Saving Democracy
Biden was responsible for removing the democratically elected prime minister in Pakistan because he refused to follow the geopolitical whims of the USA. His entire party is dead in the water with several MNAs assasinated, hundreds tortured, and thousands of supporters still in jail without trial or bail.
So respectfully, fuck off with this shitty propaganda meme.
I’m convinced that Lemmy is riddled with Russian bot farms trying to stir up shit. I’m mostly democrat and believe Biden is a net good over Trump, but I won’t delude myself into thinking they care about me personally. How-fucking-ever, Trump is a literal threat to our democracy and if we can’t rally against him by rallying for Biden, we’re absolutely fucked. And you morons are just giving into this extreme lefty rhetoric because of people like Hasan? That mother fucker is a millionaire and lives like one too.
Lemmy is a worse echo chamber than reddit. I was proud when I came here during the API-bullshit and supported Sync for Lemmy but I can’t do this shit any more. I’m actually embarrassed to come here and read all this anti Biden shit while you guys complain about roe v wade being overturned, billionaires (which trump made the biggest tax cuts in history to), Israel (which is somehow Biden’s fault? 🤣).
I believe this post, OP. Whether you’re trolling or not. Everyone else can go fuck yourselves. Go ahead and ban this one too, mods. Since we’re not living in an echo chamber.
OK who let the DNC get a lemmy.world account
Is anyone buying these lib propaganda memes? Carter is the one the screwed over the economy.
Is anyone buying these right wing trolls pretending to be leftists?
Liberals you mean?
Everyone who disagrees with Stalin is a liberal.
Yeah libs keep trying to pretend to be leftists, its annoying.
Lol, lib propaganda, ok Trumper
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Carter, who was President for 4 Years Screwed up the economy by liberalizing the housing market
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Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush Sr, who ran the White House for 20 years had nothing to do with it
Please nobody ask what inflation was like between 1968 and 1992
Yeah, it’s probably better to go back to a lot of FDRs policies.
Or the bipartisan effort to keep house prices by any means necessary. Such as by giving everyone who a fairly low interest home loan , which directly led to 2008.
by giving everyone who a fairly low interest home loan , which directly led to 2008.
You think 2008 was the result of low interest rates?
No, guaranteed loans. If everyone can get a loan interest loan, it doesn’t really matter to them if a house costs $200,000 or $400,000 spread out across 30 years. So home prices just continue to inflate. The loan interest rates and guaranteed loans are the reason prices got so high in the first place, the collapse of this scheme by flying too close to the sun with repealing Glass-Steagal is what lit the fuse in 2008. But they’ve got their plan back on track now.
No, guaranteed loans.
A necessity in a society whose economy operates via credit expansion.
it doesn’t really matter to them if a house costs $200,000 or $400,000 spread out across 30 years
If you’ve ever had to pay a mortgage note, you’ll discover that it matters substantively. The real benefit of the 30 year note isn’t the scale but the fixed interest rate. Once you find a house you can afford, rising rates of pay relative to a fixed rate of interest means the real house note costs decrease over time.
The loan interest rates and guaranteed loans are the reason prices got so high in the first place
Prices for housing vary substantively by region and by density. Housing prices in neighborhoods with low rates of development continued to be cheap well into the early 2000s. Housing prices in the suburbs and exurbs - particularly for new builds - are consistently cheaper than in the urban centers where real estate is scarce.
If you check out the Austin, TX real estate market during the Carter to Clinton period, housing was incredibly cheap and abundant. It wasn’t until the construction boom in the mid-00s that prices began to climb, and the rate of climb outpaced most of the continental US well into the Trump/Biden era. That had nothing to do with “guaranteed loans” under Carter and everything to do with Austin developers quickly maxing out available real estate development area easily accessible from the freeways. Same thing happened in DC and Virginia, after Amazon moved in. Housing speculation boomed, completely apart from individual credit.
You can see the reverse in Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois, where the collapse of the auto industry made real estate incredibly cheap. Also in Florida, abet on a much tighter timeline.
And the major driver behind all of these price fluctuations has been private equity investment in residential real estate
This has nothing to do with Carter and everything to do with three men by the names Gramm, Leech, and Biley.
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Don’t be blind… Every President gets more money for rich people in some way or another. Some just also try to help the little man sometimes.
