Five Win 11 computers no ads, never had to do anything special except pretending I’m from Europe.
If Linux users consider that hard then they truly aren’t that great with computers…
“To make my computer do as I wish I simply need to lie about my country of residence. I am very technically adept.”
TBF I do find that confusing. I’m used to human-readable conf files that persist across updates. But I can see how non-technical users might think understanding a collection of tricks is knowledge of their OS.
I’m just saying that people saying it’s hard to dodge ads on W11 don’t realize how easy it is to do it…
And we’re saying “You shouldn’t fucking have to.”
Man, securing the privacy of a Windows PC can really wear you down. Remember all those times I spent tweaking the Group Policy Settings? Turning off each and every one of them was a chore, but the real kicker was having to do it all over again after every update.
And don’t even get me started on that
spyware.exein the task manager. It seemed like it was everywhere, hiding in plain sight and multiplying with each passing day. Finding and closing all those instances was a real headache.But the icing on the cake was the constant need to check the privacy settings after every update. I couldn’t afford to take my eyes off the ball, and the fear of something breaking or getting compromised was always present.
The whole experience left me feeling drained and frustrated. I mean, who needs that kind of stress in their life? That’s why I made the switch to Linux – it was a welcome relief and a breath of fresh air.
Not really a solution but couldn’t you have come up with a script to run after each update?
Are you me? This is exactly why I switched to Linux recently. Got tired of protecting myself from my ‘vendor’.
Ads on windows? Where?
More like where are they not
I literally don’t have any. I disabled the recommended section in the start menu and as far as I know they don’t appear anywhere else.
One drive, edge, one drive some more, copilot and then office365 for good measure
I use OneDrive every day, there’s no ads. And nobody uses Edge anyways…
Windows 11 introduced start menu ads recently in update KB5036980, thankfully they can disabled, but I’m not 100% sure it will stay that way
relevant article from The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/24/24138949/microsoft-windows-11-start-menu-ads-recommendations-setting-disable
Right, ever since the release of Windows 11 I’m using Explorer Patcher to hide that annoying recommended section, and to restore the windows 10 explorer.
That’s a smart solution, I’ll have to look into trying it on my work PC (where they force me to use windows 11), thank you for the recommend!
Wait a bit Ubuntu is next. They already added terminal ads, embedded affiliate links for amazon, and sold user data to amazon.
The Amazon story is really old and Ubuntu did hear the critical voices and reverted the change. The terminal ads can be annoying on servers but you can turn them off.
https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Disable_dynamic_motd_and_motd_news_spam_on_Ubuntu_18.04.html
If you want to throw dirt on Ubuntu, let’s talk about Snaps and the messy Snap Store and how the current Ubuntu site looks like (not desktop user friendly really), and what they did to LXD
Not to mention all the bugs in a so called LTS. They really should delay a release if it isn’t stable
They delayed the beta, is the full release having issues?
If being able to turn off ads make them ok then i guess we can’t complain about windows ads yet either.
but you can turn them off.
Isn’t that line of thinking the same as this post is making fun of?
what they did to LXD
I still don’t understand what LXD does that LXC doesn’t do. LXC is significantly more popular. All the major control panels (like Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtualizor, etc) support OpenVZ or LXC but not LXD.
Okay.I’m not going to argue about this but here’s a description : https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/lxd
I’m not trying to argue? I legitimately don’t know what advantages LXD has since I don’t see it used widely in the industry, whereas LXC is everywhere.
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LXD also has some cool features like launching VMs in a way that’s nearly indistinguishable from containers, which can be useful if you need to do something like run a distro that uses cgroups v1 (e.g. CentOS 7) on a more modern distro.
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Now that I think about it, the decline of ubuntu began when they inserted amazon affiliate links in their ui a long time ago. The final straw for me is forcing snaps when attempting to install some apps via apt. I replaced all my ubuntu machines with debian without any issue.
i thought we were just shitposting about this one
Wait that was real? I thought that was a joke someone made cuz I believe I saw an image of it on one of the meme communities.
Using Ubuntu is a mistake to begin with.
This is such horseshit. The drama of the Linux community never ceases to amaze me.
Ah yes. MicroCanonicalSoft. Ubuntu used to be great. But they are working hard to ruin it.
I am currently looking for an alternative that has a similar allround-ish support for hardware. Ubuntu supports my Macbook and my Acer Tablet out of the box while others do not competely do so. I could write a whole rant about the tablet with 64-bit processor but 32-bit eufi bios and intel processor that kinda obscures access to the audio and wifi devices unless you use a specific driver.
