ACAB includes civilian speed traps
I can’t begin to describe how much I disagree with this. The speed limit is the limit to how fast you are legally allowed to drive. No lane legally enables you to go faster. The attitudes normalizing speeding are stupid. You’re not entitled to go dangerous speeds.
I am certainly aware that diving at dangerous speeds is stupid, which is why I am keeping my speed to a safe 10 over the limit.
Y’all are really arguing that driving 10 over the speed limit, which is illegal in every single United State is less illegal than staying in the left lane and it’s such a strange modern attitude.
No ur strange
It’s also escalating. I swear the last meme about this was like “if you’re not going over the speed limit in the left lane fuck off. That’s the crime lane” next year it’ll be “if you’re not going 50 over all the time fuck you.” And the comments will roar in approval.
It’s very simple, the left lane is for passing and the right lane is for not passing. It’s clearly defined as such.
40mph semi passing a heavier/slower 35mph semi, while annoying at times, is a completely correct use of the lane. As is someone going the speed limit passing someone else going 5 under. A 250mph Lambo passing a 220mph Porsche is also using the lane correctly.
Speeding is completely separate. If someone is speeding then they might get a speeding ticket, but it will not matter at all which lane they happen to be in. If they get a ticket related to the lane they are in, it would be in relation to incorrectly using the lane (such as passing on the right. The left lane is not for blocking speeders, its for passing. Call the cops if you would like them ticketed for driving dangerously, but blocking them just makes an already dangerous situation more dangerous.
My point is everyone is supposed to be in the right lane at all times unless actively passing, including the Lambo. Everyone.
If I’m on a totally empty highway I would drive for the entire journey without going in the left lane as there would be literally no reason to. Doesn’t matter at all if I’m driving a slow semi or fast Lambo.
Unless you’re in California. Then the left lane is also an exit and the right side exit lane is the passing lane. But only if you’re driving more than 30mph over the limit.
I’m not usually a fan of traffic enforcement but god does this state need it.
Meh, it was fine on both motorcycle and by car, at least around LA. Come up to Seattle, everyone fills every lane and drives at exactly the speed limit. It’ll drive you fucking nuts.
I mean, if everyone’s driving the limit, there’s no need to pass, right?
What about when everyone’s 5 under?
While I’ll get to my destination in one piece, I do appreciate a little bit of excess speed, particularly on the slow gradients of the 5.
The speed limit in LA for roads of similar design is 75mph, and outside of rush hour, those speeds seem comfortable.
It’s the left lane actually, it really is the law here.
Counterpoint. This isn’t the law everywhere, and also lots of the laws codifying a left lane as a passing / fast lane happened after I started driving, so from my perspective they’re part of a new perspective on it, so my values on this are grounded from a different viewpoint.
Did you miss the part where they specifically stated they wanted to break the law?
This is exactly why I think it should be called " the passing lane" because, reasonably, people can argue that if they are going the speed limit they have full right to “the fast lane.”
The passing lane gives everyone reasonable access to it. You drive 10 under, but stuck behind someone who is 15 under? Yup you have access to it because you shouldnt have to go slow.
You want to go 5 over? Well, someone else might want to go 10 over. So you stay out of the lane so they can pass.
But in the end it’s not up to you to decide whether they are going too fast or now. It’s the passing lane and if you aren’t currently passing, get out of it.
It is called the passing lane though, isn’t it? I always figured ‘fast lane’ was just slang. Is there anyone ‘fast lane’ codified into law?
I don’t think it’s codified into law everywhere that you have to be passing in it. But even using fast lane as slang is bad because it gives the wrong impression.
Just remember fool, ONLY ONE LAW AT A TIME.
If you’re in the left lane, and there’s someone behind you but no one in front of you, move over and let them pass. Simple.
So you move over and crash into the car to the right of you that you wanted to pass.
I always do unless you have those crazy fucking headlights…then not a chance
You won’t see their headlights anymore if you let them pass
We don’t negotiate with terrorists!
Yes I will
Or better yet, if there’s room to your right and the lane to your right isn’t the right-most lane, move right. It doesn’t matter if someone is behind you or if you’re one lane from the left, move right if you’re not passing someone.