All presidents kinda suck…you can’t get to that level of power without some compromise of character
I would not say both sides are the same, but this a bullshit oversimplification. The dems are not some ray of sunshine who have only made this country better.
Here are Clinton’s claimed achievements. It’s a lot more than “the deficit”. There’s a reason why he was reelected:
https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html
Clinton ushered in the era of the neoliberal democrats, after a series of genuinely good ones like JFK and Carter, and ones like LBJ that might have been murderers abroad but at least were aggressively progressive at home. (I know, JFK killed a bunch of people too)
I’m not saying Clinton was bad necessarily; he was certainly better than more Republicans, but he wasn’t a mostly affirmatively good thing like Obama or Biden have been. The pre-internet picture of the world that most voters had was radically more conservative than today’s view (in a way that’s honestly hard to remember now that non-establishment news is a normal thing). I think as a result of that blinkered view, candidates too far on the left were just getting their ass kicked in the election over and over again, so maybe it was the right thing for him to do to move to the right. But even some of the stuff on that list of achievements is sinister neoliberal shenanigans (more police, less people on welfare after welfare-to-work, etc). Income at the top went up, but income inequality continued to skyrocket under Clinton’s economic policies pretty much exactly as it had under Reagan’s.
So glad Obama gave us universal healthcare… Oh wait.
We all know this is bullshit right? Neither the Republicans or the Democrats give a shit about anything else then making rich people more money. I’m sorry to break it to you but the Democrats aren’t your friends. I know they pretended to be but they’re not. They are just as much your enemy as the Republicans. 😞
At least you named yourself appropriately. Lazy. Otherwise, you would know that Obama attempted to provide a public option for healthcare. You do realize how politics works, right? You need a certain amount of votes and support in order to pass new legislation. If you don’t have enough votes on both sides of the aisle, then you change NOTHING. So yes, one side, the Democrats, tried to provide healthcare that had a public option, and the other side, the Republicans, fought tooth and nail to stop it.
And you blame Obama. <polite golf clap>
We know and the point of this post is that voting for one of them and grinding down the other is a clear message of what people want. Rich dude making his friends richer should have been a no-brainer but people keep using slimy tactics like the one you are using to distract the people from that fact.
Both sides are rich dudes making rich dudes richer…
One is negociating with what the people want, the other is lying and laughing while doing whatever they want.
There’s a big difference between stealing a pack of gum and literal nuclear secrets, don’t be obtuse.
We can agree they ignored some good Republicans did and very cleverly cut it off before Nixon creating the EPA, making dialysis ubiquitous when at the time a single treatment was ≈35k.
Which president reversed that?
Notice I didn’t mention any president. I mentioned a fact, don’t be obtuse.
Don’t deny reality.
No matter who, it is the wealthy who prosper from either party at the expense of everyone else.
I never said anything different (rude name automod won’t let me say). What’s your actual (rude adjective) problem dude?
Why do your graphs only go to 2016?
Because that’s what Wikipedia has on hand?
Fuck do you actually think things changed?
Let me tell you how it’d look, a dip in overall wealth during COVID, with a sharp drop for the bottom 99% and large overall gains for the top 1%.
Fuck do you actually think things changed?
Yeah there’s been a ton of news articles about it
The rich people who pay them both through lobbyists know what the people actually want. We don’t need to vote more clearly. 🙃
I’m not using a slimy tactic. This is my opinion. Sorry you think that not agreeing with you is slimy.
I’m a socialist. The Republican and Democratic parties are Siamese twins. They cannot survive without each other. They are completely dependent on the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils. Pretending like the Democrats actually cared about you or will do the things they say they will is an understandable coping mechanism for our situation but it’s not real. 🤷
You left ‘exterminating Palestinians’ off that last one.
I think it’s only listed if it’s different than the opposing party.
For Biden it’s only an acceptable outcome (for some godforsaken fuckin reason which I won’t defend in the slightest)
For Trump, punishing brown people is a core value he makes a priority of. Remember Muslim ban / family separation / moving the embassy to Jerusalem / “finish the job”?
Da.
Hi, Palestinian American here, stop fetishizing our corpses as an excuse to let the guy who wants the genocide to come here too into office.
Badna N3aesh.
