Linux users trying to do anything
*windows users trying to navigate in three different styled setting layouts
At least they’re all in regular GUIs instead of 1 GUI, 1 command prompt, and random configuration files hidden somewhere.
On windows its in a GUI but the GUI is from 1998 and when you try to open it settings pops up
dog war flashback meme
It didn’t affect me, due to using startallback. It replaces start menu, taskbar and explorer. So my start menu is Win7 and my task and explorer are Win10.
It used to have a 100 day all access free trial and was 5 bucks, but I haven’t checked lately. I gotta keep a Windows machine around for art. My Gaomon tablet was able to use wacom drivers on Linux with some terminal tinkering, but it couldn’t map the scroll wheel by design, which was a deal breaker.
WinXP and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Win7 were decent tho Edit : said by someone that daily drives linux for like at least the last 4 years, 2 of which with tiling WMs
We need to make more memes like this. Now we are considered crazy using Linux. They need to be repaid for it 🥰
The Linux infiltration of PC gaming communities has been one of the most successful covert operations in the history of espionage. So successful that the agents don’t even need to hide their identities.
They came for the gamers-….
Sorry, joke just flew over my head
Wait a bit Ubuntu is next. They already added terminal ads, embedded affiliate links for amazon, and sold user data to amazon.
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For now…
Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
You’ve read it here, folks. Microsoft just needs to promote Xbox deals and such, then it’s not an ad space sold to third parties. (Either that or you’re holding Canonical to a different standard than Microsoft.)
It would be more like MS selling extended support, which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really. A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Yeah, I don’t get extreme criticism against any monetization. Isn’t Ubuntu Pro basically paid version of ubuntu?
which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
The Ubuntu paid ad doesn’t show just in the updater either. Seems like double standard allowing Canonical advertising their paid product every time the terminal is opened and Microsoft would be only fine to be allowed to advertise paid updates in the updater.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really.
I’m a packager of a small but public repository. Over the years some of the packages were actually picked up by the upstream distribution (minor stuff to scratch my own itch, nothing noteworthy, IMO, but still). I was never offered a few cents of whatever donations came in. Such money goes to the distribution leaders, not the actual community and even less so to the actual upstream software developers. If anything, the upstream software developers should get the money, not a downstream distribution where most of the work is automated anyway and yet replacing bookmarks in the default browser to customized ones for the distribution is common practice. Back when people still bought MP3 music, Canonical replaced the affiliate IDs for MP3 music stores to funnel money off upstream developers into their own pockets.
A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Windows 10 started out as a free upgrade to Win7 and Win8 users (at least the Home variant, not sure about Pro and higher). Since then Win11 has also been a free upgrade. Do we live in a world where Windows developers need to make money from their product then?
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you. You don’t need to extend your values to corporate.
Money still runs the world. Windows or FOSS devs. I wish things were different, but you are wasting your political support on something that is not a big deal.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad and not comparable to candy crush. Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope (which is a target for enterprise anyway). To be clear there are better things to criticize about Canonical.
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you.
I do have a regular job. I’m doing fine. I don’t want or need money donated to Linux distributions. Updating a few packages is hardly any work at all because the majority of tasks is automated (as I said: my repo is small and for my own use. I don’t advertise its existence but I also don’t hide it either). Actually developing software is. I don’t want distributors nagging users for money to then put in their pockets. Distributors can promote pledge drives to fund hosting on their website.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad
Yes, it is.
Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope
Cool, so Microsoft’s “Back up to OneDrive” once per month and “Get more OneDrive storage” don’t count then…
Look my you ran an update and the update program is letting you know how you can get extended support if you needed. It is with in the scope of the activity in a way that Candy Crush and One Drive are not. If Kden live was more explicit about being part of the KDE universe I don’t think there is harm to that either. Ubuntu pro is not malicious or vendor locking (in its current state). What is the big deal that you spend so much energy here? Letting people know how to get 12 years of support instead of just the standard 5? There is a cost to doing that and ensuring quality. The discussion on the distribution paying upstream is important, but kind of a separate matter (and yes they could be doing more).
