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If I could go back in time and either kill Hilter or convince Obama to lay off Trump at that White House Correspondents’ Dinner, the Jews would have lived 3 out of 4 times, but that 4th time, it would have been Rubio vs. Clinton (the butch one).
I’ve always wondered what the world would be like if Hitler died or didn’t come into power. A lot good things happened because of the horrible things that Hitler caused.
Yeah I’m one of those who wouldn’t go back in time and kill Hitler as I’m not entirely sure it would have led to a better outcome. For starters Hitler didn’t build the concept of fascism, he was just the first to take it to its end state. Kill Hitler and you could just end up with a situation where WW2 was a fight against Himmler.
lmao what???
Obama roasted Trump and some speculate that’s the only reason he ran.
Trump: Obama will go down in history as the worst president ever
Obama: Well at least I get to go down in history as a president
Certainly how the rich prefer to play their dick waving games
As a non American, I was pretty intrigued by the first Trump presidency. I’m actually kinda looking forward to Trump II: The Trumpening.
One man, one country, four indictments.
At the risk of worsening climate change? Because Trump and the GOP plan on undoing every commitment made by the Biden administration.
This is why humans will never solve big problems like climate change. We can’t see past our own nose and it’s fucking embarrassing.
ah yes …vanity fair…
Scared shitless? Ok then.
As should we all.
What scares me shitless is the idea that Trump is what the US is and what the US has earned. Who’s ready for that conversation?
Yep. He is who the U.S. has become. We are an embarrassment.
No, Trump is the hail mary of the US ruling class. They are scared that the people just start ignoring the government and take power, so they give them demagogues
100% this. Im German and I feel so strange that americans are choosing this guy for president. Not to be offensive, but damn.
Americans aren’t. A corrupt system is.
Fellow German and… yeah. People joke about the Hitler comparisons, but you won’t see us laughing. (I mean, in general, but that’s a different topic.)
Insert the Robin Williams joke here.
Same here. I think this is what happens when education is underfundet. I’m happy we’re back to G9 but we should definitely pay teachers more to counteract the lack of teachers and ensure every teacher has sufficient time to do their job well.
Otherwise people cannot be taught to think critical, question “why is he saying X?” instead of just weather it is true or not. Often understanding why somebody is saying sometimg at the time they do is much more important after all.
This idea that we are under funded is not true. Per Capita we spend more than every other country on education than any other OECD country besides Luxembourg.
We are number two world wide for funds to education per capita.
Our funding is just wasted and ineffective. We have a cultural problem with education. Not a funding problem.
That money goes to administrators instead of teachers.
Yes School boards and superintendents are extremely well funded. The fact that teachers have to struggle to scrape by while at the same time funding classroom supplies out of their own money just reeks of mis-allocated misspent funds. There’s always money for another Sports program. While science technology engineering and math extracurriculars in many districts don’t exist.
It’s a perfect mirror of our diseased American culture. Where wealth and wealth alone is Merit. And those who give the least (work) get the most.
You should be offensive, we deserve it.
We picked an absolute trash human as our leader, a sizeable portion of which chose him specifically because they wanted him to hurt people (see: “he’s not hurting the right people” woman.) That same group will often cite their desired outcome for any given thing is “to see liberals cry/get mad.”
Hillary Clinton made a mistake by saying it out loud, but she was 100% correct when she said a large portion of Trump supporters are “a basket of deplorables.” They absolutely are and are deserving of scorn.
I just hate how well propaganda works and how much money a random grifting asshole can make by parroting bullshit on YouTube, they boost each other and perpetuate this garbage era we’re going through…
As an American I feel that a majority of Americans loathe him. The issue lies in not all those people vote.
What scares me is that any Americans vote for him. How can you be so blinded and not see what a lying, cheating grifter that he is. The man is not intelligent, doesn’t read, is petty to a fault, vindictive, spiteful, narcissistic, nepotistic and just generally not a good person. Why would you choose that for a leader? It’s because you share those traits. That’s what scares me.
The issue lies in not all those people vote.
