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What’s the story behind this defederation? I missed that
Basically the powers that be determined that Hexbear “violated” Lemmy’s TOS by being a little too right wing (their opinion) and therefore chose on behalf of the entirety of Lemmy that the instance should be defederated.
Hexbear is left wing.
I live here but to be clear, lemmy.world is not “the entirety of Lemmy”.
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…I’m not sure you understand how all this works.
Wish I could be as bad ass as you and have it all figured out, to the point that I make dick ish comments to propel humanity along.
Eat a bag of dicks.
So you’re striving to raise yourself from full dick to just “-ish”? Otherwise this reply seems a bit ironic.
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TBH reading “their” opinion on Russia and the Russia war I can see why people would just simply want them to stay within their weird island. Well defederation is still not a cool option in general for the platform as a whole but I can see how admins of instances read stuff like that and can’t help but let their own opinion influence their decision. I would probably stay away from these as well.
I can sort of understand why tbf. Just playing the devil’s advocate here but the issue is that today it’s fine and shitposts are shitposts but Poe’s law will come into action at some point.
That’s not the actual reason. Hexbear was openly advocating for their “army” to brigade other instances once it was federating. It just so happens that the basis of that brigading was going to be political.
Lemmy.world pre-emptivly decided it wasn’t worth the hassle of having to deal with that.
Ohh okay. I didn’t know the context but that sounds really bad. Brigading instances should be de-federated.
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what’s the line between brigading and just getting into political arguments though?
What is the similarity?
Brigading is when you are targeting your entire group to a single post and attack users or disrupt the discussion.
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Hexbear only recently started opening itself up to federation. It’s one of the old leftist instances that was around before the reddit api fiasco. Think lemmygrad but more tolerant and pro-lgbtq.
Why is Hexbear so popular? I’ve never even heard of it
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Thanks for the very detailed explanation!
Same, I just found it after seeing the lemmy instances graph. It’s nothing to sneeze at.
#LemmyDrama
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I find it funny when people cry “FrEdOoM oF eXpReSsIoN” when instances defederate. Isn’t this the whole point and the good thing about federated social media? People who own the instances decide what to do with their instances
Great scot! 1.21 Gigawatts of active users!
I came for the first time back in 6/18/23 and im still coming now!
it’s yuuuuuge!
Happy to be here, doing my part. Thanks to all of you, that made it possible!
Let’s goooooo!
I’m almost purely a mobile user - as soon as sync enables post generation I’m all over it.
How about the current situation? These numbers are soon a year old!
First comment ever on lemmy! With reddit and the latest update moving shtiff around, it’s gotten to a point where I no longer want to be apart of that app. Not mentioning the money grubbing infants over there… So I’m trying this one out! Thanks for staying open and active! 👍
this isnt a social media home anymore. This place felt like a big home for all.
There is also a very clear upwards trend I would say 😁
What happened on July 29th?
At first I thought it was Sync coming out, but it came out on August 2
There was a problem with lemmy.world where it would not sync with other federation. It has been fixed now.
I got a spike of usage on my app as well. No idea what happened.
Dang, phtn.app is nicer than vger.app on desktop! How do “apps” like this work as far as privacy goes? Are you storing user logins/passwords? Or is it “passed though”?
The client doesn’t store passwords at all, but the client does store your token in localStorage (it’s necessary so that we can make authenticated requests). The only way your account could get hacked is if they gain access to your browser and look through localStorage. If they have access to your computer, you have other problems though. If they do gain access, you can invalidate the JWT by changing your password.
Impressive, I guess, but how many of those 2 million posts have a single comment? If 90% of these are just bots reposting things from Reddit with no further engagement…
Hey! Some of those posts with no comments are me posting pictures of cute bugs that I took! I’m not a bot, I’m just not very interesting.
Hah, that sounds like me! I started a few communities in places where I knew I could supply some OC, and so far its been mostly just me posting my stuff, but I’m stoked whenever I get comments!
I just subbed to your nature patterns community! I love the idea! I will keep an eye out and hope I can contribute some neat things soon!
And since I notice you are a gardener, you may be interested in my !beebutts@lemmy.world community. It’s about bees… and their butts… I’ve also got !awwnverts@lemmy.world for the front side of the bees, and all of their adorable invertebrate friends.
I’m subscribed to both! And I’ve tossed a couple butts your way already -
Ah! So you have! Thank you so much! (Nice butts!)
What Lemmy needs now more than anything is commenters. If the site is to succeed, it needs robust comment sections.
It does need that, but it also needs dedicated posters for small niche communities that keep posting into the void so that when someone eventually stumbles over they won’t go “aw it’s dead here, I guess Lemmy isn’t for me” but will actually find some content to engage with instead.
Totally agree. Each sub top mod should submit one good post per day at a minimum.
Several of the niche subs I’m on on Reddit didn’t even get one post a day, lol. I guess there’s niche and niche
I only miss one or two subs, all other places I used to engage with are here and active. I would say there are less bots here.
That was my initial thought. The bots are working overtime.
No doubt, it’s a chicken or egg problem.
The content will bring in users. I try to comment on interesting topics to help drive engagement.
Only if the content is organic. Look at !photoshopbattles@lemmy.world . Full of bot posts from reddit with 0 comments. Even if one of them gets a comment, it would get drowned out by the subsequent bot posts. Blindly filling a community with bot posts would eventually make people unsub from it.
I’m sure those bots are well intended, but I would rather not see bots just copying posts from reddit blindly. When you sort all by new, it’s just a swamp of bot posts.