This is supposed to be for a company that has multiple machines and needs security back ported. Any regular desktop user can just opt out. Real question, what changes do you want to see to make things better? Like we do need to improve communication on how to support FOSS in general. I am not a particularly good programmer, so don’t commit bug fixes. I live in the shit hole US South and 50% below median for the state, so my money contributions are never that high. If we are allergic to Ubuntu Pro or
x packages are looking for funding.innpm, how do we really address anything? I get that ads are very invasive, but i think you are picking the least impressive hill to die on here.
And for most people, Ubuntu Pro is free in practice (since most folks are unlikely to have more than 5 machines that need the features Pro provides).
The Amazon story is really old and Ubuntu did hear the critical voices and reverted the change. The terminal ads can be annoying on servers but you can turn them off.
https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Disable_dynamic_motd_and_motd_news_spam_on_Ubuntu_18.04.html
If you want to throw dirt on Ubuntu, let’s talk about Snaps and the messy Snap Store and how the current Ubuntu site looks like (not desktop user friendly really), and what they did to LXD
but you can turn them off.
Isn’t that line of thinking the same as this post is making fun of?
If being able to turn off ads make them ok then i guess we can’t complain about windows ads yet either.
what they did to LXD
I still don’t understand what LXD does that LXC doesn’t do. LXC is significantly more popular. All the major control panels (like Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtualizor, etc) support OpenVZ or LXC but not LXD.
Okay.I’m not going to argue about this but here’s a description : https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/lxd
I’m not trying to argue? I legitimately don’t know what advantages LXD has since I don’t see it used widely in the industry, whereas LXC is everywhere.
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LXD also has some cool features like launching VMs in a way that’s nearly indistinguishable from containers, which can be useful if you need to do something like run a distro that uses cgroups v1 (e.g. CentOS 7) on a more modern distro.
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Not to mention all the bugs in a so called LTS. They really should delay a release if it isn’t stable
They delayed the beta, is the full release having issues?
Using Ubuntu is a mistake to begin with.
Wait that was real? I thought that was a joke someone made cuz I believe I saw an image of it on one of the meme communities.
Ah yes. MicroCanonicalSoft. Ubuntu used to be great. But they are working hard to ruin it.
I am currently looking for an alternative that has a similar allround-ish support for hardware. Ubuntu supports my Macbook and my Acer Tablet out of the box while others do not competely do so. I could write a whole rant about the tablet with 64-bit processor but 32-bit eufi bios and intel processor that kinda obscures access to the audio and wifi devices unless you use a specific driver.
I’d prefer something debian based but I can’t stand flicking in video playback or scrolling through a webpage. Which is why I like Wayland at the moment, since it fixes those things.
It was ok at best. I first tried Linux around the time opensuse was released, and even then the only reason it was more popular was due to coming out a bit earlier and sending live CDs. Then Suse fucked the Linux community alongside MS for like a decade, and now it’s canonical’s turn to help out.
I could write a whole rant about the tablet with 64-bit processor but 32-bit eufi bios
If you have <4gb RAM, just use a x86 version of the distro. AFAIK it essentially has no downsides, and possibly requires less resources.
I’d prefer something debian based but I can’t stand flicking in video playback or scrolling through a webpage. Which is why I like Wayland at the moment, since it fixes those things.
So why not use Wayland on Debian?
Now that I think about it, the decline of ubuntu began when they inserted amazon affiliate links in their ui a long time ago. The final straw for me is forcing snaps when attempting to install some apps via apt. I replaced all my ubuntu machines with debian without any issue.
Latest Debian has all the ease and little of the worry.
Oh i know, I’m running MX
Just don’t use Ubuntu then.
i thought we were just shitposting about this one
This is such horseshit. The drama of the Linux community never ceases to amaze me.
Ads on windows? Where?