Partly. There’s also the issue with the electoral college, because that makes some votes worth more than others (depending on where you live).
That’s a huuuuuuuge issue.
Well the fact someone in Wyoming voting is worth 3.5 times someone voting in California is a huge problem I agree.
Because California is a beacon of sanity?
No, not at all. One person’s vote should not be worth more than another’s.
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No no you don’t understand, I mean, sure the media makes him seem like he has those traits, but he’s really a great guy! I mean I guess it’s been proven he has those traits but who doesn’t right? Isn’t everyone deep down homophobic and racist and misogynist themselves?
And really if you think about it, God can use anything he wants right? So why would he pick the Catholic guy out there trying to invest in America? He definitely wants the guy who most looks like my own deep down beliefs. So no matter what you say, your argument is invalid because God is on my side.
…/s in case that was needed.
Ok this made me chuckle.
The crazy part is they think Biden makes the US look bad. When you present evidence to the contrary they say, "who cares what other countries think. "
My aunt thinks Jill Biden is controlling the country from the shadows and wants to run in place of Joe in 2024. We are fucked
What does she think about Nancy running things for Ronnie once the Alzheimers got too bad?
That’s what I told my mother when she told me, but I doubt it’s gotten back to the source
I’d vote for Doc Biden, ngl
Yeah, I’d much rather vote for Jill than Joe.
Different strokes for different folks but I do dig her
I think it’s time to have your aunt committed
In fairness to your aunt, I have voted for Joe 3 times (2008, 2020, 2020), and even I think Joe is pretty close to weekend at Bernie’s. He really needs to step aside for Newsom.
I wanna know if we’re going to weekend at Bernie’s someone, why not Bernie? Why has he not been on the ballot yet?
We are fucked
more so because our only choice is between racist ultra-authoritarian con man and an opportunistic career politician that had always sided with racists and homophobes until it was politically popular.
I remember people saying most similar things of Hillary Clinton during Bill’s administration.
Well that’s just a stupid conspiracy theory. Well I guess they all are but this one seems particularly daft.
That was my first reaction, I didn’t even know how to respond to it because it’s patently absurd on its face. Really hoping it’s not some sort of viral right wing bullshit code that hasn’t cycled out into the mainstream yet
Please remember he never won the popular vote.
That too is scary. The guy didn’t win and still ran the country. WTF
republicans haven’t wont the popular vote in several decades and if you’re only now noticing; you need to (re-)evaluate your political leanings and learnings.
I mean… It’s not like I’m American or vote in America or live in America so I guess it’s not a priority to me to evaluate how these factor in my life.
I guess it’s America’s job to do it.
Jokes and you (and everyone else); Americans aren’t going to do that. Lol
They did in 2004.
That’s once since 1992, but in that time there have been 4 republican presidential wins. it’s definitely rigged.
The American political system is literally incomprehensible.
Everyone votes and then you find out who the winner is. And then, at some later point you find out who the president will be, and it’s not necessarily the same person for some reason.
And yet apparently democracy has happened so that’s all.
the american federal government is easy to understand: everything is weighed in favor of rural conservative racists because when we were first designing the thing they realized that they were in the minority but that we’d lose the revolution without them. President? Racists get more of a say due to the electoral college. Senate? Half a million conservatives in Wyoming get just as many votes as 40 million liberals in California. House? House reps are capped at 435 permanently so as areas become more populous they end up with less representation per person. SCotUS? Even when it’s running normally it’s biased because the biased president and biased Senate pick them, but since Obama now Democrats need the presidency and a majority coalition in the Senate in order to pick justices. That’s every branch of federal government, and recently they tried to make it even worse by making state legislatures (which always lean conservative because they gerrymander to hell and back) the sole authority on what constitutes a “fair” election. Given all the out and out treason that came from state legislatures after Trump got wrecked by Biden, I think we know what conservative state legislatures will do if they get to decide what constitutes “fair”.
Throw in a dash of first past the post, a pinch of gerrymandering, and baby we’ve got a minority government.