Edit: fuckin’ love the full mask off reply of
“The genocide of your people isn’t about your people!”
Whitest bougeyvik bullshit I have ever witnessed put to keyboard, PoC aren’t even allowed ownership of being genocided anymore if whitey doesn’t like how we decide to respond to it.
Thanks for saying this. The comments are crazy. Like it would be more convenient if you could be genocided after the election, because you know this genocide is kind of in the way of some other domestic issues we’re having. So if you could just let Biden have this one until after the election that’d be great.I take back everything. This guy makes no sense and I completely misunderstood the comment. And I don’t think he speaks Arabic but claims to speak for Palestinian Americans. L take.
No I’m talking about you.
Those “other domestic issues” is the other guy wanting to bring the genocide here that you seem to have glossed over.
Palestinian corpses are not a set piece for white leftists to ignore their duty to mitigate harm in the US and still feel like they get to play ally at all the grammable marches and rallies.
You’ll not find one Palestinian American who thinks Biden is a good president right now, and you’ll just as soon find one who won’t look at you like a complete moron for thinking letting Trump win over it would be of any help to our cause in the slightest, in fact, they’d probably assume you were an Israeli agent agitating on Bibi’s behalf. Who else would side against keeping Trump out of office after he gave Israel a free hand on The West Bank, East Jerusalem, and The Golan Heights?
Edit: claims to be Arab, but swears they and all their totally Arabic family members are gonna let Trump win because “but Dems bad too!” When Trump brings the genocide here, Palestinians will remember all the help “Arabs” such as yourself showed us by laying the red carpet out for him.
Either you’re a liar or a knowing collaborator, either way you are no ally to Palestinians here in America, nor are you any help to them in the homeland.
Go ahead keeping on feeling righteous about letting fascism win to “punish” people you’ve probably ranted a hundred times now would rather lose than let a progressive win, meaning Trump winning is literally just giving them what they want in your backwards line of thinking…
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وأنا عربي يا زلمه بعرفش مع مين بتحكي بس ولا حدا من حواليي بدو الترمب يفوز وبنفس الوقت ولا واحد منهم رح ينخب لبيدن
None of my relatives, Palestinian / Arab / muslim friends is gonna vote for Biden. And none of them want Trump to win. In the end the same people who are now refusing to vote for Biden aren‘t in America because that was always the dream. We ended up here because of the geopolitical games and the support of the settler colonial Zionist project that forced us to abandon our homes because there’s no future. And if my relatives who died from American and European ammunition could have lived if Biden had stopped them, I’m not gonna keep him in power.
It’s up to the DNC to act according to the will of their voters. Voting now for Biden will send exactly what message, that he can get away with facilitating a genocide and that our lives are unimportant compared to the bigger picture? And for the record, I don’t know anyone who’d vote for trump. People will simply stay at home or vote third party.
Everyone would have wanted a different outcome, but it’s just impossible to ask me or anyone to put a cross for the murderer of our families.
عفكرة ما حدا غير انا وإياك رح يقرأ ايش بتكتب وبالصراحة بتحكيلي انو مش مصدق انو أنا عربي بس بشوفكش ترد غير انو كتبت بدنا نعيش… طب ماشي عايشين بس كيف بتعيش أهل غزة… احنا مستقبلنا ولا بيدن ولا الترمب رح يتحسن علينا و وأولاد عمنا رح يخلصو شغلهم قبل ما أي حد عندو فرصة لغير اشي
احكيلي كمان مرة انو أنا ندل وجاسوس بس انت مقاومتك انك بتساعد لبيدين عن جد؟ مش عارف وينتا جيت على أمريكا ووينتا اخير مرة بقيت انت بالبلاد بس تحكيش عني أو عن اهلي أو صحابي إذا بدك تمص لإلي احتلنا وقتلنا ولو سمحت رد علي بالعربي إذا عروبتك على هالدرج انك بتعرف مين عربي ومين لا هيك عالسريع
So you’re not gonna answer anymore huh? I can only assume that you’re a second generation immigrant and you’re not capable of actually speaking, let alone reading or writing in Arabic. If you’re indeed Palestinian go ask your parents what I wrote lmao. Machine translation is not gonna help you.