More like where are they not
I literally don’t have any. I disabled the recommended section in the start menu and as far as I know they don’t appear anywhere else.
One drive, edge, one drive some more, copilot and then office365 for good measure
I use OneDrive every day, there’s no ads. And nobody uses Edge anyways…
Windows 11 introduced start menu ads recently in update KB5036980, thankfully they can disabled, but I’m not 100% sure it will stay that way
relevant article from The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/24/24138949/microsoft-windows-11-start-menu-ads-recommendations-setting-disable
Right, ever since the release of Windows 11 I’m using Explorer Patcher to hide that annoying recommended section, and to restore the windows 10 explorer.
That’s a smart solution, I’ll have to look into trying it on my work PC (where they force me to use windows 11), thank you for the recommend!
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still less hassle then using linux like dont get me wrong if all u wanna do is internet browsing or maybe do some office work sure its fine but for any else its a huge pain in the ass if its even possible.
Yeah linux sucks unless you want to browse the internet, do office work, or play games.
Anything else is basically impossible.
did you forget programming? its a breeze with linux
i wouldn’t put play games on that list by any stretch.
literally my whole steam library with 80 something games works with linux. just saying. and they are not some linux specific games either. fallout 4, mafias, baldurs gate 3, the forest, rdr 2, gta v etc.
your opinion is from 5 years ago. when have you last even tried to game on linux? and what are you even doing in linuxmemes with these comments? :D kernel level anti cheat is a different thing though
just go check protondb if you need some proof it has all the games on steam listed with info how well they work
last time i tried was when microsoft announced windows 10 would stop getting updates, because windows 11 looks dreadful and i wanted to know how viable linux was. answer not at all atleast for me.
lmao. the fact that kernel-level anti cheat multiplayers don’t work don’t work on linux don’t mean you can’t game on linux or that it is bad experience. a lot of people don’t play those and they are mostly put on competitive game. steam has literslly brought thousands of games to linux in just a few years
out of 1000 top games on steam 77% has either platinum or gold rating in terms of woking. I’m sorry linux isn’t viable for gaming?
and we literally have linux gaming handheld, steam deck. which has over 4000 games with steam verified status and something like 14000 gold or platinum status games
edit: sorry didn’t notice the “at least for me” part which makes your comment valid if you happen to play those kernel anticheat games
The last time I ran Linux on my main gaming rig I had a couple of key problems that largely made me call it quits:
- Games with gold and platinum ratings on WineDB (this was about the time Proton was newly released) would require far too much fiddling to get working if I could get them working at all.
- A couple of fairly uncommon games I played a lot at the time had weird issues with user-generated content related to filesystem and library case-sensitivity differences.
- Game crashes from content conflicts more often than not created system crashes, which both obscured crash dialogues which would normally point me to the content to explore why it was crashing, and extended the amount of time needed to troubleshoot an install and get it working
I’ll probably try it again at some point in the next handful of years, especially since the Linux desktop has come so far in the 3 years or so since I last tried it out. I already run Linux on about half of the systems I use regularly, so its not like I’m completely out of the game.
yeah I definetly know what you mean. with wine it definetly was pain in the ass to make the configuration by yourself to every game. luckily we now have proton doing excellent work for that. and if it’s not a steam game we have lutris doing excellent work for that with their install scripts.
we even have glorius eggroll releasing wine-ge and proton-ge where they apply plenty of game specific patches
in steam I feel like maybe 2 out of 10 gold rated games have some little issues, and even then I just have to copy paste launch comand from proton db, no need to fiddle around too much
not only was i talking about my use case and experiences, lets be very clear “gold” rating is unacceptable and the fact that “it works when u fuck around with it a bit” is the gold standard for linux gaming and the state of half the games is already terrible. the fact that when i say doing anything in linux besides absolute basic tasks is a pain in the ass yalls response is u that u can make it work which is bizzare making it work IS a pain in the ass.