Right, but it was never about the popular vote. The popular vote doesn’t decide elections, never has.
I’m aware. I don’t approve. Know it won’t change.
^ Evergreen comment about life in America.
Yes, but by the same token, you can’t honestly say that America chose him to be president. We did not. Our broken electoral system did.
It’s not broken if it’s working as intended. The US is a constitutional Republic not a pure democracy. Pure democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what’s for dinner. You won’t always be the wolf, best keep that in mind.
Right except that the electoral system was not designed with that in mind. We have the transcripts of the discussion. It was to keep slavery legal. The method the POTUS was picked originally was to prevent the common person from deciding and instead award the most powerful job to whom the most powerful elites thought best could do it. Which wow even being nice to the argument is pretty bad.
Interesting, I’d like to read those transcripts if you have a source.
the thing about tyranny of the majority is that it can’t be replaced by tyranny of the minority. it’s absolutely working as our founders intended though: racist, conservative, and biased in favor of the wealthy.
The intent was to keep a populist tyrant like Trump out of office, so it most certainly is not working as intended.
Oh right I keep forgetting some people believe Trump is literally Hitler
That means sweet fuck all when he still gets the job.
There are a lot of germans voting for idiots which just repeat a few Trump topics a few months later. :(
I was visiting Germany in 2016 during the spring, before the election. Several Europeans, after hearing we were from the US, asked, “What the hell is going on in your country?”
Man, we had absolutely no idea what to expect…
They’re called representatives for a reason.
well yeah we have an attempted fascist overthrow of our government about once every 100 years or so because we like to stay just this side of fascism on a normal day
People should decide to vote for a party they agree with rather than the faux two-sided coin we deal with today. We are multi-party system yet everyone treats it as bipartisan.
The two parties WANT you to think you are “wasting your vote” by voting for something other than them. The fact that you CAN vote for another party disproves this. Vote for a party you actually believe in, and keep voting, spread the message and you will see change.
All it takes is one vote, and maybe you won’t be that vote, but you can tell someone else to do the same. Maybe they won’t be that vote, but the next person can be, or the next person. You see where I’m getting at?
That’s called a movement, and it starts with you.
US is two-party system. If you want to change it you need to get rid of FPTP first.
Why are people downvoting this?
Because voting for third parties never works and it often leads to some asshole like Trump being elected. Idealism does not win elections.
leads to some asshole like Trump being elected
Trump was part of the republican party
Also you see what you did there? You said the magic words “third party”
There IS no third party. Under this political system, all parties are supposed to be treated equally, instead we have a faux multi-party system that is actually bipartisan with the illusion of choice, considering that both parties are equally bad for the country.
It’s like choosing between eating shit and drinking piss. You really think Trump is worse than Joe Biden? They are both equally fucking trash. Trump is a fucking lunatic that can move his hands and make mouth noises, and Biden is a spineless, senile fucking narcissist that can barely walk.
One of the biggest moments that stuck out to me was the presidential debate between those two. Even a foreigner with no knowledge of US politics could point it out. Every four years we are faced with pretty much the same situation.
Your vote is not wasted by voting for another party, your vote is fucking wasted by throwing it away on one of those two parties. “oH, i MiGhT aS wElL vOtE fOr OnE oF tHe TwO bIg PaRtIeS bEcAuSe EvErYoNe ElSe WiLl So VoTiNg FoR sOmEoNe ElSe Is A wAsTe!!!”.
People say “oh it’s one vote, one vote doesn’t matter” PRECISELY, so why not fucking vote for a party that follows your ideals? If everyone did this instead of doing the hive mind brainwashed bullshit that they do instead, maybe we would actually see change. Instead, we will just watch our economy get worse, our climates become even more destroyed, poverty rates rise, non-straight-non-white people lose rights.
America, land of the free? Lol, yeah fucking right, give me a break. I’ve never heard a more laughable joke in my life, and people with your mindset contribute to that joke.
Sorry you refuse to live in reality.
refuse to live in reality
Lol.
Shut the fuck up, you have no idea what the actual political situation in the US is like, no one does.