Far too many people camp in the left most lane when there’s plenty of room to the right. This forces traffic that you’re probably not actually noticing to pass on the right, which is unsafe and, in some areas, illegal.
It doesn’t force them to drive unsafely. That’s a decision they make on their own.
Unsafe driving is anything that’s surprising. Having a car go faster than your to your right is surprising, thus unsafe. The #1 rule in any kind of dangerous activity where a lot of independent actors are involved is to be predictable.
Here’s a clear scenario:
- Driver A is cruising in the left lane
- Driver B comes up behind driver A
- Driver A notices B, checks to the right (looks over shoulder), and decides to merge right
- Driver B gets impatient and starts to overtake A on the right
- Driver A, assuming moving to the right is safe (mirrors look good), moves right and collides with B, who is in their blind spot
It’s reasonable to assume someone isn’t going to jump into your blind spot on the right. That’s less reasonable to your left, so you should be extra careful when merging left.
Merging right should always be safer because you may need to move over if an emergency vehicle approaches from behind.
So Driver B made a conscious decision to make an illegal and dangerous pass. That’s not Driver A’s fault. You guys want to drive like it’s NASCAR and blame everyone around you but it’s just not true. If you’re coming up behind someone you have more situational awareness not less. It’s on you to make a safe move, like applying your brakes. That’s a safe predictable response to a slower car in front of you. Nobody is forcing you to drive in an unsafe manner.
That’s… exactly what I’m saying.
My point is it’s unsafe to pass on the right. If you can’t pass on the left and there’s available room to the right, the driver in front should be ticketed, because doing that encourages unsafe passing from those behind them. If the driver behind gets impatient, they should be ticketed for reckless driving by passing on the right.
So don’t pass on the right. If there’s a driver in front of you that’s holding up traffic with room on the right to move over, call traffic enforcement if it’s illegal in your area (and if it’s not, campaign for it to become illegal).
Yeah if there’s no one in front of you and someone can undertake you, you fucked up. I’m glad to see this thread full of so many sensible takes on how to drive safely and maintain efficient flows of traffic. Normally these threads online get flooded with brain dead takes like “I’m going fast enough, why should I move?”.
Personally I always keep an eye out for this type of driver and make sure to get out the way. The longer they are around me the more likely I am to be collateral in their firey death.
Oh certainly. Always drive defensively. But that’s different than blaming someone else for their offensive driving.
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Then what makes it a “dangerous situation?” Oh yeah, the reckless dickhead in the back.
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You’re the dickhead in the back in this situation. So why is it dangerous? You didn’t answer my question. Dickhead.
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It’s not your job to prevent others from speeding, it’s your job to stay to the right except to pass. It’s on the police to enforce speed limits.
It’s my job to drive and not worry about some dickhead behind me. If you can’t be patient, then don’t drive.
No, it’s your job to follow the rules and etiquette of the road. In some states, it’s illegal to camp in the left lane, though it’s unfortunately rarely enforced. I’ve heard it actually enforced in Germany though, so perhaps outside the US it’s more of a thing.
My state has “keep right except to pass” posted on most roads, and I’ve seen it in many other states as well. So do that.
You tailgate, speed, and cut people off and that’s fine, ok.
When did I say that? I’m quite considerate if I do say so myself. And I practice what I preach, I’m rarely in the leftmost lane, I’m as far right as I can while traveling the speed I want (usually within 5mph of the speed limit), and I help a healthy amount of space in front and behind me.
I suggest you do the same, if you’re not already. That’s proper etiquette, and in many areas it’s the law.
In some countries it’s illegal to drive on the left lane, when there is place on the right one
As it should be. I wish it was in my state, because so often we have a line of people in the left lane, nobody in the next two lanes, then trucks and grannies in the right two lanes.
I drive all over the country. In states where it is illegal to slow camp the left lane it is NEVER enforced by police. Same problem everywhere no matter the law.
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I really wish they’d enforce that instead of speeding, surely that’s a bigger cause if road rage than pretty much anything else…
This is probably the thing people understand the least about the left lane, and I bet this guy is one of em.
It doesn’t matter what speed you are passing, as long as you are passing (and of course if you are barely passing youre a dick).
But not because im passing 10km/h faster and you want to pass 30km/h faster, that I need to move out of the way. Flashing your lights and putting your blinker only makes me want to pass slower. The left lane is not reserved for the fastest driver on the road.
