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Question: if you skipped signing in to Microsoft when you set up Windows, does this f’upgrade still happen?
What I love the most about Windows is just how easy it is to find all the user settings I need to change. And I super appreciate how they configure things that work so perfect for me. It’s like I never need to make decisions of my own, they can read my mind. /S
theyre turning the deskop into a mobile platform which is inherently difficult to mod. this is so they can provide it as a service to any device.
I always laugh when someone says Linux has fragmented settings. Windows has that buddy. the fucking MOUSE SENSITIVITY setting is in a windows 7 UI.
You got me on the first half
Great to know. Not that I ever fucking use that menu, opting to use the sleep button on my keyboard instead.
Anyone who can should switch to Linux. Most of us can, I have done so on my laptop. I have tried gaming on Linux too and it’s fucking fantastic though I personally had an edge case issue that barely anyone will ever meet and had to go back. Do not let that discourage you from trying, however. Cyberpunk, as an example, was wonderful on Linux. No issues. As soon as my issues are sorted, something that will happen sooner or later, I will switch that pc in an instant!
Is there somewhere a guide in how to get started with gaming on Linux?
Tbh it’s pretty easy. Install Linux, install Steam.
Try Linux Mint, specifically. Very easy to install, runs on everything, just works. And gaming really is as easy as installing Steam, even for non Steam games.
What of Indie games that I download from the developer’s page or other stores?
Also, how is the update process of Mint these days for make versions? Is it a complete reinstall of the system? I might opt for a rolling distro for that purpose.
use heroic for gog, epic and amazon games, and bottles or lutris for random exe’s and the other stores. you can also add random exe’s as non-steam games to run them. Also do keep in mind to install things from the app store, not the web
The major updates can be done though the software manager and have been completely painless for me so far. If you are concerned with always having the latest stuff, Mint might not be ideal for you. They’re pretty conservative with updates so they can be a few versions behind on some stuff. That’s the downside of the “everything just works” mantra.
You can add non steam games to steam and it’ll run them via proton, can be pretty effortless in most scenarios. Otherwise, you can install Lutris and there’s a significant chance there’ll be an entry for how to run the game you want
I read that a lot. Somehow I’m not into adding all my games into the Steam client, though I am not totally opposed if there’s no other option. That’s due to my inherent trust issues with gaming platforms.
Might give Lutris a shot.
Whatever happened to PlayOnLinux?
POL is still around, it’s just not quite as user friendly as Lutris. I use Lutris for Battle.net games and older titles where I have a physical disk. Easier than trying to add them to steam IMHO.
Mint is great! Not my personal choice but it does work out of the box and is easy to use!
It’s perfect for anyone who wants to switch from Windows with minimal hassle. There are plenty of other great distros, of course, but choosing one can be a bit overwhelming at first. That’s why Mint is such an easy recommendation. It’ll get you started, may well be all you ever need and once you’re more into it, you’ll better understand what to choose.
Exactly! I think Mint is a great choice. I wouldn’t recommend anyone unfamiliar uses anything else unless they have very specific needs.
People pay for this?
Usually they just over-pay for their computer because you can’t really buy a system without Windows pre-installed (unless you build it).
I have so many computers that came with Windows installations that I never even booted into.
“Can’t really buy a computer without Windows pre-installed”? Weird, that’s not my experience. The stores allow filtering by “no OS” and you can see quite a lot of options.
Which retail store have you ever walked into that had a PC on display with no OS?
I don’t know if the people walking into a brick-and-mortar for a prebuilt PC are making decisions beyond “what’s available” and “what’s in my budget”.
There are absolutely online stores that do that, but they’re usually gamer-focused, so there’s three issues;
Note: I’m taking about laptops, because it’s all I’ve bought for the last decade or more;
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The non-gamer focused stores rarely (if ever) have the option (Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft, etc).
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The gamer focused stores usually sell hardware that runs Linux like shit because the hardware needs extremely specific drivers (which isn’t necessarily an issue for Linux, but if it doesn’t exist yet, you’re either building them yourself, or waiting for someone else to do so).
- Note: Most Clevo systems - that are private-labeled by the likes if IBuyPower, OriginPC, etc - run Linux really well. Some of these sellers make custom hardware, or sell other private-label systems, so your milage may vary.
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The gamer focused stores are usually patroned by people who are all in on Windows gaming, because they don’t do much else with the system, so they don’t experience the kinds of annoyances that power users would gripe about (which is why the above point doesn’t compel those sellers to do anything different).
- And before someone corrects me: Gamers are not inherently power users, they just have powerful systems. It used to be that powerful systems were only buildable and maintenable by power users, but that hasn’t been true for years. If all you do is install and click “play”, you aren’t a power user.
