The 45+ crowd will vote for him because they support isn’treal and are afraid of Drumpf but I think we’re going to see a massive drop out of young voters. Probably too with the people who already don’t vote to begin with, namely service workers who are fucked over either way with D’s and R’s.
And here I thought Biden was going to win in November, time to eat crow.
Don’t be silly, this is America! No one under the age of 45 exists! that’s why we put in so much effort causing the housing crisis! We helped all you homeowners BuIlD yOuR wEaLtH! Why aren’t you happy?
Besides, I’m sure those young’uns LIKE being basement dwellers anyways!
To the people saying they will not vote, why not vote for De la Cruz? Even if you don’t like the PSL, it’s better than voting blank?
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I don’t know how that works, wanna explain?
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I still have the voter registrations from my district when I ran for state house 15 years ago.
100% agree but i’m british so i don’t get to
I’m Swedish, so same. No skin in the game, I just feel like this election is a good opportunity for Americans to show that Marxism Leninism is more popular than people might think.
Idk. American elections are really unpredictable and very close. This is not a defense of Biden or Trump just that it’s like not very different from flipping a coin.
Turnouts going to be lower that’s for sure.
I was just watching UCLA protest video where someone of the zionist side pulled out a Trump flag. No significant negative reaction from anyone on the zionist side. Support for Israel’s genocide is support for Trump. Biden is voting for Trump. :vote: Blue No Matter Genocide
banning the platform where they’ve watched him egg on and fund genocide after a year of that is like committing youth seppuku.
I think the under 45 participation rate will be so low that Trump will actually get more support than Biden, because at least his base loves him.
Can’t wait for the endless think pieces about how young people are conservative 🙄
Can’t wait for the endless think pieces about how young people are conservative
Oh, god. The NYT all by itself will publish scores of op-eds, think pieces, and even articles “explaining” the phenomenon. And all them will be high up on the homepage.
Depends how much the election fraud narrative is pushed. If Trump convinces enough supporters that voting is meaningless, then both parties would be dealing with self-inflected low turnout. Granted, if the belief that democracy is dead is a strong enough belief to suppress Trump votes enough for Biden to win, then we risk bigger problems regardless of the outcome of the vote.
Can’t wait to laugh my ass off at Biden losing and cry my ass off at all of us being forced to live in turbo-hell where everything continually gets worse
at all of us being forced to live in turbo-hell where everything continually gets worse
I’ve been living in turbo hell where everything keeps getting worse for decades.
The only difference is when a dem is president all the chuds around me feel the need to tell me about how they’re going to murder people like me.
Turbo hell is just an option between IROC-Z and a Mack truck being the delivery vehicle.
That’s me and I’m not voting
It’s also me and I’m voting in local elections for people who think public education should exist and we shouldn’t start rounding up minorities and then writing in “not genocide” for the president.
He started off saying he has no synpathy for the problems faced by young people and telling billionaires nothing will fundamentally change.
He was cooked from the start he just worked harder than most of the baby leftists who tried really really hard to give him a pass but he kept doubling down and reiterating that he detests them and doesn’t care what they think and would never even consider comprimising with them let alone working with them.
He started at zero and has been digging as hard as he can since then.
He barely beat trump, only because Trump killed 2 million Americans to own the libs, and since then has done everyrhing he can to convince anybody who cares about workers right, the environment, or not committing genocide to not vote for him.
Just look at the current liberal memes that are literally “ok Biden is doing a genocide but if Trump wins he’ll do even more genocide”
Gotta vote for Biden so Trump doesn’t bomb the rubble.
He was also getting destroyed in the polls until Obama made the perfect phone call
Obummer putting his thumb on the scales only to make things worse is very on-brand. Like how the NBA was gonna strike over black lives matter and then he called up some of the players and talked them out of it. Can you imagine the amount of attention they could have brought to the issue? Big names, immensely popular figures, role models to children, an industry worth billions and billions in cash. Goddamn him.
It would have been cool if those players stood their ground too. Not blaming them, because I don’t know how the phone call(s) went down.
“you uhhh saw what we did to Kobe, right?”“Uhhh, let me inspire fear…”
You bet your ass I’m voting for Biden over Trump. Elections have consequences. I don’t like Biden as a candidate. But with how elections currently work in the US, it’s either Biden or Trump. And that’s an easy decision.
Edit* you hexbear folks are an interesting lot. You fling around accusations that completely ignore the complexities of geopolitics. It’s insulting to suggest that I support genocide, especially without engagement in an actual discussion. I’ve been around lemmy a while now and every day it’s the same argument from you folks. There can be no discussion because y’all can’t act like adults and have a good faith discussion. The only answer is to not engage, and that’s a shame.
Biden has Trump beat on: Deportations, war-making, strike-breaking, police funding, arms sales, oil extraction, activist prosecution through RICO, government surveillance, social media banning, student repression, and oh yeah fuckin genocide
But yeah sure it’s an “easy decision” for a middle-class white boy from Bumfuck, USA
What consequences do you think are on the table?
cool to know genocide isn’t a dealbreaker for you
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Which president did more genocide? Which president did Roe v Wade die under with no opposition? Which president crushed the rail unions? Which president proposed the more fascist border policy? Which president committed an act of war against Europe and Russia by blowing up the Nord Stream? Which president has spent billions funding nazis?
IDK this country has a massive cuckholdery to the Democrat Republican clown show. I don’t see them moving to the Green Party or PSL in numbers that one would think would send a message. There’s non insignificant support for dynasty establishment troll RFK Jr. So if those people don’t channel this fustration into a relavant supporting party such as Green or PSL save an armed revolution nothing will fundementally change and the cycle of D/R clownshow continues.