“Live in reality” give me a break. What you see in the news isn’t reality, what do you think the whole Alien fiasco going on right now is possibly covering up? None of us are living in reality.
They call it the “American Dream” for a reason. Keep on dreaming sheep, they’ll be counting us like them when they have the rest of their fingers around our throats, so long as we keep voting for the tyrants in the bipartisan system.
I have the first hand experience that not voting for smaller parties is much worse. What ends up happening is people just don’t vote instead, or vote for who’s set to win (which would be Trump in this case).
In Türkiye, main opposition bullied everyone else like this (to a point where a candidate withdrew). I know a lot of people who got bullied in real life for not supporting the major candidate. What ended up happening is they didn’t vote or vote for Erdoğan out of spite.
Who do you think benefitted from this entire ordeal? Erdoğan. Trump will do the same and possibly gonna sweep the elections. Also he’s probably gonna call for more people to vote because the position he’s in can be capitalized upon as “Biden is trying to eliminate the main opposition” which actually will drive more people to vote. Erdoğan did the same exact thing as well.
Good luck.
Also its what got Wilson elected, y’know the guy who showed birth of a nation at the whitehouse.
You know exactly why, it’s because it is the truth and they didn’t want to hear it. This is why I try to stay out of political discussions because it always boils down to “yeah well I’m X team and the Y team is bad because X said so!”.
People say they want change yet here we are, restricting freedoms with each election, the only difference being the types of freedoms restricted change when the other party finally gets into office.
You can read the history books, these people are not your friends, all they care about is controlling the people, and they are so dick-brained that they can’t even agree amongst themselves how they should do it.
It’s not gonna happen in this timeline
What timeline you living in?
Biden doesn’t have a chance on reelection. The guy needs to retire and the left knows it. Biden makes Carter look competent.
And who else has a better shot of beating Trump? If you reused the 2020 primary list, would any of them fare better? No.
Biden sucks but he’s the best they have still.
Kennedy, bringing a centrist Democrat will decimate the the right. I’m a Republican and I will vote for Kennedy if he gets the D nod. We all know he won’t but thats the current state of affairs.
We need to get back to sanity, we need centrists. We need unity and a candidate like Kennedy will get us back on track.
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I type faster than I think and left out a few bits.
The only one charismatic enough would be B. Sander. Kennedy’s an idiot, sorry to say
I’m still of the opinion that Bernie would’ve beat Trump in 2016.
I mean this is pure anecdotal evidence but since I’m on the other side of the Atlantic I don’t know what reality is like. However I read a lot of opinions that were positive towards Bernie, he has quite powerful arguments and is focused on the good things. Felt like real grassroots.
Then again, I’m not sure it’s possible. Wall Street literally conspired to coup the gubernment when they didn’t get what they want. Who killed Kennedy?
If Bernie was an option, I’m certain he would’ve won. Still, you’re not wrong about people in power not being huge fans of the guy.
You will never get that commie elected and that why the DNC dumps him every time. But he doesn’t have the sand to go Ross and run 3rd party because he knows he will be on the outs w/ the DNC
Do please define “commie” and explain how Bernie Sanders fits that mold.
He’s the only one that I’ve heard people actually support, not being a wall street henchman. Remember the literal train wreck where they “had to” poison the whole area by burning toxic substances? Remember how the corporations lied to everyone about it?
But surely this was a one off and not the status quo
How many houses does he own? Champion of the people he is not. He’s just as corrupt and thats why he steps aside when he gets passed over. He is a wimp. If that guy had a set he would have run in 2016 as an independent, but nope he towed the DNC line. BS is BS
Did he steal the houses? He worked tirelessly for, I don’t know how long, with a voting history favouring workers’ rights. We don’t know what backroom deals are made, but I’m sure Wall Street would hate it if their puppets lost
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You vote for the Siberian candidate then. RFK is a Wagner shit weasel.
You may want to talk to someone… IDK what a siberian candidate is or how wagner equates to RFK. I would like to hear more about this as I am generally mystified on this.