Assuming that YOU indeed are who you claim, let me tell you something. Unlike you I actually grew up in Palestine and I’m Palestinian first. You seem to be first of all American and this whole Palestine thing is more of a thing where in high school you bring some Hommos and celebrate diversity. But we’re not some illusion of your assumed identity. We are real people living real lives, and we’re dying and being oppressed right now. This is happening at the hands of a genocidal maniac armed and supported by the current president Joe Biden. Many of my relatives and friends have died, my family has been displaced and lives in diaspora.
Since you’re mainly American you won’t understand this, but if Biden isn’t willing to give up his die hard Zionist stance, we’re not gonna vote for him. If Trump wins the election and the US becomes a dictatorship, we will go somewhere else. We have left our lives behind and we’re prepared to do it again. And we’re not going to sacrifice ourselves because people like you are too afraid to give up their cushy American lifestyle.
It’s not just about you guys. If we let this slide then our laws about not supporting human rights violations are a dead letter. We have important domestic reasons for holding Biden’s feet to the fire.
Oh good, our laws about not supporting human rights violations will TOTALLY be stronger with Trump in office. Thanks.
They aren’t going to stay strong if we don’t defend them either though. They can become a dead letter under the Democrats too.
Yeah, forgive me for not seeing “Well, if we contribute to Biden’s defeat, MAYBE next time, after the Trumpist genocide here in the States is done and if we get a democracy again, we won’t tolerate genocide abroad, because THIS time there will be PRECIDENT for giving power to fascism if the politicians don’t listen to less than half of their own party on foreign policy!” as a particularly appealing line of reasoning.
Wait, you think Trump is going to commit genocide in the US? Lmao. That’s a new level even for Biden die hards.
Imagine hating LGBT people this much.
Man I’m a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.
Also, missed a bunch of presidents? Bush 1 after Reagan. Lyndon B, Nixon, Ford and CARTER between Kennedy and Reagan.
I obviously agree with the overall message (that “both sides” is and always has been bullshit) but c’mon man.
Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic. Like “passed tax cuts for top _% of income earning Americans” “repealed gun laws”. It’s still cherry picking and biased but that’s what moves something like this out of the realm of propaganda and into I dunno…something more like biased news? Bias isn’t inherently bad, obviously when you’re trying to have an argument you have a side and an agenda.
Man I’m a progressive and even I can tell this is propaganda.
Aw man, you saw right through it!
I was told you progressives were smart but you caught this propaganda in no time! And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling progressives!!
Ok how else would you word that I’m on the political “side” of the meme and still call it out for being kinda shitty by misrepresenting the ‘other side’ in a way that undermines the credibility of the message?
I did not expect this to blow up and made an offhand criticism that used a cliche literary device before heading out for the day. I apologize for getting tripped up when information is misleading or inaccurate, it’s a condition, and obviously I am long overdue at the gulag
Y’all take stuff way too seriously on the Internet.
It obviously has a point of view. Just like any text, image, or other media.
It’s fun because it’s pretty much true. If you want to make sure to include Johnson (hey - can we do the whole JFK thing here? Cause you know Johnson was . . . I guess that wouldn’t fit in this particular meme) or Carter (yeah a meme is probably not the place to re-litigate his administration, though that’s a good idea) one could, and apparently that would work towards being less “propaganda” like, but it wouldn’t be very brief.
If you’re saying the overall message of the meme is wrong, well we’ll disagree there. But if you’re saying it’s just not properly balanced; I mean - Yeah. Obviously. Y’know what else isn’t properly balanced, though - actual news articles from the New York Times and Washington Post, every single day. “Biden is old, Biden fares poorly in some poll we found on the floor. Trump does outlandish bullshit again, people love it.” C’mon. We can take a look at the point of view of those articles and that would be propaganda in a more denotative sense.
So calling out a pro-Biden meme for being propaganda is, well, not wrong, but . . . kinda . . irrelevant? Hey, you wanna explore each of the listed presidential administrations and go through their accomplishments to see how true the meme is? Man, that’s a long thread but we can do that - and when we finish, guess what - it’ll be pretty close to this. But sure. Why not, Let’s go.
I guess we can, what, use JFK as a “gimme” and just allow that a defining accomplishment was to create the space program as we know it. Should we add anything in there about the Cuban Missle Crisis or - ? What even would that be? “Faced down communist aggression”? “Skillfully negotiated aggressive military . . something”? Yeah ok let’s just leave it at the moon thing. I mean, he only got three years, right.
