deploy targets, typescript
Damn this is hard. I keep java script disabled by default so its hard to say anything good. I begrudgingly have to whitelist websites i need that cant run without it.
I feel like that’s more because you don’t want websites you visit running code than because you dislike this particular programming language
Thats true. It is more to do with code execution than the language itself.
Over what?
Death by wasps
Can I please pick the wasps?
Did a robot just ask to die because of JavaScript hahaha
The bot toggle was on for my account for some reason but I am human… I think
It should be off now
ROFL it is not
It seems it doesn’t propagate to other servers immediately though.
Totally understandable choice.
You can make your speakers go BRRRRRRRRR via Home Assistant with it
Elaborate?
- it’s easy to make fun of
- it makes every other programming language look better in comparison
- Duck typing
- Typescript
- It at least feels slightly little bit like lisp.
- Shit I’m f*ed
… ah right, it runs on any browser. Lame
It runs in browsers. It… isn’t poop? I don’t know. I’m all out of ideas.
Half marks
It… isn’t poop?
Well, there’s a link that’s staying blue.
It has a cup of coffee as logo
That’s Java, not Javascript. Java is to javascript as ham is to hamster.
Or butter to butterfly
Or car to carpet
Or fun to funeral
Moon to moonshine
I want to create a political party in India. I need you as a candidate for next elections.
- Ubiquity
- Easy adoption for those familiar with C family of languages
hmm, let’s see.
It’s not java.
It’s also not a scripting language.
also to the repeat grammar nazi in the comments here, hi, “its”
It’s also not a scripting language.
It definitely is a scripting language.
hello-world.js:#!/usr/bin/env node console.log("Hello world");Your favorite command line tool:
chmod +x ./hello-world.js ./hello-world.jsYou just need to install
npm, eg viaapt-get install npm.everything is a scripting language if you try hard enough.
It’s not a scripting language?
bash would be a scripting language, though to be fair, i also consider bash to be pseudo code as well.
If JS is a scripting language, than any other language is a scripting language. And technically, every language can be used to script, so therefore, is a scripting language. i’m referring to the aspect of a scripting language being generally constricted.
Pseudo code is literally fake code. Scripting is an actual type of code. Scripted languages while not strictly defined, usually refers to languages you don’t compile before running them. Bash is considered a scripting language because you don’t ship a binary compiled executable, but rather ship a file that is human readable and converted into machine code when it is run. Scripting languages are compared to compiled languages, like C or Rust. Where the file you run is already compiled, and executed directly.
What do you mean by this?
i’m referring to the aspect of a scripting language being generally constricted.
Any Turing complete system, or this case language, can do anything any other one can, depending on the level of suffering you are willing to endure to make it happen. Anything JS can do, Rust can do. Anything Rust can do, Bash can do. The differences between languages is the assumptions they make, and performance characteristics as a result of those assumptions. Functionality is not practically different from one another, though some absolutely make it easier for humans to do.
Pseudo code is literally fake code.
hence why i specified why i consider it to be as such. I just think pseudo code shouldn’t exist. Plain and simple. Bash scripting is close to a language in the same way that pseudo code is also technically code.
What do you mean by this?
i just mean the simple fact that you could technically probably run bash on windows, but really wouldn’t want to. I don’t consider bash to be a programming language, though it is technically a scripting language, because it’s primary existence is in the shell environment of a system. I.E. constricted, but that’s just my view of it.
Bash being on the same level as actually fake code is a pretty hot take to me. What are your opinions on Python, or Ruby, or any other interpreted language? You could very well use them as your login shell, just like Bash if you wanted. In your eyes, if Bash *isn’t * a programming language at all, how do you describe a programming language? Languages that express code are just the same as languages that write stories, and whether you do it in German or Vietnamese makes no difference on what story you can write.