Fortunately, Google can answer all of these questions for you.
Sorry, but, the Democratic Party are not supporting a conspiracy theorist. As a progressive one, it is just not gonna happen. I vote progressive on the downballot and pick the most reasonable choice on the primary, and this year, that would be Biden. You’re free to write him in though.
Kennedy the antivaxxer and antisemitic conspiracy theorist? He’s not a centrist and he has no political experience. He would lose most Democratic votes and gain a sliver of votes from Republicans.
Enough trolling. You’re not serious if you think RFK Jr is a centrist.
Antisemitic? Antivax? How but maybe the is guy asks the questions we need answered?
No, YOU need to find a library and read up on why vaccines are proven not to cause autism and why RFK is grifting you for money. Once you get past that then we can talk about centrism in America.
When did I say vaccines cause autism? He hasn’t got a nickle from me I just agree with his stance on many topics? He is far more center than any other candidate from the left or the right.
But I’ll get on that library membership ASAP, thankfully its not two blocks from me.
Yes, we definitely “need” the question of “did the Chinese create COVID as a bioweapon but spared their Jewish allies” answered. That needs a deep investigation for sure because it’s just so plausible.
do you really want to see the poll numbers for a harris (the incumbent vp) vs trump matchup? that is, if harris could even make it through the democratic primaries?
Harris would never make it, that idiot giggle turns off everyone. Also is she Black or Indian? Seems to change with the breeze, and dumb as a box of hammers.
RFK is the only hope for the DNC.
And I don’t think he would make it, I’m guessing Republicans will win. “Bidennomics” is enough to sink the DNC’s chances.
She can be both you know… please tell me you aren’t this stupid.
Also is she Black or Indian? Seems to change with the breeze
Do you also say that about whether Obama is white or black or does this only apply to mixed-race people whose parents are both brown?
Lmao imagine thinking RFK is going anywhere but to YouTube and substack after his “campaign”
Dude is a grifter here to grift you
The guy needs to retire and the left knows it.
Unlike Trump, who is- checks notes- three years younger than Biden.
And uhm -checks notes- is an alledged criminal
Just because Trump’s almost as old doesn’t mean the left has to pick a fossil to run alongside him. Why give the GOP a handicap when we know the alternative is the death of democracy in America?
Carter? Why mention Carter? Not Nixon? Not Harding? Why not Trump? Bush? Fucking Taft? What’s the reason for the Carter comparison? I don’t know what you’re on about.
Because warmongering republicans love to say Carter was terrible when actually he was at worst run of the mill. But since Reagan followed him they have a rage boner against him. Literally one of the greatest humans with all the work he’s done with his charitable organizations.
He was the first neoliberal president.
We neolibs happily claim Carter and history will be very kind to him
Biden is starting to make Palin look competent
He’d have to trip over a couple thousand more sand bags to reach the level Palin’s stupidity
“God save the Queen”
Right? I’m a Republican and that train wreck still haunts me… I can see russia from my porch. Like hillary landing under sniper fire, how do these people not see how dumb they are acting?
It’s almost like every election, looking back, the republicans are embarrassed about their choice. Funny how that works out. But THIS TIME, this time the candidate is a god. Can’t possibly be the same situation, where you’ll support anyone with an R, and then in 10 years tell everyone you never supported them, or are embarrassed by them.
Who’s God? First of you can’t identify God. God is everything, under a rock I find God. We are dealing with something bigger than us.
DNC has shit candidates, its gonna end badly.
Yeah. I wonder which candidate has supporters who hold him up as a god. It’s such a mystery.
They forget Biden had to drop out of a prior Presidential campaign because the truth about his outright lies came to the surface.
Plagiarizer, calling the inter city a “jungle” he doesnt want his kids in. How thid guy got elected after how many failed attempts tell me the US has gotten really dumb. Most voted for, my ass.
https://american-herald.com/2020/07/13/bidens-troubling-history-of-plagiarism/
Nearly dead last in law school, this guy is a train wreck
They’ll vote for anything with that D next to their name. BlueMAGA are as cultish as MAGA
Thats what I can’t understand, I have crossed the line and have voted blue. But they seem to be incapable of voting for the best interests. Its a cult I agree.