I’d prefer something debian based but I can’t stand flicking in video playback or scrolling through a webpage. Which is why I like Wayland at the moment, since it fixes those things.
It was ok at best. I first tried Linux around the time opensuse was released, and even then the only reason it was more popular was due to coming out a bit earlier and sending live CDs. Then Suse fucked the Linux community alongside MS for like a decade, and now it’s canonical’s turn to help out.
I could write a whole rant about the tablet with 64-bit processor but 32-bit eufi bios
If you have <4gb RAM, just use a x86 version of the distro. AFAIK it essentially has no downsides, and possibly requires less resources.
I’d prefer something debian based but I can’t stand flicking in video playback or scrolling through a webpage. Which is why I like Wayland at the moment, since it fixes those things.
So why not use Wayland on Debian?
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Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
You’ve read it here, folks. Microsoft just needs to promote Xbox deals and such, then it’s not an ad space sold to third parties. (Either that or you’re holding Canonical to a different standard than Microsoft.)
It would be more like MS selling extended support, which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really. A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Yeah, I don’t get extreme criticism against any monetization. Isn’t Ubuntu Pro basically paid version of ubuntu?
which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
The Ubuntu paid ad doesn’t show just in the updater either. Seems like double standard allowing Canonical advertising their paid product every time the terminal is opened and Microsoft would be only fine to be allowed to advertise paid updates in the updater.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really.
I’m a packager of a small but public repository. Over the years some of the packages were actually picked up by the upstream distribution (minor stuff to scratch my own itch, nothing noteworthy, IMO, but still). I was never offered a few cents of whatever donations came in. Such money goes to the distribution leaders, not the actual community and even less so to the actual upstream software developers. If anything, the upstream software developers should get the money, not a downstream distribution where most of the work is automated anyway and yet replacing bookmarks in the default browser to customized ones for the distribution is common practice. Back when people still bought MP3 music, Canonical replaced the affiliate IDs for MP3 music stores to funnel money off upstream developers into their own pockets.
A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Windows 10 started out as a free upgrade to Win7 and Win8 users (at least the Home variant, not sure about Pro and higher). Since then Win11 has also been a free upgrade. Do we live in a world where Windows developers need to make money from their product then?
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you. You don’t need to extend your values to corporate.
Money still runs the world. Windows or FOSS devs. I wish things were different, but you are wasting your political support on something that is not a big deal.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad and not comparable to candy crush. Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope (which is a target for enterprise anyway). To be clear there are better things to criticize about Canonical.
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you.
I do have a regular job. I’m doing fine. I don’t want or need money donated to Linux distributions. Updating a few packages is hardly any work at all because the majority of tasks is automated (as I said: my repo is small and for my own use. I don’t advertise its existence but I also don’t hide it either). Actually developing software is. I don’t want distributors nagging users for money to then put in their pockets. Distributors can promote pledge drives to fund hosting on their website.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad
Yes, it is.
Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope
Cool, so Microsoft’s “Back up to OneDrive” once per month and “Get more OneDrive storage” don’t count then…
Look my you ran an update and the update program is letting you know how you can get extended support if you needed. It is with in the scope of the activity in a way that Candy Crush and One Drive are not. If Kden live was more explicit about being part of the KDE universe I don’t think there is harm to that either. Ubuntu pro is not malicious or vendor locking (in its current state). What is the big deal that you spend so much energy here? Letting people know how to get 12 years of support instead of just the standard 5? There is a cost to doing that and ensuring quality. The discussion on the distribution paying upstream is important, but kind of a separate matter (and yes they could be doing more).
This is supposed to be for a company that has multiple machines and needs security back ported. Any regular desktop user can just opt out. Real question, what changes do you want to see to make things better? Like we do need to improve communication on how to support FOSS in general. I am not a particularly good programmer, so don’t commit bug fixes. I live in the shit hole US South and 50% below median for the state, so my money contributions are never that high. If we are allergic to Ubuntu Pro or
x packages are looking for funding.innpm, how do we really address anything? I get that ads are very invasive, but i think you are picking the least impressive hill to die on here.
And for most people, Ubuntu Pro is free in practice (since most folks are unlikely to have more than 5 machines that need the features Pro provides).
For now…
Just don’t use Ubuntu then.
Latest Debian has all the ease and little of the worry.
Oh i know, I’m running MX
Well hey, at least it “just works,” right?
