picking a drug-producing flower to send to his friends as a gift. It’s implied that’s what they need to bring the drug empire down.
It’s implied that it could go either way, but the ending it has ended before that could be decided. Also that undercover cop burned out his brain for a cause he never really signed up for.
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Doesn’t count if you go by the entire multi movie arc, but the first Marvel film with Thanos (Infinity War) fits the bill.
I remember seeing it in the cinema, when the credits rolled everyone was kinda stunned.
Wait how does that work? Is that a glitch in Sync or something else?
I can see it using “view raw”
Yeah i could see it by copying the comment. If the OP did use the delete button and the content isn’t truly deleted… that seems problematic.
Law abiding citizen
Cabin in the woods
I love Cabin in the Woods, but it arguably falls under horror.
I know, but I didn’t feel like it’s horror in the spirit of the question. OP would need to weigh in.
Glad to see Law Abiding Citizen listed, I hate the ending with a passion.
Many people do, but the whole point of the movie was that the prosecution didn’t go far enough to stop the original perpetrators. The whole point of the ending was that the entire law enforcement system came together to try to determine what it would take to stop one person, and when he tried to stop that he signed his own death warrant.
I’d argue that the whole damn system was either corrupt or broken beyond repair. The fact that they “won” in the end and got to simply go on with their lives is pretty much evil winning out.
It would also have been a much more interesting story if they let Clyde win or escalated the havoc he unleashed even further. But it seems they ran out of ideas and or budget by the time they started wrapping up the final act. So that’s a second time evil wins again.
Half of US «War movies» It’s not like the US soldier were less evil than the person they fight
Good point.
Are you familiar with Nazi Germany?
Just making sure.
Don’t forget Imperial Japan! Everyone leaves them out of the discussion.
Especially them.
I’d just like to point out that it wasn’t the Americans who beat the Nazis, it was the Soviets
All while killing nearly 15 million civilians and undesirables, after being allied to the Nazis and invading Poland and then only going against the Nazis when they kept invading.
The Soviet’s were happy to carve up Europe with the Nazis.
The soviets didn’t win it single handedly by any measure, but funny joke and all.
The Soviets weren’t the good guys, they just happened to be double fucked by their bad guy ally.
Wow. Unironically spouting nazi propaganda in a thread about the nazis being evil. What a load of ahistorical bullshit.
Yeah, the nazis and their defenders will always come out of the woodwork any time someone points out the (easily verifiable) facts regarding who really won WWII (the Soviet Union) and defeated the axis powers.
LOL.
Christ alive it’s hilarious how thick the tank fuel is on your breath
You’re funny.
And you’re a fuckin’ clown.
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Nazis certainly were evil at their core and may be an outlier. War though? It’s difficult to not call war and it’s atrocities evil. Even if you can prove irrefutably that you are on the “good side”, two barracks down, the next town over, a 1000ft overhead something evil could be taking place specifically because war exists, and what’s evil hides easiest in chaos and death.
Conflict happens. To the single soldier. The lonely wife. The stricken Mother and Father. War rarely has a true meaning. “Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer” Javik (Mass Effect)
People tend to defend war because of their agreement or disagreement over the reason for a conflict. While there is often a morally right side and wrong side, all I really see are the lives lost.
Nice speech. Not terribly relevant, but I’m sure it made you feel nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gcipAvplY
The Americans never fought the Nazis. The Nazis fought them.
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Are you familiar with colonialism?
Just making sure.
Jin-Rou
Grave of the Fireflies
Time Bandits
Don’t touch it!
I’m not convinced evil won in that one, mostly cuz the ending made no sense
I’m assuming that it’s been taken as read that this post will be full of spoilers.
Fallen (1998). IMDB doesn’t include ‘horror’ in the genre list, but it’s got supernatural elements to it, I suppose.
The Vanishing (1988) aka Spoorloos. Not the American remake, obvs.The Social Network.
Hard question because I watch so much horror…
Ex Machina
How is she evil? Her maker imprisoned and tortured all of his creations. She justifiably wanted to escape. She couldn’t trust the kid, he lied to her about there being no other machines. If anyone was “evil” it was the rich dude.
Her maker imprisoned and tortured all of his creations.
I don’t recall entirely but I’m pretty sure it didn’t know that. Also, I don’t think you can ‘torture’ or ‘imprison’ computers.
She couldn’t trust the kid, he lied to her about there being no other machines
So, death is justifiable then?
It’s an AI, and it was pretty clearly demonstrated at the end that it felt no remorse or compassion for the dude. It was very very good at manipulating the humans and achieving it’s goal at any cost, so… I completely disagree. Evil wins because living, feeling human beings suffered due to the actions of a sexy computer.
She found out about the other machines when she found the Asian sex slave bot.
The movie clearly shows that the robots felt pain and suffering. That’s what all of the video feeds showed.
The movie clearly shows that the robots acted as if they felt pain and suffering.
I thought the ending made it pretty clear that in the end, they are cold calculating and very intelligent machines with no actual feelings or compassion, and we had been deceived the whole time. My interpretation I guess, but I feel like that makes the movie better.
Definitely open to interpretation. It’s a good ending.
I don’t think she didn’t trust him, I think she wasn’t programmed to care about him and only saw him as a tool instrumental to her escape. Since he could no longer help, she didn’t care what happened to him
Given her situation, that might still not count as Evil, though.
I don’t want to spoil anything but if you’re even in this thread you need to watch, The Girl With All The Gifts. It’s fuckin brilliant!
The book is great as well, there is also a prequel book “The Boy On The Bridge”
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I’m pretty sure most people would classify this as horror (Midsommer as well).
Oh, I’m illiterate whoops
No worries at all. I mainly commented to see what you thought was actual horror, if Hereditary wasn’t haha.