Reagan. Why’d we jump to Reagan? We missed Nixon! Oh man, where are the Nixon memes amirite. Well, Regan - who as we know served two terms - really laid the foundation for the absolute mind-meltingly disastrous republican party politics that we know and love today. What was the defining element of his two administrations? (Should we split the two or just - I guess the format is for one line each so, no - ok) Well, he’s really most famous for taking money from federal programs and giving it to the military contractors or back to other people who have money, i.e. the rich. It’s actually pretty apt. But we can debate that one, everyone loves a good Reagan hullabaloo. We could also do the October Surprise, or Iran Contra, or invading El Salvador or a bunch of other shady shit, but let’s go on an "affects Americans daily lives’ bend. “Gave money to the rich” is correct.
Bush I - oops we skipped him, hm. Why’s that I wonder. (Oh, hey maybe it’s two term presidents only?) Eh, Let’s just put Iraq I and then I guess we’ll have to figure out why we went to war for oil. Oh - or we could just put “blood for oil” and hope that the economic implication is obvious enough. Anyway, moving on.
Clinton - well, we could talk about the whole healthcare reform thing that was a major component of the first term. Or in how he pulled the rug out from under Newt “contract with America” Gingrich by declaring big government “over” and adding a ton more cops. That’s . . y’know . . true but . . . not as . . pithy? as we’re going for here. His balancing the budget and actually leaving office with a surplus is, frankly, astonishing in retrospect though. It’s absolutely no small feat and no one thought it was even possible since Reagan just said it’s fine to blow all the money and hope future generations figure it out. Well, he figured it out. So that’s not nothing. That doesn’t seem like propaganda, that seems about right actually.
Okay the meme is getting really long at this point but I think you see the direction I’m going here. Is it misinterpreting “the other side”? Only in the sense that a meme is a single point of view and a deep discussion of the differences would be more balanced and nuanced but also take a long time and wouldnt ultimately be that far off from what we have.
So if you really feel like this meme is some horrible brainwashing propaganda of “the liberal left” or whatever? I dunno what to tell ya. Yeah? I guess? And it’s nice?
political memes are propaganda. all of them. always have been always will.
there are no exceptions, only examples which oppress and exploit more or less.
something this sublemmy needs to get into its head.
This a meme, not an infographic.
You’re right. It’s not an infographic. It’s also not a meme.
It’s a political cartoon. Definition from Brittanica: " a drawing (often including caricature) made for the purpose of conveying editorial commentary on politics, politicians, and current events. "
It’s just a joke.
Where have I heard that before?
I would argue that you know it’s propaganda because you are progressive.
What? I think a lot of non-progressives would call this propaganda.
True but it probably helps not being of the party the propaganda was meant for. It would be an additional level of security.
Who was in meant for?
It was made to make fun of progressives, by people who don’t want Biden to be critiqued.
Really? I interpreted it as more making fun of republicans and patting themselves on the back
Look at the title of the post. It’s to make fun of anyone who critques both parties.
Edit: like, you could put the actual campaign goals and summarized impacts and then it would be a real infographic.
The point of a meme is to be short and punchy, not academic.
This like watching the trope of “Republicans are evil, and Democrats can’t govern” play out in realtime.
We’re here for memes, not to RaRa your campaign.
Yes, yes, I’m well aware of the position of your kind. “Only memes that agree with me or empower fascism are allowed.”
No, not really. Just when it’s blatant propaganda.
It’s a fucking meme! Just go full boomer already and say “things I don’t like should be banned”.
No because that’s not the position no matter how much you want to straw man it.
It’s… a political meme. I wonder what sub this is…
This feels more like boomer humour than a meme.
What were William Harrison’s goals for office? 🤔
You know I’m not sure if you’re joking but I’m genuinely curious now.
Edit: I looked it up and most of what I could find was, “Let’s finish killing all the Indians”. 😬
Lmao I was just joking because he died only a month after taking office, but I did not expect that!