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all you have to do to block ads on linux:
there was that one time Ubuntu added ads to the search menu tho
well ubuntu is a shit stain in linux world anyway
I’m planning to shift to mint. Any problem with that?
nah it’s still good. I do prefer fedora myself though, but that’s just a preference
LMDE and don’t look back.
Use EndeavourOS
i messed with eos, it’s alright. I had some problems with the mirrors breaking, to which the solution to fixing the broken keyring trust was “untrust the key, and forcibly install it” which i didn’t really like. Other than that it seemed ok.
Run the eos updater tool and it takes care of all of that for you. The broken mirrors isnt an actual issue either since there’s redundant mirrors on the mirror list I believe
ubuntu isn’t real and doesnt exist.
And even then, all you would have to do is just stop using ubuntu. Which given the lifespan of a linux user, is a pretty normal occurrence.
Does this fuck up other stuff though? I used the old telemetry set before but it prevents you from signing in on Xbox account in games
I’ve been using it for 6 months and it hasn’t fucked anything up. I use my Xbox account pretty regularly
How did you build this list? This is likely to break other things. Azureedge isn’t just for ads, and msftconnecttest is literally only used to detect if your internet connection is working.
i guess he booted up the system and saw what was using the internet
I got it from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJr2DcffquI
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=IJr2DcffquI
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Nice. Thanks for sharing!
And people think Linux is complicated…
Can’t tell if joking…
what? shouldn’t blocked domains be routed to 0.0.0.0 instead of loopback? This might cause the system generally to wait for a response instead of instantly realizing those domains don’t exists
Run W10Privacy and use NextDNS. Oh, and create a local user account.
And in Linux, you install the system, create an account… and that’s it
Unless it’s Ubuntu
I just use ameliorated windows 10, never been bothered by anything else.
What’s that?
Its an open source tool for modifying existing windows installation preferably start with a fresh one. It does quite a lot with removing anything spyware related. Removing a bunch of features that really no one uses in order to mitigate the attack surface from vulnerabilities.
Do watch out if you use UWP it will remove those too, including Edge.
3rd party modifications to windows iso that basically amounts to trusting an internet stranger.
You are talking about the old Ameliorated, the new one doesn’t modify an iso instead its a tool that modifies an already installed windows instance.
Also kinda weird to word it like that since with any open source tool we are trusting internet strangers
My bad. Sorry.
Well it’s good to see that - unlike Lemmy - Reddit users have found a way to bash Windows without using pre-transition images of Elliot Page. So they’ve got that going for them, at least. (I’m assuming this post is also poking fun at Reddit, for being riddled with ads)
EDIT: Apologies, I shouldn’t have made this comment. I’ll leave it up, so the replies have some context.
Well, yes, that transphobic post was very bad yesterday :( It was one person and the poster got a 30 days community ban on lemmy.world (check the modlog). The copy of the post was gone on lemmy.world but was still visible on lemmy.ml later, downvoted a lot.
Classy edit
Creds for leaving it up though.
Literally not a fucking clue what you’re talking about even after googling that name
Sorry. It’s from me being too online. Must. Put. Phone. Down.
Some troglodyte was comparing OSes to Elliot Page’s transition.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that was only one user who made that comparison, and they got downvoted hard for that.
It was two, fwiw. They were also upvoted, and engaged with (which is what the trolls want, of course). I shouldn’t have made that comment - it’s a sign that I’ve been on my phone too much this morning. I’ll amend it, and then go out for a walk or something.
DEA literally le XD
That’s what your title sounds like OP.
Meanwhile Linux users trying to ger wifi to work
Every kernel update on Ubuntu kills my wifi driver. So I automatically recompile and add my new driver…same driver each gaddam time. But it’s not an ad 😂 lol.
Get the maintainer to PR it to the linux-firmware team if its unique.
it’s the never ending cycle, we struggle getting wifi to work and then laugh at windows users trying to get windows to work
we struggle getting wifi to work
No we don’t
I feel like my joke went over a lot of people’s heads
I rarely have WiFi issues on Linux. At least not with internal WiFi cards. USB ones can sometimes be a problem, but not often.
Yes, but like 10 years ago. That was probably the last time I ripped out chunks of hair and snapped off teeth trying to configure a half supported broadcom wireless card.
I just add this to my system config:
networking.wireless = { enable = true; networks = import ./networks.nix; };Then I define my networks in a gitignored file and I’m good to go.
still less hassle then using linux like dont get me wrong if all u wanna do is internet browsing or maybe do some office work sure its fine but for any else its a huge pain in the ass if its even possible.