If someone starts aggressively flashing their lights behind me I like to assume they are trying to alert me that I’m driving too fast and should slow down immediately lol
I usually just get out of the way no matter how fast I’m going. No need to create road rage based on my ego and the asshole flashing me
I take it to mean that they want me to match the speed of the car beside me.
I assume they’re having an emergency. Or they’re a raging asshole. In either case it’s not a great idea to play games with them. If you ever fuck around and find out I hope you’ll come tell us about it so I can gloat.
So you feel that it would be better for me to either increase to an unsafe speed or force my way back into the slower traffic that I was trying to pass in the first place?
You’re driving at the bleeding edge of what you consider safe, couldn’t possibly pick it up a bit to get by and move over? You’re doing that and have the audacity to judge other drivers? Get the fuck off the road entirely, sell your car, stay indoors.
Well there is this thing called a speed limit, that is a very clear hard limit. If you go over, it is at the very least financially unsafe.
There’s also a law that says to yield to overtaking traffic. Where’s the law that says creating a rolling road block is OK? How did I miss the legislation that deputized every self righteous prick as some kind of speed limit enforcer?
Ah, so your answer is “why don’t you just do what I tell you?” and beyond that you immediately resort to hurling insults? This is all starting to make a lot of sense now…
You’re claiming to be driving so fast that any increase in speed would make an unsafe situation. Your reading comprehension is so poor that you take offense at non-existent insults. Yeah, you shouldn’t be driving at all.
I was just about to type out another argument, but I realized it’s pointless. You clearly will not be happy with any answer other than “everyone should just let you drive however you want to” with a healthy dose of “the rules only apply to everyone else”…
You have fun with that buddy
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Funny thing about irrational people? Even if you act as safe as you can, they’ll find some way to blame you for being their problem.
Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance. It’s enablement. Sure, don’t be a petty dick and make the situation worse… but don’t necessarily act the doormat either.
Remember that reddit story about blocking a shoulder passer? (SafeReddit)
I’ve got a similar story, but with a much more positive ending.
Was at a LARP event, camping in the woods, when a girl started having an asthma attack. She’d forgotten her inhaler, no one else had one on hand, and she was visibly turning blue as she suffocated. We called 911, but the nearest hospital was in a city several miles away and the 911 operator couldn’t locate our site to send the ambulance.
We agreed to meet the ambulance on the highway halfway, loaded up in my truck, and I booked it. Pushed my little 4-cylinder Frontier up to 115mph. Fastest I’ve ever driven. I had my hazards going and was flashing my brights like an asshole at every car I overtook. Thank fuck they all yielded to me.
We met the ambulance on the side of the road, transferred her over, and they were able to get her breathing again. She survived.
OMG!
You saved a life ❤️ great collab
Yeah, and never proven to be true.
Sounded a little suspicious on a second read!
I sometimes wonder who died and made them all highway patrol. I just want to get home safe, can people just not fucking ego trip behind the wheel of the 2 ton deathmobile?
Frankly it’s harder than you think for many, the only thing that calms me down and makes me drive absolutely great is weed but I hesitate to drive mildly high too often to not get caught randomly by some pig.
Also it seems like the more time I am driving the more bmw drivers and bmw drivers without bmw piss me off.
Holy shit please do not smoke and drive.
Can’t give any promises 😈
Well you just promised us you’re a piece of shit, so … seems you can
Yes, you can. Please do the responsible thing.
makes me drive absolutely great is weed
Hi, I’m an enthusiast.
Fuck you for smoking and driving.
You cannot justify it to me no matter how many times you rephrase “it helps me chill Bro”
It helps me chill bro
What do you mean you are an enthusiast though. Are you my fan? Please tell me you are my fan it would be so cool
Don’t most highways have signs that say “Slower Traffic Keep Right” though? So that pretty much negates your argument. If you are slower than the traffic behind you, you should get into the right lane, until you’re no longer slower, then get back into the left if you need to continue passing.
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Passing a car is an active endeavor, not something you languidly perform over a period of 5 minutes. If you’re going 1 mph faster than the car in the right lane, you don’t belong in the passing lane and are impeding the flow of traffic.
Cool story bro.
I literally said that in my original comment. Passing slow is just being a dick. (barely passing are the words I used).