And our best interests are either the guy who believes COVID is a bioweapon that spares Jews or the guy who believes the leader of North Korea has the right idea?
These are two separate things.
Yes, I agree that he should retire and pass the torch to whoever wins an open primary without interference by the DNC.
But that doesn’t mean he can’t win.
I’d vote for a cat with mange and one eye who lives in an IHOP dumpster over a Nazi sympathizer.
I would certainly prefer nearly anyone reasonable over that cat.
But I’ll be damned if I’m going to not vote against the collapse of American democracy, irrespective of how enthused or not I am about who that vote is ultimately for.
Though really, it’s the two party system that needs retirement.
I probably agree with ~80% of the US electorate on the issues that are actually most important to me. Which means we should have one party that represents that vast majority with aggressive open ranked choice primaries to see who controls it, with fringe groups like outspoken communists or fascists needing to run severely minority candidates rather than kidnapping half the nation by getting lucky during a fragmented closed primary process with a dozen candidates for only half the nation.
Nazi Germany could have been defeated with ranked choice voting well before WWII.
American democracy must be preserved or the world is fucked, but it should also probably get a bit of an update with the best features developed and vetted in democracies since 1776.
First of thank you for a well thought out rebuttle, I’m going to need a bit to support and counter some of your points. I didnt want to not reply and think I was just trolling/ghosting.
Refusing to allow their candidate be primaried, refusing debates, suing to keep other partys off the ballot doesn’t sound that democratic. If democrats were truly concerned about keeping republicans out of office they need to make the moral choice and vote 3rd party. Because we will not support your neoliberal, corporate owned, warhawk. Doesnt matter if its red or blue in office, the working class and poor continue to get fucked over by them. And being told they are doing well, despite the evidence they are not, is not that convincing.
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Dems try and vote shame 3rd party voters to vote for your shitty politicians because you are so concerned about keeping Republicans out of office. If that were the case you could find the balls to break away from the duopoly and vote for people that might actually represent the working class instead of bankers. But they won’t because it would disrupt the destructive status quo that they are comfortable with.
If democrats were truly concerned about keeping republicans out of office they need to make the moral choice and vote 3rd party.
Um… that would put Trump in office. I have no idea what sort of “logic” you used to come up with that one.
We are not voting for your shitty candidates, so if you were truly concerned about keeping Republicans out you would fall in line and vote 3rd party. The status quo you protect only helps the bankers and corporations that run our government and ficks over the working class and poor.
How does voting third party keep Republicans out?
It doesn’t… but watch for the active accounts that push apathy leading into the next election. It’s going to be a common pattern.
Keeps Democrats and Republicans out, both are inefficient running a government that represents the working class
Good luck with that.
Oh damn, you’re right. The Dem doesn’t pass a 1000% purity test. Guess I’ll just stay home and let others decide my fate.
Its not a purity test, its holding them accountable. Something voters are incapable of doing.
You’re right about us being incapable but for the wrong reason. We’re incapable of holding politicians accountable with our votes because of jerry mandering and an extremely broken two party system. If we had more options, that were actually options, we could vote better. But right now, we’re forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. And the right is trying really hard to make this super obvious if you’re even paying a modicum of attention. They are mustache twirling evil and super up front about it these days.
If the millions of Dem voters refused to support the DNC and voted 3rd party it would break the 2 party system. One election is all it would take. Why choose a lesser evil, which doesn’t exist, when you could vote for no evil.
It’s voters that keep the oppressive 2 party system alive.
“The left”. Who dat?
At least biden isn’t gonna brag about beating a cognition test.
Camera, chair , woman. See totally sane. He even drew a clock and identified a giraffe!
He bragged about being top of his class in law school, a lie. He bragged about being involved in the civil rights movements, also a lie. He plagiarized someone elses speeches. This list is endless
I mean yes, let’s all come together and shit on the one president that has accomplished more than the last 5 combined because he’s old and he fell that one time riding a bike.