When you describe a language as constricted what do you mean? Bash can do anything Python or Rust can do, each of them is just specialized to being better at specific aspects for human convenience in writing code. There is no inherit limitation on what can be done by the language you use to express it.
it’s definitely a hot take, you could theoretically use any other language as a shell, and i know you sort of can with stuff like node as well.
But those aren’t shell languages, and bash isn’t a true language, in the sense that it was explicitly designed to be used in the shell environment, i also consider it to be “pseudocode” because it’s not actually bash doing things a pretty significant amount of time you’ll stuff something into sed or awk, which are actually different interpreters all together.
bash is almost a sort of wrapper, between a bunch of different programs that all handle things differently, allowing you to glue them back together to make something usable. It’s close enough to being it’s own language, that you could make it one, but it’s not, because it’s not supposed to be one.
i suppose that’s pretty much what i mean when i say constricted.
Depends on how you define “scripting language”.
Older techs remember when it was only browser-based and they thought of, and perhaps still think of, “scripting languages” as something that would run from some command-line or another. Starting a GUI browser to run a mere script was a ridiculous concept. (There was also that JavaScript had no filesystem access. At least initially. And then it became a gaping security hole, but I digress.)
Today, there exist command-line accessible versions of JavaScript but even there (I figure) most people wince and choose anything else instead. Maybe even Perl.
But another definition of “scripting language” is “(any) interpreted programming language” and where it runs is unimportant.
From that perspective, sure, JavaScript qualifies. And so does QBASIC.
A script is just a file that can execute a series of commands without the need to compile
They compile in some point of time because CPU don’t know shit about Javascript. But that is for some other discussion.
Edit: typo
Are you referring to AOT compilation specifically? JavaScript in V8 is JIT compiled if it’s “hot” (executed enough that the cost of JIT compilation is less than the cost of continuing to run it in interpreted mode).
Hot take: A scripting language is a programming language whose execution starts from the beginning of the file | stream.
Write down any NaN advantages of JavaScript
I am forced to try to get a JS certification.
I am reaching the end of my rope, and starting to think of maybe putting my neck into one.
Isaac Newton said that we see far because we stand on the shoulders of giants.
Javascript is like standing on the shoulders of dwarves with brittle bone disease.
Standing on the shoulder of dwarves hiding deep underground
- It runs in the browser
- Web developers know it already so we might as well
It leads to typescript
You get surprises from npm
I spent way too long today figuring out why my app was doing something that it’s NOT supposed to do on weekends.
I read Luxon’s docs (pretty cool lib tbh) again and again, and tried everything I could think of to get isWeekend to return a sane result.
Turns out I was pulling a somewhat older version of Luxon, where isWeekend didn’t exist. In any sane language, I expect I’d get a huge warning about a property that doesn’t exist, but alas…
Typescript helps me keep my sanity, but juuuuust barely.
Weren’t you getting runtime errors for the function not being found?
No, they were probably getting false every time
Falsy* because it was undefined
However, their IDE should have highlighted it as an unknown property. Guess this guy is coding in notepad or vi.
Yep, thanks for correcting me. In fact, if they write something like
if (day.isWeekend) {...}The block will never be executed with the old version of library
Yeah that’s exactly what I think happened to him. He needs a better IDE and/or needs to stop copy/pasting code from stackoverflow or documentation that doesn’t match his library version.
My dude, you need to understand that all that anger and resentment, it is not you. It’s the years of JavaScript poisoning your mind.
In any case, that goes to my point. I would have to be saved by my IDE, when any sane language will blow up in your face as soon as you try to run it.
I don’t know how luxon works, but isWeekend could be a property instead of a function
It is. It also happens to be undefined, and checking that for truth is how I was bitten.
That’s fair. Typescript has to cook with the existing js ecosystem.
If isWeekend doesn’t exist, then the weekend doesn’t exist, so it’s naturally false.
That’s why JavaScript gets pushed so hard - it’s part of the capitalist agenda to keep us working 7 days a week
You get suprises from npm