Edit - all the people not voting it’s like just rolling over for the Empire. Passive acceptance / consent. Surrender. No vote. No right to complain.
Well, yes, for sure. I don’t think there’s any question here that the D/R clownshow will continue. The only question (as with every prez election cycle) is which one will win the big clown contest, D or R. Anyone who thinks Green or PSL can siphon away voters in numbers significantly more than they did in past elections is sadly but profoundly mistaken. I haven’t seen that prediction here on hexbear though.
Personally, I think it seems pretty obvious Trump will win, though I don’t care enough to have a strong opinion or to watch the polls in any more detail than what I see posted here. I just know I’ll either get to point and laugh at the blue maga libs or the original maga chuds while life for myself and most other working class people will continue to decline in this rotting core and as its contradictions heighten, becoming increasingly terminal.
Edit: And voting isn’t going to change that. On the contrary, a good argument can be made that voting is rolling over for the empire by tacitly legitimizing this fucking joke of a “democratic” system. Anyone who is involved in an org or doing literally anything to help other people especially in their community but refuses to vote is doing infinitely more to not surrender to the empire than someone who votes with all their might in every election and then goes home to watch TV news.
It’s also for downballot legitimacy since there’s this whole “well they never win so why bother” attitudes. You want PSL / Greens on your city coucil get you better material conditions at home? Local wages. Cost of housing. Presidential races are a way to show that. But if no one tries because they’re too apathetic it perpetuates “they won’t win so why bother” into a vicous self defeating circles. Then the Dems play “you have no where to go”.
Yes you need to do more thab vote. As lib Jon Stewart said it is a lunch pail day in and day out job. It is a sacrafice to serve and build that community and build that trust and build coalitions. Activism doesn’t start and stop with voting. The system runs on consent - aka votes. That is the one rule. We must consent. They say the quiet part out loud if you are listening and paying attention - they hope you don’t. Yes our elections are shams because they try to railroad people into the D/R clownshow. There are options, however difficult they try to make and they aren’t always on the TV as the owners of media have a conflict of interest. That is where on the ground activism, organizations, word of mouth and independent publishing works best. I’m not saying stop doing your activism and community work. That’s the lunchpal day in and day out grind we need. Just in your work, and for yourself help put a dagger in the Empire by actually voting NON COMMITTED and with a party who is close to your values.
What do you have to lose in voting for a 3rd party anyways? A bit of time to vote? Think of it as critical support. There’s only so much they can bullshit.
My mom is 50 and anytime politics comes up she just gets upset and says, I guess trumps going to win because we’re all doing whatever we can not to vote for Biden. She’s not your average 50 year old though.
That is very much the behavior of your average 50 year old.
“Oh I guess you aren’t going to give me what i want just because he’s not perfect because he’s doing a genocide, stop being so selfish.”
She means it in the way that she personally isn’t going to vote for him because he’s a piece of shit, I’ve had her clarify. She only started voting about a decade ago after decades of disenfranchisement, and she’s already disillusioned.
Biden’s still favored to win on all the betting markets.
I’m guessing Dems will laser-focus on women’s health, pretending they weren’t responsible for anything lost while they controlled all 3 branches of federal government. Of course they won’t mention the hospitals where their bombs are dropping nor the arab women who are giving birth while literally dead in the street. But the advertisements will be convincing!
Biden’s still favored to win on all the betting markets.
Literally how is this possible lol. I just checked and Trump is at 29.4%, seems like easy money to me. You’d think they would have learned after 2016.
Biden 54 cents - Trump 45 cents on predictit (pres winner pays $1)
lmao betting markets.
Biden is going to lose, it’s that simple. The genocide alone is enough to make him lose Michigan, Georgia was a razor thin margin that won’t happen again, and Trump leads in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona.
The first two plus any one of the last three is enough for Trump to win.
He’s done next to nothing to actually help people while instead sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine and Israel. We are closer to WW3 now than at any other point this century, and he bears much of the blame.
Not that polls are perfect but the last one I saw Trump was winning in every single swing state
I wouldn’t underestimate the pro choice movement, nor the flood of boomers that were unleashed in 2020.
Also, the average American does not consider Arabs human.
Flood of boomers that were unleashed in 2020? Unleashed where, into their graves?
What has Biden done to protect abortion rights?
Also, the average American does not consider Arabs human.
With the margins we’re talking about, enough do to matter. Also there are more eligible Arab American voters in Michigan than Biden’s 2020 margin. They turned out for Biden in 2020, they likely won’t now, they even loudly said so in the primary. I did the math for the other swing states a while ago, and the number of Arab Americans in each state is enough to make a big dent in his margins, with non-Arab Palestine supporters and otherwise disappointed voters most likely making up the rest.
Democrats haven’t had to follow through on abortion before, I don’t know why that would be a requirement now.
Because it’s actually affecting people now, they don’t have Roe v Wade to hide behind.
Yes, it’s affecting people now. So they’ll go to the polls and have a choice between a guy saying he’ll do something about it and orange man bad.
They’re not going to drop Biden for not pulling a FDR on the supreme court, just like they didn’t blame RBG for being a megalomaniac, or Obama for (“The first thing I’d do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act.”) lol
Part of me would love to see them eat shit for genocide, but I don’t see it.
So they’ll go to the polls and have a choice between a guy saying he’ll do something about it and orange man bad.
You’re missing the choice that comes before that: whether they’ll go to the polls or not.
The guy saying he’ll do something about it is already in power and has done nothing about it, so there’s no point in voting for him.
Maybe because they let Roe die on their watch? Why should they get credit for doing nothing?
Biden was always going to lose reelection, I never had a moment of doubt in my mind since the second he was elected
Nope, plenty of under 45 libs are gonna vote for him. It’s the only way to save democracy.
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