How exactly? When using Linux, I get similar problems to those I get in Windows but in contrast to Windows, I’m able to find a solution and solve them.
in that there is no linux versions of tons of software i use and cant just decide to stop using and trying to get the windows versions working on linux is a pain in the ass and half the time it doesnt work.
Yeah linux sucks unless you want to browse the internet, do office work, or play games.
Anything else is basically impossible.
i wouldn’t put play games on that list by any stretch.
Basically every steam game just works, most other stuff just works with lutris, all retroarch emulators I’ve tried just work, there are obviously oodles of native linux games particularly Indies. Nvidia drivers mostly just work if you install proprietary (blurgh).
What doesn’t work?
plenty of multiplayer games dont work because their anti cheat disallows it including literally the only multiplayer game i play regularly. also tons of older games dont work.
Which ones don’t? I don’t play many MP games but non of the ones I have played have issues. Easy anticheat works for example, and you can run it in ring 3 and lie which is nice.
https://areweanticheatyet.com/
its not about if anticheat works or not some developers just adverbially decided to disable the ability to play on linux, it sucks but it just is what it is.
Weird, I suppose you could also VM it but it tends to have a performance hit without optimised hardware. I wonder how they check the environment it runs in and if you can just lie to the checks.
literally my whole steam library with 80 something games works with linux. just saying. and they are not some linux specific games either. fallout 4, mafias, baldurs gate 3, the forest, rdr 2, gta v etc.
your opinion is from 5 years ago. when have you last even tried to game on linux? and what are you even doing in linuxmemes with these comments? :D kernel level anti cheat is a different thing though
just go check protondb if you need some proof it has all the games on steam listed with info how well they work
last time i tried was when microsoft announced windows 10 would stop getting updates, because windows 11 looks dreadful and i wanted to know how viable linux was. answer not at all atleast for me.
lmao. the fact that kernel-level anti cheat multiplayers don’t work don’t work on linux don’t mean you can’t game on linux or that it is bad experience. a lot of people don’t play those and they are mostly put on competitive game. steam has literslly brought thousands of games to linux in just a few years
out of 1000 top games on steam 77% has either platinum or gold rating in terms of woking. I’m sorry linux isn’t viable for gaming?
and we literally have linux gaming handheld, steam deck. which has over 4000 games with steam verified status and something like 14000 gold or platinum status games
edit: sorry didn’t notice the “at least for me” part which makes your comment valid if you happen to play those kernel anticheat games
not only was i talking about my use case and experiences, lets be very clear “gold” rating is unacceptable and the fact that “it works when u fuck around with it a bit” is the gold standard for linux gaming and the state of half the games is already terrible. the fact that when i say doing anything in linux besides absolute basic tasks is a pain in the ass yalls response is u that u can make it work which is bizzare making it work IS a pain in the ass.
in my experience gold games work almost alwaus just fine. I don’t expect platinum rating on a lot of games since a lot of modern games are just as unstable on windows as they are on linux. In my opinion the meaning of gold rating has changed a lot. 2010s with wine gold used to have quite a lot of tinkering but with proton nowadays it’s usually either just fine or solved with 1 or 2 launch commands copy pasted from protondb. some games have even slightly better performance on linux with the right hardware.
sorry for starting the whole argument but I also don’t know what kind of answers you expected when you came to linux community trash talking linux with things that a lot of linux users don’t agree with. your use cases happens to be one of the worst though on linux.
but the fact that you cant use professional cad software and play games that are specifically made impossible to play on linux don’t mean that you can’t do anything but use office and browser and I still do think that statement is stupid as hell.
but sorry again for getting so heated, I’m going to stop arguing now since neither of us are going to change their minds and this contributes absolutely nothing
The last time I ran Linux on my main gaming rig I had a couple of key problems that largely made me call it quits:
- Games with gold and platinum ratings on WineDB (this was about the time Proton was newly released) would require far too much fiddling to get working if I could get them working at all.
- A couple of fairly uncommon games I played a lot at the time had weird issues with user-generated content related to filesystem and library case-sensitivity differences.