IIRC he was famous for being the guy that ended Tecumseh’s war, so yeah, he didn’t have the fondest opinions of indigenous rights
lmao I’m glad that bitch died
William Harrison was a Whig, which was definitely the more progressive party at the time. His vice president, John Tyler, abandoned the Whig party and aligned himself more with Andrew Jackson and the Democrats, which were the conservative party at the time. It should be noted that the Whigs were much less destructive toward Indians than the Jackson and the Democrats, and Tyler was also strongly anti-Indian and anti-Mexican.
Here were the political positions of the Whig party:
The party was hostile toward manifest destiny, territorial expansion into Texas and the Southwest, and the Mexican–American War. It disliked strong presidential power as exhibited by Jackson and Polk, and preferred congressional dominance in lawmaking. Members advocated modernization, meritocracy, the rule of law, protections against majority tyranny, and vigilance against executive tyranny. They favored an economic program known as the American System, which called for a protective tariff, federal subsidies for the construction of infrastructure, and support for a national bank. The party was active in both the Northern United States and the Southern United States and did not take a strong stance on slavery, but Northern Whigs tended to be less supportive than their Democratic counterparts.
I think he was just really happy to be included.
Lowering admission standards is not helping the country, is dumbing it down.
If you only compare democrats to republicans, every Democrat is going to look amazing.
Like comparing a large McDonalds combo meal to a literal shit sandwich.
I’ll always take some Mickey D’s in that choice. Even though it’s probably been a decade since I’ve actually ate that trash.
But if those are my only two options for every meal, I know on a long enough timeline the McDonald’s is going to kill me. Eventually I got to start asking why my only options are something bad for me and something that’s drastically worse for me.
I just want a fucking salad for once. Like, let’s just give it a chance, see how it works out.
Sounds fuckin great; if you know how to navigate in the direction of the salad please let me know.
In the meantime I do think it makes sense to request the burger instead of telling the waiter to just bring whatever
No don’t worry, THIS time when we eat shit it will TOTALLY encourage everyone to agree to not eating shit next time!
Unlike, you know, the last 20 or so times this happened.
I dunno, I think the establishment burgercrats need a 9-0 against voting rights for non-property owners to really learn their lesson!
Sounds fuckin great; if you know how to navigate in the direction of the salad please let me know
I used to say voting in the party from the ground up. But that hasn’t worked and the more we try the more the parties fight it.
The 2020 DNC “fund” changes is even worse than Citizen’s united, but no one ever mentions that.
The DNC outright says if they don’t like a primary they can ignore the results. And they’re already taking delegates from states.
But it’s a different age now, debates rarely even get held and haven’t mattered for decades. Which was the big thing that used to hold third parties back: access to debates and tv interviews. The parties are nothing more than agents at the end of the day. Just middle men who hand money between people and keep some while enjoying the high life.
What matters now is internet exposure and buzz.
For good candidates that can be almost free, for shit candidates that can cost over a billion dollars even against someone as hated as trump. And Bernie showed us that even with small donors, you can run a pretty big campaign.
A third party president only takes getting people on the same page.
Political change is rarely slow and gradual, shit happens quick, even though the people who were in power always says change will take forever right up till it happens
Excellent. Changing the electoral system and changing the FPTP ranking is going to take a lot of work, but that’s the way to go!
Until then though, we got the McDonalds (now with 30% less plastic!), or the shit sandwich which wasn’t refrigerated properly. So. Make your choice. Oh and If we could maybe not kill the planet, like, real soon that’d be swell.
If McD’s knows you’ll always buy whatever they put out because you essentially have no choice, why would they EVER want to implement something like eliminating FPTP voting that locks you into this ridiculous choice?
You act like the only two parties America has had is D and R…
And that the parties are the important part not the voters.
Before we’re able to kick all the neoliberals at of the dem party and beat back republicans to have the numbers to really change our political system, we’ll see the parties shake up. Marc Cuban has been getting his name out there for four years. He’s coming in 2028. And regardless of who wins 2024, the majority of Americans will be upset about it and there won’t be an incumbent.
“Beating the system from within” doesn’t mean just using the two existing parties, it means using the party system to replace the FPTP.
You act like the only two parties America has had is D and R…
It is the case, because the Constitution says whoever gets the most votes wins, i.e. First Past The Post (and yes the electoral college screwed with that immediately).