As for desktops, I really couldn’t say. Haven’t been paying attention for years. It’s possible that you could buy a system without a hard drive, never mind an OS.
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Linux and Nvidia really need to sort out their shit so I can fully dump windows.
Luckily the AI hype is good for something in this regard, since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.
PopOS has a good nvidia card support, try it out! It made me dump windows last October.
Pop OS has great Nvidia support out of the gate. Latest mint seems to handle Nvidia well also.
I’ve been running NVIDIA under Linux for about six years now, with no more issues than one would encounter running hardware/drivers from a number of manufacturers under a number of platforms.
In all honesty, I’ve encountered far more issues regarding HP printer drivers under Windows.
My old HP printer won’t even install on Win10 anymore. The have also removed the driver from the HP website. I’m sure you can still find it on some sketchy website, but I’d rather just use Mint on a laptop for printing all the 3 documents I print each year. Not to mention that windows updates take FOREVER on this low powered dual core laptop. On Mint it’s seconds.
I’ve been using Nvidia under Linux for the last 3 years and it has been massive pita.
Getting CUDA to work consistently is a feat, and one that must be repeated for most driver updates.
Wayland support is still shoddy.
Hardware acceleration on the web (at least with Firefox) is very inconsistent.
It is very much a second-class experience compared to Windows, and it shouldn’t be.
CUDA works fine here, in all honesty it’s never given me any problems. NVENC works fine, DLSS1, DLSS2, and DLSS3 all work fine, RTX runs at acceptable FPS compared to AMD under Linux - and NVIDIA Reflex is supported as of VKD3D-Proton 2.12 and DXVK-NVAPI 0.7.
On top of that, FSR is also fully supported - as is HDMI 2.1.
I only use Firefox, and hardware web rendering works fine. Hardware video acceleration isn’t working yet, but running back to back tests at 1080p with hardware video decoding under VLC, the difference between hardware video decoding and CPU rendering is about 5% CPU usage on average running a desktop PC with adequate power supply/cooling capacity as opposed to a laptop with limited power supply/cooling capacity.
The only problem with Wayland under KDE 6 is the lack of any form of sync, but explicit sync has ‘finally’ been merged, and should be supported under the 555 branch of drivers. Once explicit sync is supported, I really have few Wayland issues left to complain about.
Overall, I really don’t experience any showstopper issues that have me wanting for Windows in the slightest.
how long is having a GPU you can’t use without an OS going to he worth staying off Linux?
The only reason I have windows is to play games and not all games will work on linux
the only thing Linux can’t play is drm’d shit, and rootkit anti cheats. find a pirated version; bet it’ll run.
I’m not going to pirate software. Developers deserve a paycheck
Buy the game through whichever means you like supporting the developer on, pirate the game to run it without the DRM bulshit
you don’t own it til you pirate it.
if they wanted money, they wouldn’t have added DRM.
Until we are in a post job society, I see nothing wrong with wanting to support those who make your life happier, even if that requires giving some to those who make your life worse. Nuance exists, and its on each if us to draw our own lines on where we wont budge. I was merely giving an option to someone they might not have thought of. For instance, I’m done giving Nintendo money. Unicorn Overlord is an awesome game however, so even though I dont have modern xbox, and even though I’m playing Unicorn Overlord on a yuzu emulator. Eventually I’m going to by the Series S version of the game if it doesnt get ported to steam, even though Microsoft can go fuck itself (It can just fuck itself less than Nintendo or Sony)
How do you play helldiver’s 2 with my friends?
I mean, yeah, you can find exceptions to any rule if you look for them
Helldivers 2 works almost perfectly on Linux. I had to nest it in a gamescope session to fix some weird mouse issues, but that was it. I dual-boot Windows and I’ve never even launched it there.
photoshop. AutoCAD.
Which everyone should be avoiding anyway, regardless if they use windows or not. . so it shouldnt be a problem for any gamer.
Most people, even people on Reddit/Lemmy who are presumably tech-savvy, are completely fine with installing rootkits on their PC and handing full control over to random game devs.
Yeah, there will always be mouth breathing imbeciles.
You just ignore them, not enable them. Let them wallow in their own self made filth. Anything more runs the risk of them getting elected president.
Its mainly Nvidia’s shit. The only reason Nvidia is caring about Linux now, is that is the platform AI models use.
since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.
It’s always been important. Nvidia will never have actual open source drivers. They do this thing where they intentionally hobble your GPU unless you pay them even more money for a more expensive GPU.
Check out NVK and Nova.