Then i used the examples of 10km/h vs 30. Where did you get that 1mph is acceptable?
From the comment you replied to:
as long as you are passing
If you’re not passing, get over. If you are passing, getting over means merging into another vehicle: don’t do that.
I woukd take that to mean if you are faster than the car in the other lane then you are good up until that’s no longer the case (e.g. until you have passed them).
Found one who doesn’t get it! Please turn in your license and save lives!
Decided you weren’t worth it.
Yes, passing lane – not fast lane.
Faster lane?
My dude that’s just a picture of the means of production being seized.
I suppose I would personally also be on my horn in an emergency but this attitude is why America can’t have nice things. stop policing your fellow slaves and get out of the fucking way.
of course I live in a civilized country so America might just look bad because that’s all that gets posted and most people aren’t attempting to murder motorcycle riders for winning the rat race or shooting up schools.
Kinda lost me there, NGL. 😅 Still, I learned to drive in Detroit & Chicago, and then again in Germany & Italy. The vast majority of US drivers are fucking selfish morons, and the majority of them should not have any license to drive at all. 🙇🏽♂️
I agree as long as the slower driver was already in the process of passing. Cutting off the approaching faster driver is unsafe.
One way to earn yourself a premium insurance rate, if you survive. 🤞🏽
Yeah this makes sense. My comment only refers to already in the lane and passing, and some donkey wants to pass faster and won’t wait 4 seconds until you’re done passing (at a good speed)
Left is for passing, if you’re just driving then you’re in the right lane until you come up on someone to pass
This is a good philosophy, not just for traffic flow but for safety. If a drunk or disoriented driver is going the wrong way they’re usually going to be in what is to you the left lane, which to them is the right lane. So they’ll just go past you instead of into you.
If they’re blocking you then why don’t you just pass them on the right?
Because that makes it harder for them to move back to the right
I’m just going to go ahead and assume that both of you are taking into account that not everywhere has the same roads - IMO (and I think it’s just proven logically) the middle of the road should be where the fastest cars are.
On a 4 lane road (with a divider like 2/2) those middle two lanes should have the fast drivers. This way the people who want to go fast do so, and they don’t have to deal with people merging onto the road. Neither do the people merging have to deal with the fast drivers.
Having the middle lane/lanes be the “passing”/speeding lanes is less safe though, because both outside lanes then have to worry about faster traffic merging into them to pass people in the middle lanes, rather than just a single lane. Also the people merging absolutely would still have to deal with fast drivers, when drivers in the faster middle lanes try to pass each other on the right. Doing so would put them in the same lane people are using to merge onto the highway.
Edit: also people in the slower left lane would have to merge into and out of the faster middle passing lanes in order to exit the highway, which just sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Edit edit: are you talking about 4 bidirectional lanes, with, for example, two going north and two going south? If so my bad for the misunderstanding, we actually agree
Two going north, two going south.
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Speeding is “illegal” too, so that’s not really much of an argument.
Its legitimately unsafe. Having traffic on one side consistently faster than you and the other side slower greatly reduces the chance of accidents because you can have have some relative assurance that speeding up while merging left is safe and slowing down while merging right is safe. It also keeps faster traffic out of and further away from onramps/offramps.
Drive safe, don’t be an asshole, its not that complicated.
No mf I want to drive 100+ that means I’m gonna pass on the right
/sarcasm
I mean, if you’re about that life, then yeah, gonna have to start weavin’ but that’s half the fun.
I need to buy a shitbox to throw boost at…
It’s a great argument actually. Speeding on the highway is generally expected. Going 20 over in front of a cop is unlikely to get you pulled over in most of the U.S. The cops are more than likely doing the same thing. Passing on the right on the other hand is very likely to get you pulled over if a cop sees it. It’s a very dangerous move to pull because it’s not something other drivers can predict that you’ll do. The last thing you want to do is turn a middle or right lane into a passing lane. Then the slower drivers that just want to cruise will be pressured to move, possibly into the left lane which is now no longer a passing lane which compounds the issue, and you just get chaos where different lanes are all going different speeds at random.
They should pull over the person who got passed on the right instead. If someone is able to pass you on the right you’re in the wrong lane.
