These comments are wild. At the end of the day, if we really dislike the actions of our instance, we can just change to a different one, or self host. Does it suck? Yes.

I don’t think I can reasonably expect someone else to tailor their own instance that they created and paid for to my specific interests. A previous instance wasn’t to my liking, so I just made a new account somewhere else. Isn’t that supposed to be the whole point?

“If everyone defederates with everyone there will be no content”. Well, it’s a good thing that it’s not everyone defederating with everyone.

I think that maybe the people who are really upset about defederating should try to host their own instances and act as admins for those instances. I totally understand wanting to do your own thing with the amount of time and effort that stuff requires.

Personally? I’m still pleasantly suprised/happy that so many people have created instances that they opened to the world. I also feel lucky that people are putting in a lot of effort to make places that anyone -even complete strangers- could join. I’m happy that there are a wide variety of instances.

Judging by their responses in this thread it sounds like you made the right move, go back to /b/ crybabies

On the one hand defederating from an instance based on their ideology is probably not the best precedent to set,

On the other, they’re tankies who’ve ate up the state capitalist and red fascist propaganda hook, line, and sinker and are trying to associate themselves with leftism, making the rest of us look bad. (If I were more conspiracy minded I’d say that this is an intentional attempt to discredit leftist politics.) So really I think it balances out. Personally I’d rather users be able to block whole instances, instead of having admins make that decision, but seeing as that’s not available this is the next best thing.

So they are a bunch of brigading hardcore ideologists that want to convert others. Now I know why they were banned from my instance from the very beginning. Good for you guys that you acted before it got a wider problem in the first place.

I respect the autonomy of you admins to federate with who you choose, but as a user, I would prefer not to defederate, and let the votes moderate their ‘contributions’. And, of course, defederate if there are too many rule breakers and/or bots. But I also realize the potential hassle this could pose for you admins, so I sympathize with your decision even if I’m not in complete agreement.

What the fuck?

I was assured by this server that it has no problem with socialists. This is worse than I expected it to be, I expected a half-hearted attempt to justify this action through means other than “they’re socialists and hold socialist views”.

To the three points here:

1. “Western propaganda” - Is capitalist propaganda. Of course socialists oppose it, we oppose capitalism.

2. “Nato” - An anti-nato position is held by literally every single socialist organisation in Europe. You will not find a socialist org with a pro-nato position. Ffs just look at DiEM25’s position on this, it’s probably the most well known cross-nation alliance of socialist groups and parties in europe including people like Yanis Varoufakis, Jeremy Corbyn and Zizek to name a few but that really doesn’t do the size of the DiEM organising alliance justice. Even Noam Chomsky is anti-nato ffs. What the fuck are you doing acting like this is a fringe position not held by a huge number of people over here in Europe and at the forefront of leftist politics on the continent? Taking the position “you’re not allowed to be anti-nato” is blatant american imperialism.

3. “It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished.” - Duh? What the fuck do the liberals running this instance think socialists believe exactly? When Marx calls for revolution do you think that we mean to continue the organisations that existed prior? No, we seek to abolish them and create new socialist organisations that serve the new socialist state we seek to create.

Absolutely mindblowing that this instance ever pretended it was going to play nicely with socialists. I’m disgusted.

Every single take above is also the take you will get from every single socialist community over on reddit. The anarchist communities will also even have an anti-nato position. Like jesus christ. I expected this post to be bad but I didn’t expect it to be “Yeah fuck socialists, oh and fuck what anarchists believe too”.

I’m flabbergasted that @[email protected] just completely lied about not intending to block based on ideology, and it’s extremely telling that Hexbear gets a pre-emptive defederation for this shit while literal actual nazis were a chore to get defederated.

We really should have a method of banning remote individual users from your own instance. I’m as anti tankie as they come, but defederating isn’t the answer. It’s just continually shrinking and sharding the fediverse in a way that will hinder our growth.

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Ignoring the fact that most complaining here are likely members of that instance, I don’t understand users’ insistence that they shouldn’t be defederated. Are most ignoring the numerous examples of Reddit subs users inferred “likely won’t be a big deal” becoming obviously problematic down the line, with the inevitable ban/quarantine occuring with most upset it wasn’t dealt with from the start?

Good shit admins. Tankies gonna tankie, but I’m glad they aren’t going to tankie here.

Stopping by this thread to offer a window into the Hexbear response to this statement. This thread is all serious and miserable, but we’re having a great time over there laughing about all of this and dunking on the worst of the comments.

Edit: Oh and also here and here.

PS: I am absolutely loving the downvoting, it’s hilariously cute; I legit can’t stop giggling right now

I think it’s important to make note of the fact that they were banned on Reddit for good reason. As a community, they have always been toxic and would consistently brigade and harass other communities on Reddit that even remotely disagreed with them on anything. There was a consistent issue in Jewish focused Reddit subs with users of theirs starting fights about Zionism on random Jewish posts and generally harassing to random people that would be remotely critical of communism. They would behave in a similar way to how exploding-heads did prior to being mass defederated, specifically going into threads and brigading/downvoting and attempting to sway discussions in their favor in bad faith.

I’d love to see Lemmygrad cut off, it’s full of propaganda and malicious users.

I definitely appreciate the hesitation in defederation, but I’m in favor of defeding with both hexbear and lemmygrad.

I’ve seen more than enough “Stalin did nothing wrong posts” to know that discussions are pointless and would lead me only to frustration and a desire to drink.

to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.”

That’s one hell of a stretch. NATO and the IMF must be pretty fragile if you can demolish them by posting on lemmy.world from hexbear.