The only thing keeping me on windows is the Nvidia GPU in my laptop. If Linux got actual dynamic GPU switching support I would delete windows and never look back.
it has that? You can use the nvidia utility to enable that on most any distro, or just use Pop_OS! 24.04 when it releases.
I’ve tried what popOS had around 6 months ago, and it wasn’t what I wanted. I needed to manually launch apps with the GPU. I want it to work like it does in windows where when the igpu gets too much load it dynamically switches to the dgpu.
i specified Pop_OS! 24.04 because in the new version with the cosmic dekstop, theyre going to add a seamless synamic gpu in the new version (thatll be out in a month or 2)
also, you CAN get that behavior on linux now.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3d4QH_43Ekei3-cNuecZpCaaaPzFFXbI?si=oha_xORoHC0oZvtr
this part of a linux experiment video shows how to do it, i cant confirm if it works as i do now have a laprtrop with an nvidia gpu tho
Oh wow, thats incredible! Looks like I have my Sunday project now.
I can help you with that if you want, you can message me on discord or matrix, just dm me your username of the chosen platform
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
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Bazzite has an image that includes integrated chip swapping on my nitro 5
Is it dynamic, or does it use the existing Nvidia Optimus utilities?
Windows key + L
Try and put an as on my keyboard ya stupid fucks
That’s the lock screen combo, not sign out. To quickly sign out: win+x, u, i. i can be replaced with u for shutdown or r for restart.
Win+R, logoff, enter.
That’s what I do every time, because I’m often working on a remote system and don’t want to mis-click and shut it down.
Win+D, Alt-F4.
That’s lock, not sign out.
But a little autohotkey could probably take care of this for you.
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Alt+F4
Careful what you wish for…
Typo and all…
Yeah auto “correct” is the bane of my existence.
Its been years since Ive seen ads on my PC, the first windows ad I see I’m installing Linux
There has to be a point of diminishing returns for them with this kind of behavior. This is just so aggravating.
I’d wager they are hoping to entrap as many people as they can on the platform, with their TPM restrictions, and store restrictions, and account restrictions, that sunk cost fallacy will keep the overwhelming bulk of people stuck in their web.
I’d also wager that enterprise probably doesnt have any of this bullshit
So same strategy as Apple?
Can confirm, I run enterprise at home and have yet to see some of these shenanigans I’ve seen posted.
But there’s still enough I hate about Windows 11 that I’m slowly transitioning to Linux and then just running windows in a VM for things there aren’t good alternatives for.
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Is there something like PowerToys Run for KDE? That’s one of the utilities I would miss the most when switching to Linux.
Yeah, KRunner, and it’s been around longer than Powertoys.
I never really used it on Windows so I don’t know if it has all the same features, but there’s probably some way to make whatever you need from it work.
The whole point of PowerToys was essentially to implement the features Windows was missing that the Linux DEs had already.
PopOS’s COSMIC menu is like that I think (you can search files, the web, even stuff like turning volume up and down)? But I’ve never tried to run it outside of PopOS.
I use Pop_Os on my desktop, but that’s nowhere near PowerToys. Even the search is barebones when you compare it with PowerToys using the Everything search plugins.
Also PowerToys has a lot more to offer than the search: mouse shake features, keyboard remapping, a great window manager with shortcuts, files preview and much more.
I know there are some decent alternatives in MacOS, but I haven’t found a proper replacement for that on Linux.
kde really has a LOT of power, most of the stuff you mentioned afiak. its not a 1 to 1 clone of powertoys obviously, so it has a lot of stuff thats not in powertoys, and is lacking some stuff thats in it,l but the kde desktop also has support for plugins, so you should be able to fill in the gaps
But in order to use that, I need to get replace the current Pop_Os Gnome interface, right? I cannot use that as an application, like PowerToys does, or can I?
ok so the thing with kde is that you can replace your pop_os gnome interface with it, but it would probably cause issues, so itd probably be simpler to just switc hto a different distribution instead. Id recommend tuxedo os
Fair. Powertoys is really extensive. I quite like Pop (or gnome’s? Not sure) tiling window manager though.
That’s a Pop addition, although you can easily use it on any other Gnome desktop by installing it as an extension
As much as everyone pushes Linux, it’s not a suitable replacement in a lot of scenarios
But it is a suitable replacement in a lot of scenarios. Most scenarios. The only time it isn’t is in niche specialty situations.
The problem is mostly that those niches count up, so that quite a lot of people fit in one of those niches.
I happen to fit in 3 niches at the same time: VR, Music and Professional design.
VR? No linux. Music production? Depending on your VSTs, No linux. Playing Music live? Depending on VSTs, No linux. Professional design? No Linux.