This president was the most conservative in his primary.
MaryAnn Williamson
“shit on the one president that has accomplished more than the last 5 combined”
Are you daft? You can’t be serious, I mean come on man?
Malarkey detected.
I’m more surprised that he’s allowed to try for another term.
I hope he can shit again
I bet GWBush is scarred of it too. Even if he is a republican.
I couldn’t care less about what Obama thinks when he squandered all that hopeful energy in 2008.
Yes
we canyou could have!
Does Barack Obama give a shit about anything?
He can’t anymore, he’s shitless.
We all should be. But that won’t happen if people go out there and vote, godamnit.
And don’t just vote to keep Trump out.
Vote to keep him and his party out of office.
We don’t get a vote of no confidence. There’s no box to check that says “No Trump”.
Also, Hillary got more votes than Trump did, so simply having more voters on your side doesn’t necessarily mean that Trump will lose.
So … don’t vote? There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it’s voting for Biden. There are several Yes Trump voting options: vote for Trump specifically, vote for a third party candidate, or vote for no one. It’s not that complicated.
Do the electoral map and electoral college make this difficult to achieve? Of course. But we can only win if we vote, and are guaranteed to lose if we don’t.
The fascists love voter apathy. Don’t do their job for them.
I never said “Don’t vote”. However, I do think that we should be able to vote “no confidence”, and if “no confidence” wins, they should have to do a while new election with new candidates.
I vote for candidates who offer me something more than “I’m not a fascist”.
There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it’s voting for Biden.
Voting for Biden is… voting for Biden. It sounds like you don’t want to improve anything, you just want to avoid it getting worse. Or, at least, have it get worse slower.
“Not a fascist” is only a sufficient condition in this case because the other guy is a fascist. I agree that in a world which wasn’t fucking insane, both candidates would qualify as “not a fascist” and it would be immaterial.
But under these circumstances - yes. Voting “Not a fascist” is literally an imperative, if imperatives can possibly exist at all in our ethical landscape.
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Well the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a “no confidence” vote. And if you don’t want Trump in office in 2024 the best thing you can do to prevent that is vote Biden. I’m not a huge Biden fan either but that’s how our system is in this country so it is what it is.
counterpoint: avoiding or slowing the rate at which things get worse is a good thing, and there is no other option outside your imagination
I get that you want another choice but this is the system we have to work within. If you really want it to be different, I recommend getting personally involved in politics.
True, but remember “did not vote” was higher then either Hillary or Trump first time around.
I was apathetic in 2016, I didn’t care enough to vote for her, or know enough to vote against Trump.
I voted against Trump on 2020, and now I’ve seen enough I will vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he is the nominee. Otherwise, it’s another vote against Trump.
My point is, there was a real disconnect back in 2016, and a lot of people just couldn’t be bothered.
Trumps base has only gotten smaller, but the people who know and want to keep him out has grown. I suspect we will see both significant turn out, and significant voter suppression in 2024.
…didn’t Trump get more votes in 2020 than in 2016? Has his base really gotten smaller?
Smaller as a percentage of the active electorate. Biden also got more votes than any other candidate before him… but that’s not unexpected with a positive population growth.
God, I hope so hard that turnout will be good. I just worry that the more time that passes, the more “most” people will become complacent and forget. I’d certainly like to imagine that between Jan 6 and how extremely climate change has affected people the last couple of years, people are finally figuring out that they can’t just twiddle their thumbs and wait for things to blow over. Unfortunately, though, that’s something that will be shown with election results.
What is Biden planning to do about the environment?
Believing that we need to switch courses is a good first step. The other thing is that the policies he managed to get passed are moving geothermal in the right direction. I heard for the first time about ground source heat pumps because of his incentives for their installation.
There’s also funding for public transit, charging infrastructure for EVs, sunsetting incandescents, etc. It’s not perfect but it’s better than some asshole up there saying how the whole thing is a Chinese hoax and chanting drill baby drill.
