I don’t blame them. Ukraine needs to take the war to Russia to win.
How about this: we’re allowed to tell them how to run their war as long as we supply them an uninterrupted pipeline of the shit they need to win it the way they’re telling us to.
Oh wait: we already tried that, except we not only didn’t even do it well, but also didn’t hold up our end of the bargain because of fucking fascist far-right politicians. So we kinda fucked that one up, didn’t we?
I hate that it took this long but the aid package cleared the house and is expected to clear the Senate. This just happened yesterday https://www.npr.org/2024/04/21/1246170238/ukraine-military-assistance-house-vote-mike-johnson-volodymr-zelenskyy
Oh I know. All I’m saying is that any semblance of justification for exerting strategic oversight of their war is gone, considering the political fuckery we just pulled in the last 6 months that had very real and negative consequences for Ukraine.
Oh yeah that’s absolutely fair! I mainly threw this comment up because it’s super fresh news so I was hoping to help spread it a bit.
And why shouldn’t they?
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Punish Russia for invading your country and if it hurts their economy perhaps that will deter other countries from pulling the same crap.
The article is paywalled but I’m guessing the warnings are because of the energy economics involved. If an effective counter-offensive drives up oil prices then maybe that will be the (admittedly likely painful) push the world needs to finally swap to other forms of energy. I’m aware it might hurt, but I think it’s long overdue regardless of wars and the decades of stalling for economic reasons has done a lot of harm to the world.
What warnings? Last I heard the very deliberate language was that the US “Did not encourage” strikes inside Russian territory. Has that language escalated?
Can’t read the article due to the torrent of pop ups unfortunately because I’m very interested to know the basis of the headline.
Just put
archive.ph/in front of the URL.The article is paywalled anyway.
The basis for the title is that Ukraine is still hitting targets in Russia. Honestly, I don’t believe the US was serious about their comments opposing those strikes. US oil companies will just make more profits after all.
I believe the argument was that it would raise global oil prices but that wouldn’t make sense unless Russia is doing a better job of bypassing sanctions than we know about. There have been rumblings of Russia using intermediate countries to move oil and other resources, so there is that.
And note the source. It’s basically an industry rag.
If anything, it’s an obligatory, “no… please… don’t…” to maintain plausible deniability.
last section of the document
It just seems super vague to me. It says that they are ignoring the advice to call off the strikes, but there’s nothing in there from an official or anything about what exactly they are being advised. Maybe I’m splitting hairs here, but it doesn’t seem definitive at all as to what’s being communicated.
It is vague and it needs to be because at best this is second hand account of what it was said.
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this is a fake story, there haven’t been any “warnings”… it’s pure propaganda being shoveled by the Russians…
It sure looks like it with the headline claim substantiated behind a paywall and no corroborating reports on credible websites.
You’re calling the economist Russian propaganda? Jesus Christ, you really have lost the thread 🤣.
they are shoveling Russian propaganda for some reason, like a lot of people do either knowingly or not
No, he’s calling the story Russian propaganda.
Oh huge difference! The biggest difference. Definitely not pedantics.
you’re obviously a troll… there haven’t been any “warnings”, you troll… the Ukrainians are free to bomb the Kremlin…
I don’t know you, so I won’t say that you’re an idiot. But your comment is idiotic.
See? It doesn’t have to be pedantic.
“Anything I don’t agree with is Russian propaganda.”
There was only one claim being called a Russian propaganda, and that is the warning from US.
Why don’t you disprove that instead of acting like an idiot and copy pasting some tired old troll comments?
It actually is a big difference, they could just be useful idiots posting bullshit they got from a bad source, rather than intentionally posting propaganda. Like the Russian controlled Republican politicians
Bingo. IF anyone said something it was more like, “it would be terrible if you accidentally blew up this target at these coordinates following this route through Russia’s shit air defense. Why that would be a real shame and potentially piss Russia off.”
Good. Fuck russia.
Every time I see headlines like these I remember that Ukraine denied the US told them to stop hitting oil plants in Russia, but people kept repeating the story.
Anyway…
Ukrainian forces launched a drone attack on Kardymovo, Smolensk Oblast tonight, successfully hitting a pair of Russian oil depots.
Both of the complexes are heavily burning.
US: please stop hitting logistic targets inside Russia!!!
Meanwhile
Russia: targets Ukrainian hospitals, power stations, gas depots, telecom infrastructure, emergency aid infrastructure, schools, parks, apartment buildings, restaurants, etc etc etc.