I currently actively trying to switch to Linux, despite its apparant shortcomings in above applications. It’s quite the challenge. Wine seems to install quite some stuff, but from what I’ve read it’s a crabshoot if stuff breaks after every update…
Not really. Adobe creative cloud is used my almost all graphic/media professionals, yet doesn’t work on Linux… that’s not very niche
And fwiw, most computer users still aren’t Adobe CC users.
graphic/media professionalsadobe usersAlthough it’s a bloated mess, it’s the standard for a reason. Affinity is starting to catch up, but the complete Adobe suite has no real competition.
That is a niche. its a large niche, but its still a niche.
It is in far more situations that it isn’t
Nothing productive mentioning the situations it can’t do while ignoring the massive amount of situations it can do far better
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Bloat vs. Bloat. FIGHT!
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Explain what you mean by bloat please
There is nothing you can’t uninstall on Linux. Linux distros, let alone desktop environments, really can’t qualify as bloat
There are even enough mainstream distros to let you choose one that meets your needs with little or nothing you need to trim
Yeah thanks, i know. Just saying, KDE is massive.
I want my power button to cut off the power instantly. I want my log off button to be instant. Add any delay and I start pulling cables!!!
I got to go, lock this computer, so I can do a thing! Oh shit, its not locking… fuck… Security says I can’t leave a unlocked console… POWER!
Adding needless friction is terrible! Don’t do it.
Win+L to immediately lock a windows machine. You can get the logout dialogue with alt+F4
KDE Plasma uses largely all the same shortcuts as windows. The most important ones in my opinion being super+arrow keys to move and tile windows.
At work, when I did desktop support, the number of people who would just hit their power bar when they left every day…
Alpha move right there
Is that bad for the computer? Because I didn’t even think about this in a corporate environment until your comment. All our employees would be pulling cords or batteries, they all march out at exactly 430.
any unwritten data would be lost, perhaps some file system updates get out of sync, but it shouldn’t be a big problem.
It is very easy to corrupt files doing this.
A proper journaling filesystem should handle this, but I hardly trust NTFS as it is.
Journaling should make sure that the file system itself doesn’t corrupt, but journaling doesn’t magically make all writes atomic. If a program is halfway through writing a file and the power is cut, that file will be corrupt.
As a user. When I want the computer to shut down. I’ve got my programs already closed. I really don’t care if there’s a half open log file or some telemetry isn’t properly recorded. It needs to shut down now.
By default, Linux can take up to 15 seconds to write a file to disk, this is for power saving reasons. You could corrupt the last document/photo you saved, your browser profile, or your nextcloud sync.
Linux usually shuts down immediately if you don’t have any unsaved files and nothing glitches out during shut down. But yeah, windows sucks, corrupt files is probably the least of your problems using Windows.
I guess on Linux, if you run
syncto write all cached files to disk, and then pull the cord, you’re probably fine.
As much as I like Linux, and use it almost exclusively on desktop/laptop, every time I see something like this I am reminded how much I hate the fact that Apple of all companies is about the last bastion of commercial and consumer operating systems who isn’t trying to derive the bulk of their revenue from advertising.
Even Apple is falling. Their ad business (yes, they have one) makes billions and is the fastest growing part of the company. The app store is already quite ad-riddled, and the other parts of iOS are geared to get you to subscribe to all the Apple services.
Yes they just derive it by keeping the Windows/MacOS duopoly in place and monopolizing communication channels.
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Linux ain’t as mainstream as MacOS and Windows are.
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…and this here, folks, is the problem.
In some sense yes, but advertising for its own stuff is advertising too. It nudges you to use their whole ecosystem.
The most annoying thing for me is that you can’t remove the iTunes component in mission control (the settings deck).
It does nudge you…but it’s not full screen ads that take multiple clicks to get through every week. I was a Windows zealot through W7…W10 got bad…W11 got me to start using Apple and Linux.
Wait, so this is not about the power menu, it’s about the pop up when clicking on your account picture bubble if you’re signed in to a MS account. They aren’t adding a step to logging out of your local Windows user, just to logging out of your Microsoft account if you’re using that as a login for Windows, OneDrive and Office365.
The “Lock” button also has a new home—it now sits in the power menu alongside “Shut down,” “Restart,” and “Sleep” options.
THAT is where the Lock button was? Not gonna lie, I’ve been Windows-L-ing so long I didn’t even know they had moved that to the account bubble.