In California passing on the right is expected
Try Florida… It’s the norm
No, they pass on the shoulder lmao. (Grew up in FL)
There’s a saying that I really like that seems relevant here - only break one law at a time.
IT’S CALLED THE FUCKING PASSING LANE FOR CHRISTS SAKE! FUCK!
While I understand you deserve to pass in the passing lane, I do to. The cars to my right are going 55, I’m going 60. I would love to get over but I’m passing the people going 55. If I were to get over, I would be doing 50.
As soon as it is safe, I will allow you to pass. Sorry about the delay.
This sounds like where I live. Everyone is either going 20 over the limit or 10 under it the whole way and both are constantly trying to change lanes for no legitimate reason lol
And most of the time they don’t use their turn signals
I rarely see law enforcement go after the people driving like aggressive idiots. Always the poor Joe late for work going 5 mph over…
Drive a newer looking pickup truck. They won’t mess with you because you’re obviously “good people” if you can afford something like that. Avoid driving a clapped out Nissan, because you’re a bad person if that’s what you’re driving. You have to think like an idiot with a highschool education.
Sounds kinda like what happened to a friend of mine years ago. Cop pulls him over for speeding a bit, other people were going noticeably faster. He asks the cop why him and not some of the other people, cop says it’s because he was easier to get to since he wasn’t going as much over the limit as the others.
Basically, it was the “you don’t have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun your friend” of the automobile world.
Your statistics suggest you should drive like an aggressive idiot.
Why can’t people drive
or better still: not drive.
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Gotta love freaking weirdo stalkers that go look at your comment history…
Shiddit turned the internet into a bunch of antisocial idiots …
Ok, but that is like a lot of gay porn, like a LOT.
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I once went to a conference as a vendor and they hired a temp to go with us to do a lot of the grunt work and had him drive the van there and back. He would drive under the speed limit in the left lane. When I couldn’t take it anymore and finally said something, he said, “I like driving in the left lane!”
They had to practically hold me back from strangling him.
I’m much calmer these days.
Because your wish was granted, right?
He left my presence still breathing, but I assume someone else has strangled him by now.
I’ve heard that a society governed purely by logic would be one that never takes emotion into account, one that only sees the cold logic.
That sounds bad. That being said:
We live in a society where people actively enjoy becoming road hazards, subsequently becoming dangerous to others whilst staying relatively safe themselves.
Idk, maybe we meet somewhere in the middle? Cuz I feel like those feelings should not be respected.
I try to drive so I am as far away from other vehicles as possible. I also try to avoid ever inconveniencing other people. It doesn’t matter if I’m going 140, if you come up behind me, I’m moving over to let you by - as quickly as I can while still being safe. I expect the same from others. Changing lanes isn’t hard, I often move over to let someone by and then go back to continue passing.
Also, please stop passing on the right. You’re just making everything worse.
In Arizona the norm seemed to be to pass fast on the right and go slow on the left. Even on a three lane road, with me going slightly above the speed limit in the middle, idiots would choose to pass on the right rather than use the open left lane. Definitely the worst part about the state in terms of daily experience
I have no choice but to pass on the right because jackasses ride the left lane and drive under the speed limit. The police around here don’t enforce it. Drives me nuts.
140
You mean km/hr, right?
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Km/hr, right?
Meters per second
I did 140mph once. I redlined my poor Civic trying to keep up with a Supra. We were both weaving through traffic (Vegas to L.A.) and I did manage to keep up for a while. Looking back now that I’m older, I’m just really thankful we didn’t cause an accident.
Also, please stop passing on the right. You’re just making everything worse.
Yeah, it’s unsafe, but how is it making things worse? It seems to be making the best of a bad situation, not escalating anything.
The real solution here is to pass and enforce “stay right except to pass” laws. You should only pass on the left, full stop.
Because a good chunk of time your just making it harder for the person who is holding everyone up to move over. I’ve seen lots of people pull out from behind me in the fast lane and go past me and the car in front of me, and then the car in front will move over. Sometimes people do want to get out of the way but people are to impatient to let them.
I’ll give them about 30 seconds. Which is 25 seconds longer than it takes to get in the slow lane.
What the fuck? How is doing something unsafe not making things worse?
this only applies to not very congested roads. I’m la type areas where there’s always traffic it doesn’t work