in my experience gold games work almost alwaus just fine. I don’t expect platinum rating on a lot of games since a lot of modern games are just as unstable on windows as they are on linux. In my opinion the meaning of gold rating has changed a lot. 2010s with wine gold used to have quite a lot of tinkering but with proton nowadays it’s usually either just fine or solved with 1 or 2 launch commands copy pasted from protondb. some games have even slightly better performance on linux with the right hardware.
sorry for starting the whole argument but I also don’t know what kind of answers you expected when you came to linux community trash talking linux with things that a lot of linux users don’t agree with. your use cases happens to be one of the worst though on linux.
but the fact that you cant use professional cad software and play games that are specifically made impossible to play on linux don’t mean that you can’t do anything but use office and browser and I still do think that statement is stupid as hell.
but sorry again for getting so heated, I’m going to stop arguing now since neither of us are going to change their minds and this contributes absolutely nothing
Basically every steam game just works, most other stuff just works with lutris, all retroarch emulators I’ve tried just work, there are obviously oodles of native linux games particularly Indies. Nvidia drivers mostly just work if you install proprietary (blurgh).
What doesn’t work?
plenty of multiplayer games dont work because their anti cheat disallows it including literally the only multiplayer game i play regularly. also tons of older games dont work.
Which ones don’t? I don’t play many MP games but non of the ones I have played have issues. Easy anticheat works for example, and you can run it in ring 3 and lie which is nice.
https://areweanticheatyet.com/
its not about if anticheat works or not some developers just adverbially decided to disable the ability to play on linux, it sucks but it just is what it is.
Weird, I suppose you could also VM it but it tends to have a performance hit without optimised hardware. I wonder how they check the environment it runs in and if you can just lie to the checks.
How exactly? When using Linux, I get similar problems to those I get in Windows but in contrast to Windows, I’m able to find a solution and solve them.
in that there is no linux versions of tons of software i use and cant just decide to stop using and trying to get the windows versions working on linux is a pain in the ass and half the time it doesnt work.
it’s all about learning a new workflow. having to go to a website amd downloading exe and going trough an installation wizard from the most basic things like programming language compiler or a web browser seems so backwards for me now after using only linux for 3 years
what are u even talking about getting used to linux wont suddenly make autodesk and a million other software vendors start making linux versions of their software, nor will it make game publishers make linux versions of their games much less stop them from being assholes about drm and anticheat.
just addressing your “paim in the ass” statement. it is true what you’re saying about propiertary software that is not available to linux but there are linux alternatives. which like I said, is the matter of a new workflow. work enviroment is a different though if they require certain software to be used. what comes to gaming, huge steps are made towards gaming on linux and most games work just fine with proton. games with heavy kernel level anticheats are a different thing though.
edit: and everything except browsing internet and office work is a big fucking strech
there are no linux alternatives for some stuff i use, i would need to use wine or emulate and whether it works properly if at all its basically random. and sure gaming on linux is the best it has ever been but considering the starting point that says basically nothing its passable at best, and sure u could just decide not play certain games but like u could also just use windows and play what u want.
also sure internet browsing and spreadsheets or writing stuff, just basic office work is the entire use case for a lot of people which is why i clarified that its fine for that but thats just not the use case for me.
I would like to know what software are you using that don’t have linux alternatives.
and you’re still downplaying linux a lot. programmin is huge thing on linux and propably most people use it for that. there are a lot of digital art software which is made for linux. you can do cad work with freecad, altough it has quite different workflow than a lot of other cad software
just autodesks suit of cad programs. and free cad is not an acceptable replacement at all much less the free versions of autocad and revit, not only are alternative versions less powerful, most of them fuck up when exporting in the file formats for the programs most people use which creates problems for them which is just not acceptable.
then theres stuff i need for school like lockdown browser and multisim are the main ones multisim has a web version but its borderline useless. plus a bunch of other weird ancient software ill used for like one semester cuz the professor was feeling it and its very hit an miss whether those have a native linux version or not.