They are fighting in the fucking defensive war. What fucking logic is that? They should even cross the Russian border if needed.
Stop playing so much call of duty
Stop making vague mildly stupid comments.
That’s literally how war works, what’s your solution? Water pistols at 30 paces?
Hopefully China nukes you soon
Aww come on, you can do better than that. Let’s take it from the top and try again with feeling.
Hilariously if the US gets nuked so does the rest of the planet so your hope is both childish and hilariously idiotic.
I like the Economist but maybe posting their articles here should be avoided since no one can obviously read them so everyone is just commenting about the headline.
Lolol Ukraine trading the war to Russia.
Putin is a cunt but that’s a pipe dream.
Why would the USA expect Ukraine to listen to them when Israel gets more aid & regularly lies to the USA with 0 repercussions?
Israel gets more aid
Israel probably hasn’t gotten more aid in the last 2 years but overall they might have. Also, assuming this is even true, why would Ukraine listen to the US since they have abandoned support of Ukraine?
Israel doesn’t get more aid. Unless you consider total aid since 1946 adjusted for inflation, then yes, but that wouldn’t make sense. Israel gets 3.3 billion a year. Since February 2022, the United States has allocated $113.4 billion in emergency funding to support Ukraine.
‘They don’t get more money unless you count all the money’
Just because they have been supported by the US for a longer time.
I am not a fan of sending them anything, but that doesnt mean that they get more than ukraine this year and for the past 5-10 years, which is what you should compare.
Unless you count all the aid from before Ukraine was even an independent country?
You dont keep th armed they gotta do what they gotta do. Buy in or bug off
Ukraine is usa “ally” now, they must do what usa says
Israel doesn’t, and they bombed Syria and Iran, as well as Gaza, Lebanon and… where else?
Ukraine should only consider the comments of countries sending money and weapons.
When the US starts to send money again, then the US can comment.
Didn’t they just approve an aid package this morning?
In addition to the 80 billion they’ve already sent?
It went through the house, it is not yet approved. And for 8 months now, Ukraine has gotten no support from the US.
What, really? August was the last aid package?
Pretty much, the repubs have been holding aid hostage like a bunch of petulant children. MTG and Johnson leading the way, sucking on that orange tanned dong.
Dang, I’ve been traveling since the end of last year, I hadn’t realized they’d been f****** with the aid for so long. Dicks.
Yep, I see them as traitors. Regan is rolling in his grave right now.
No doubt on the treason charges.
They literally sent in forged elector certificates to try to trick NARA and pence into falsely certifying trump.
If Ukraine wants US money, maybe they should listen to them?
The US isn’t the one being invaded. The Biden admin’s insistence that Ukraine fight with a hand tied behind their back is ridiculous, it makes Biden look incompetent and weak to not commit to this.
I feel it’s a seismic shift in the position of the USA as a world power. Netanyahu has stopped listening and has faced no repercussions, so naturally Zelenskyy is doing the same. Completely withdrawing support for both Israel and Ukraine doesn’t appear to be in the USA’s best interests.
This could be a stretch but maybe it has to do with Trump and the likelihood he’s going to turn around and tell both sides to quit prolonging these wars and either finish off their opponents or get to signing a peace treaty.
For Israel it means escalating (as evidenced by how they’re poking the other bear - Iran - in the region) and for the Ukraine doing as much damage as possible to weaken the Russians so a peace treaty appears the better option over continuing to fight against an opponent who won’t lay down.
I could also be talking out of my exhaust pipe. I’ve been paying less and less attention to these conflicts the longer they’ve gone on.
That filthy orange traitor isn’t getting back into the Whitehouse
And it’s just Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”. Your use of the official Russian belittlement tells me all I need to know.
Trump can still win. Part of his path to victory is useful idiots in the left voting PSL while chanting “Genocide Joe” and pretending the trolley problem doesn’t exist and that they’re not strapped to the track their decision is leading towards.
In Australian media they are referred to as Ukraine and the Ukraine. You certainly missed that I used both conventions. Try not to assume that the language used denotes a position.
As for Trump, I certainly hope he is not elected again, but the election needs to happen first.
Israel doesn’t, they get US money all the time.
I have this feeling if Ukraine used the cash portion of the aid packages to lobby and buy the politicians they might be actually be able to supply themselves with meaningful procurement.
The Saudis as well. Despite 9/11.
A what should they listen to? This false news like you?