I’ll be honest, the article is a bit overdramatic. Yeah, they are surfacing your services there to upsell you on the ones you don’t have, but it’s actually not a useless piece of info (currently finding your subscriptions is an ordeal) and none of the functionality is gone. It is true that a lot of UX things around Win11 have gotten worse, though. I’m currently using additional software to replace the taskbar (which will do the Start menu, too, if you want) because the inability to move it to the sides is ridiculous on the OS you’re most likely to pair with an ultrawide monitor.
I’ll be honest, the article is a bit overdramatic. Yeah, they are surfacing your services there to upsell you on the ones you don’t have, but it’s actually not a useless piece of info (currently finding your subscriptions is an ordeal) and none of the functionality is gone.
Look up “boiling a frog”
They count on this exact reaction.
Every time they implement these little bullshit changes, people inevitably go “It’s annoying but it’s not that big a deal.” And then they do more of it a few months later.
The article isn’t being hyperbolic because it’s reacting to the overall trend that this is yet another step forward in. Because the writer and everyone here knows it will get worse and worse over time.
Dark patterns are, by design, slow and incremental so as not to trigger too much pushback at once. People need to start being more aware of it and pushing back on it when they see it.
And yes, that information is probably useful to some people, but that doesn’t in any way justify hiding the options that used to be there.
Yeeeeah, but this isn’t a dark pattern, though. That’s what I’m saying.
The article really wants it to be, but… well, it’s not. The option to log out remains in the same place as the rest of your account info, and the account info they are surfacing is actually useful and relevant to how much money you’re spending. They are making it easier to subscribe, for sure, but also to cancel, which used to be pretty hidden away.
I get that this fits into a wider pattern for both MS and other major software companies, but if they inch towards the boiled frog at this pace we’re probably fine.
Now, if they ever try (again) to make MS accounts mandatory for Windows or to move Windows to a sub, we can have this conversation. As others said below, when you try to inch people towards dealbreakers you can find yourself losing ground very quickly. Especially if a new comparable alternative surfaces at the same time.
Do you know the term “trust thermocline”?
Basically it described a problem with the boiling the frog technique. There’s a point for every user at which they’re fed up with the bullshit, lose all trust in you(r company) and are hard to impossible to get back as a customer. Every customer leaving has a little unnoticeable effect on you, but with time there will be so many people that you lost that all your tactics to lock your users in will fail.
Look up “boiling a frog”
It’s a metaphor.
It’s a widely-understood phrase/metaphor. Nobody is saying Microsoft literally boils millions of frogs.
What is it with Redditors/Lemmings taking a turn of phrase, interpreting it extremely literally, and completely missing the point?
That’s what the win XP search dog was for.
They’d send it out hunting for frogs so that they can boil them all.Bill Gates first programme was a reverse frogger game, he’d get to drive the cars and score get points for squishing frogs.
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Autism, personally speaking.
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I knew it was a metaphor, but it’s also a lie and does not actually happen.
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That’s actually the result of “looking it up”, which was the instruction.
What is it with you that makes you so incapable of reasoning that someone might know what it means and also want to point out that it’s bullshit?
It doesn’t matter that interpreted literally, it’s not what happens to frogs. That’s not the point of the phrase, and certainly not the point the other commenter was making.
They were trying to talk about Microsoft’s business practices, not about what happens if you were to literally start boiling a frog. Yes, we know they aren’t fine with it, it’s extremely well-known and completely irrelevant.
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I don’t see any enshitiffication features and ads in Windows 11 that Lemmy and tech news are reporting. I wonder if it’s because I’m in the EU.
They may have not implemented it yet. I see a lot of things reported that they are still testing.
Yeah, the start menu ads were / are ‘only’ in the beta build.
New features get released into the developer preview. It’s basically beta test windows. It’s what the tech sites watch to see what new features/etc have been added/removed/changed. Usually they end up making it into the release builds, but sometimes they end up not doing it, or the change doesn’t apply to certain regions.
Jesus Fucking Christ. They really want people to switch to Linux, don’t they?
Microsoft should stop trying to become another Apple. This is not going to work.
as soon as they require a microsoft account to use versions of windows, they are apple… minus the mobile, but plus a metric shittone of things apple doesnt.
not that any of that is good, microsoft should die in a fire… but theyve spent 20 years building an OS-as-a-service platform and its coming to fruition. they might be slow, but rest assured they will get their captured, vertically integrated audience.
You don’t need an apple account to use a Mac. If you just want to enter a username and set a password, that’s all you need to do. If you want everything synced between another Mac or iPhone and so on, sign into iCloud. But you don’t HAVE to, just skip it.
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So they want people to pull the plug instead of signing out properly. If they don’t can this before it leaves the Beta Channel, they’re going to need to beef up their tech support, because the many office workers who use Windows mostly as a launcher for Excel won’t have a clue.