- Game crashes from content conflicts more often than not created system crashes, which both obscured crash dialogues which would normally point me to the content to explore why it was crashing, and extended the amount of time needed to troubleshoot an install and get it working
I’ll probably try it again at some point in the next handful of years, especially since the Linux desktop has come so far in the 3 years or so since I last tried it out. I already run Linux on about half of the systems I use regularly, so its not like I’m completely out of the game.
yeah I definetly know what you mean. with wine it definetly was pain in the ass to make the configuration by yourself to every game. luckily we now have proton doing excellent work for that. and if it’s not a steam game we have lutris doing excellent work for that with their install scripts.
we even have glorius eggroll releasing wine-ge and proton-ge where they apply plenty of game specific patches
in steam I feel like maybe 2 out of 10 gold rated games have some little issues, and even then I just have to copy paste launch comand from proton db, no need to fiddle around too much
did you forget programming? its a breeze with linux
You’re in the wrong neighborhood, pal.
it’s all about learning a new workflow. having to go to a website amd downloading exe and going trough an installation wizard from the most basic things like programming language compiler or a web browser seems so backwards for me now after using only linux for 3 years
what are u even talking about getting used to linux wont suddenly make autodesk and a million other software vendors start making linux versions of their software, nor will it make game publishers make linux versions of their games much less stop them from being assholes about drm and anticheat.
just addressing your “paim in the ass” statement. it is true what you’re saying about propiertary software that is not available to linux but there are linux alternatives. which like I said, is the matter of a new workflow. work enviroment is a different though if they require certain software to be used. what comes to gaming, huge steps are made towards gaming on linux and most games work just fine with proton. games with heavy kernel level anticheats are a different thing though.
edit: and everything except browsing internet and office work is a big fucking strech
there are no linux alternatives for some stuff i use, i would need to use wine or emulate and whether it works properly if at all its basically random. and sure gaming on linux is the best it has ever been but considering the starting point that says basically nothing its passable at best, and sure u could just decide not play certain games but like u could also just use windows and play what u want.
also sure internet browsing and spreadsheets or writing stuff, just basic office work is the entire use case for a lot of people which is why i clarified that its fine for that but thats just not the use case for me.
I would like to know what software are you using that don’t have linux alternatives.
and you’re still downplaying linux a lot. programmin is huge thing on linux and propably most people use it for that. there are a lot of digital art software which is made for linux. you can do cad work with freecad, altough it has quite different workflow than a lot of other cad software
just autodesks suit of cad programs. and free cad is not an acceptable replacement at all much less the free versions of autocad and revit, not only are alternative versions less powerful, most of them fuck up when exporting in the file formats for the programs most people use which creates problems for them which is just not acceptable.
then theres stuff i need for school like lockdown browser and multisim are the main ones multisim has a web version but its borderline useless. plus a bunch of other weird ancient software ill used for like one semester cuz the professor was feeling it and its very hit an miss whether those have a native linux version or not.
look im sure u could make it work but thats my point in windows everything just works, u could fuck around with these programs and get some of them working and get adequate replacements for other and dualboot for fucking lockdown browser, but thats my point exacly its more of a pain in the ass to make this shit work and make everything else in the future work than just fucking around with windows once to turn of all the anti pravacy shit, u know which is what i said in my comment the original one, which yall are ignoring because ur brain is so linux poisoned that when someone says doing x in linux is annoying ur response is “u can make it work tho so its fine and ur wrong and doing x is overated anyways why don u do y instead”
my point was still originally that in most cases it’s just change of a workflow. even if something needs a tinkering at first time after thst you know how to do it and it’s not a chore anymore. I would definetly feel thst even if in windows thinf just work it would be pain in the ass for me to do the stuff in windows way because I’m used to linux way.
but also I have very different use cases than you, since I’m a programmer that does 3D modeling as a hobby on blender, and I don’t play competitive games. so for me the linux is “everything just works” os, since if I had any problems at start when I didn’t known how to do something, that’s not most certainly the case anymore
WinXP and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Win7 were decent tho Edit : said by someone that daily drives linux for like at least the last 4 years, 2 of which with tiling WMs
A lot of the ‘ads’ can be turned off with a toggle or two, it’s wild that people are losing their minds over this. Microsoft is shitty for making the call, but it’s an avoidable thing which doesn’t warrant this level of reaction.
People with this level of energy should be complaining about the online search not being a user facing option to turn off easily in Windows Home edition!
Litterally two sliders.
Or use shutup10
Linux community needs to assert dominance in one way or another, so let it be the way it is
Yes and I love to do it again after every major update … not
The domain blacklist I was using was probably excessive then.
Pi hole?
At the time it was one of the other options that did the same thing