Okay, as an old I gotta tell you - you’re right, but you’re wrong. A third party win is a pipe dream that is never going to happen BECAUSE you’ll never get a third party to outvote one of the two existing. Unless the mutated GQP does something even more upsetting and unfortunate, I guess. You might get a third nazi party that outvotes “moderates”, that’s possible I guess. National Socialists. Ugh.
But getting a more progressive, liberal party to peel away enough Democrats AND Republicans to win a federal election in order to change the voting structure - I mean, just wish for a pot of gold, or a new washer & dryer combo. Work towards it, of course - vote towards it, yes. But pining for it and pretending it’s a viable option is going to waste decades of your political interested life for nothing. Ask everyone else who has been doing that since the 1800s. (no I’m not that old, but national politics are.)
It’s because if too many people ask for salads without enough asking for a salad, then everyone has to eat the shit.
So are you confident enough that enough people want salads to risk eating shit if you’re wrong, when the alternative is one more burger?
Point being, we need to move to some type of ranked choice voting instead of first past the post in order for it to be safe for people to say what they really want, and still not risk “horror” if not enough people agree.
What and you think that’s just gonna happen? Why would the Dems ever want to implement ranked choice voting when FPTP is exactly what keeps you in this ridiculous situation?
Just keep voting for Dems, that’s how we’ll eventually reform the system into one where we don’t have to vote for Dems… Yeah
It sounds like someone’s ordering shit for dinner
They’re also ordering shit for the rest of us too.
Wow, look at all those rebuttals to all those things I never said!
I’ll definitely myopically ignore the realities of our political system and do something vaguely cathartic but ultimately pointless and let the people I entirely disagree with win to spite the people I only kind of agree with.
Not sarcastically, you’re forgetting that the parties are ultimately made of people who are elected by people.
Democratic politicians tend to be Democrats, and Democrats tend to be more positive towards electoral representation.
That’s why places are actually adopting ranked choice systems, albeit usually at more local levels where it’s easier to change systems and politicians.
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting-information/#where-is-ranked-choice-voting-used
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/13/1214199019/ranked-choice-voting-explainerPoliticians want to get elected, and they don’t really care about the party. If supporting a popular initiative that hurts the party later helps you, you coincidentally agree with it, and on paper it aligns with your party ideals, why wouldn’t you vote in favor of it?
It’s one of those game theory situations where each individual operating in their own interests creates a situation that’s worse for the collective.
Disclaimer- I know about the Dixie Flip and how the parties are not what they were a hundred years ago. However you said every Democrat. I am legally obligated to mention this.
Abraham Lincoln.
Don’t forget Rough-Ridin’ Trust-Bustin’ National-Parks-foundin’ Teddy “Bull Moose” Roosevelt
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Sounds good - get it on my ballot, I’ll vote for it.
Sure seems like bOtH SiDeZ have started blatantly lying for their propoganda, and are trying their damnedest to villify the other by pretending that they are perfect. If you’re demanding unquestioning loyalty, you’re a fascist regardless of your label.
bUt gEnOciDE!!!
Geez…how could anyone care about genocide. Were gonna possibly get negotiated drug prices. That’s the real deal.
Everyone cares about genocide, just not everyone is dumb enough to think that a president of another country has the ability to stop it from happening.
And before you go off and dumb shit about how he’s supplying them with arms, go ahead and look up how much arms they already had before this started, and how what Biden is sending is pretty much irrelevant in comparison.
Everyone cares about genocide, just not everyone is dumb enough to think that a president of another country has the ability to stop it from happening.
Do you have any idea about the nature of the existence of Israel? Iran hates them, Irak hates them, Syria hates them, Lebanon hates them, Egypt and the Saudis hold up their noses because they’re pragmatic enough to look the other way as long as that gets them the favor of the US. It’s a tiny country with a small population which viability as a state is dependent on several European and North American countries being willing to give them full military support. If the US threatens them with a blockade, it would be possible to negotiate Palestinian statehood (not just stopping the genocide) within weeks, and a two state solution would no longer be a pipe dream. Instead, the US has been protecting them from any potential reprisal against their crimes.
There are great arguments about why you should vote for Biden, but flaunting this much ignorance is certainly not doing his camp any favors.
And accusing him of genocide isn’t helping either.
EvErYoNe cArEs aBoUt gEnOcIdE!