look im sure u could make it work but thats my point in windows everything just works, u could fuck around with these programs and get some of them working and get adequate replacements for other and dualboot for fucking lockdown browser, but thats my point exacly its more of a pain in the ass to make this shit work and make everything else in the future work than just fucking around with windows once to turn of all the anti pravacy shit, u know which is what i said in my comment the original one, which yall are ignoring because ur brain is so linux poisoned that when someone says doing x in linux is annoying ur response is “u can make it work tho so its fine and ur wrong and doing x is overated anyways why don u do y instead”
my point was still originally that in most cases it’s just change of a workflow. even if something needs a tinkering at first time after thst you know how to do it and it’s not a chore anymore. I would definetly feel thst even if in windows thinf just work it would be pain in the ass for me to do the stuff in windows way because I’m used to linux way.
but also I have very different use cases than you, since I’m a programmer that does 3D modeling as a hobby on blender, and I don’t play competitive games. so for me the linux is “everything just works” os, since if I had any problems at start when I didn’t known how to do something, that’s not most certainly the case anymore
You’re in the wrong neighborhood, pal.
Run W10Privacy and use NextDNS. Oh, and create a local user account.
And in Linux, you install the system, create an account… and that’s it
Unless it’s Ubuntu
Five Win 11 computers no ads, never had to do anything special except pretending I’m from Europe.
If Linux users consider that hard then they truly aren’t that great with computers…
“To make my computer do as I wish I simply need to lie about my country of residence. I am very technically adept.”
TBF I do find that confusing. I’m used to human-readable conf files that persist across updates. But I can see how non-technical users might think understanding a collection of tricks is knowledge of their OS.
I’m just saying that people saying it’s hard to dodge ads on W11 don’t realize how easy it is to do it…
And we’re saying “You shouldn’t fucking have to.”
Man, securing the privacy of a Windows PC can really wear you down. Remember all those times I spent tweaking the Group Policy Settings? Turning off each and every one of them was a chore, but the real kicker was having to do it all over again after every update.
And don’t even get me started on that
spyware.exein the task manager. It seemed like it was everywhere, hiding in plain sight and multiplying with each passing day. Finding and closing all those instances was a real headache.But the icing on the cake was the constant need to check the privacy settings after every update. I couldn’t afford to take my eyes off the ball, and the fear of something breaking or getting compromised was always present.
The whole experience left me feeling drained and frustrated. I mean, who needs that kind of stress in their life? That’s why I made the switch to Linux – it was a welcome relief and a breath of fresh air.
Are you me? This is exactly why I switched to Linux recently. Got tired of protecting myself from my ‘vendor’.
Not really a solution but couldn’t you have come up with a script to run after each update?
linuxmemes
Windows meme
Checks out.
Shitting on windows is the most Linux thing you can do
Theo de Raadt of OpenBSD once said: “Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix.”
It is such a beautiful system too. I would love to use it more, but nix and NixOS have kind of ruined every other operating system for me…
Guix.
And we don’t even need to, because windows users already complain about windows all the time.
I could take it or leave it. I just feel bad for my family and friends when they have issues…
I feel bad for myself when they bring their problems to me.
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When it’s family or a close friend it’s worth it.
…mostly
Should I feel sorry for Reddit Windows (That OS from Redd…mond, WA,USA) users ? Dunno.
I just use ameliorated windows 10, never been bothered by anything else.
What’s that?
3rd party modifications to windows iso that basically amounts to trusting an internet stranger.
You are talking about the old Ameliorated, the new one doesn’t modify an iso instead its a tool that modifies an already installed windows instance.
Also kinda weird to word it like that since with any open source tool we are trusting internet strangers
My bad. Sorry.
Its an open source tool for modifying existing windows installation preferably start with a fresh one. It does quite a lot with removing anything spyware related. Removing a bunch of features that really no one uses in order to mitigate the attack surface from vulnerabilities.
Do watch out if you use UWP it will remove those too, including Edge.