Edit: So I checked to verify my claim and most are from @bot@lemmit.online iirc and you can just block that account to stop seeing all the automated posts from reddit
I used to lurk like crazy on reddit. I had a nearly 12 year old account that mainly had a few comments here and there months apart, and only a few posts but ever since moving to Lemmy I’ve found myself actually posting relatively frequently to help build some of the smaller communities I’m in that have also migrated.
(post comment edit - if you put things inside < > as your entire post, Lemmy will eat it. Cool>
Keep it up. I wish people would bring themself to comment so they count as active users.
I’m exactly the same. I feel like the opportunity to have a productive conversation on Lemmy is a lot higher. There are fewer of us right now but we are the motivated minority kicking Reddit to the curb for its terrible actions and we want to see Lemmy thrive.
I still check Reddit every couple days on my laptop. I don’t think they maintained a majority of their users. Engagement is way down. Most of the posts on my front page are barely hitting 2000 updoots, compared to well over 10,000 prior to July 1
Ongoing discussion—i.e., comments replying to other comments, not just posts—drives engagement as much as content. If the post-to-comment ratio is too high, active commenters are less likely to encounter each other in the sea of automated posts.
It depends on the content.
Some of content really depends on OP being in the comments, like AmITheAsshole. Just reposting doesn’t give the kind of interaction that the original post would have.
This is my thoughts as well. I’ve noticed that once one or two people express interest in a post, it tends to get much more traffic
Same applied to reddit too. Posts with no real engagement don’t interest people in general. The more random ass comments the better.
I really just prefer genuine content personally. We don’t need to astroturf the site.
Cool. Has nothing to do with what I said about commenting on stuff to help others be interested in posts and show engagement, but cool.
You don’t understand how my comment is related to yours?
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The world could use more random ass-comments
You’re doing it right. That’s exactly how to build momentum! 💪
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Well the same page lists comments per day for the same period as 11,083,555. A ratio of 5.27 comments per post seems fine.
Yeah, a ratio means nothing if the bulk of the comments are only on a small portion of the posts. If 90% of the posts have 0 comments and the other 10% have 52.7 comments per post, that’s worth knowing.
Unfortunately it seems that MAUs are steadily declining as well.
And when comments are measured, you can say ‘but it’s just a small group making lots of comments’.
And when users are measured, you can say ‘but they’re just lurkers’.
Etc, etc. You can always naysay everything. This is impressive growth.
The problem is that without an effective way to ID bot content then stats like this could be covering up the real trends in human users, particularly in any stat that purports to measure all lemmy instances since we already know there are instances out there filled with thousands of bot users
“Nayyyyyy.”
“Oh boy the line went up that must mean I’m on the winning team!”
Are you saying you need outside support for your decisions?
Over half my feed is just low effort memes or auto posted arstechnica articles. Does this data include bot posts?
Half the posts since yesterday are people bitching about Sync ultra costing the same amount of money as a Costco hotdog combo once a month. 🙄
I mean I’ve been posting Moldy Memes on the memes page. Mainly just to share my ancient saved stuff, and to help boost the meme page up with more posts. I do understand the frustration, but hopefully more, active users will come around.
Yeah it’s quite a game of whack a mole to get rid of all those memes subs and their bot content… it’s actually worse than on reddit it seems.
I would assume so. But I see quite some organic content as well, with good interactions in the comment sections. I’m pretty happy. 90% of what was on reddit was of no interest to me as tends to be the case with any large content aggregator.
My feed has zero memes (except those form !risa@startrek.website which obv do not qualify as “low effort”). I think unlike with Reddit, what you see if what you subscribe to. If you don’t like what you’re seeing, change your subscriptions. Not having Reddit force stuff into the feed is nice but it also means everyone is fully responsible for what they’re seeing.
I think unlike with Reddit, what you see if what you subscribe to.
This was also the case with Reddit, unless you intentionally went to /r/all? Or am I misunderstanding you? To clarify I always used RIF or went to old.reddit and was never force-fed any content from outside my subscriptions, when I stuck to the home-page.
If you don’t like what you’re seeing, change your subscriptions. Not having Reddit force stuff into the feed is nice but it also means everyone is fully responsible for what they’re seeing.
You make a good point, but I think here’s where the current downside of Lemmy comes in, discoverability between instances are pretty bothersome and not easily handled unless you again, go to your instance /all and check what other communities other people on the instance are subscribed to.
Unless you were using old.Reddit, there is a lot of inserted and suggested content now.
Trying to prune and maintain the All feed is a huge task at the moment, especially since some content might be the type of stuff you want to see sometimes, so just blocking News or Memes isn’t a perfect solution.
Having Tags for posts for easier filtering would be great, but right now sticking to a carefully selected subscribed feed has been easier, for me at least.
There are some apps - like Connect and Sync - that allow filtering keywords, domains and entire instances, should you want to try to control your All feed.
Half the posts are also just people specualting about activity on lemmy.
Also, there is approximately 50% of postings reserved for whinging about the speculation of activity on Lemmy.
That makes just about 100% then.
The data I am interested in is on postings that are whinging about postings that are whinging. It’s the metawhinge factor that really measures the health of a community
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Don’t forget all the updates about what’s going on at that other site.
I’m new to Lemmy and I am using Sync for Lemmy but so far none of my comments are showing up. I’m attempting to comment from my browser this time and I hope it works.
Edit: my comments seem to be showing in browser but not via Sync for Lemmy. Can someone recommend different Lemmy app?
Edit: you guys are great, I uninstalled and restarted and now my comments are showing up along with all your replies that just popped up at once!
