I’ve heard that people leaving Amazon do so because of the environment/culture there, even though Amazon pays very well.

And has someone who quit over poor compensation, those are exactly the bullshit reasons I told HR on my way out, as to not burn bridges.

When I was younger, at least. Old me doesn’t give a shit anymore.

Are you upvoting yourself with bots or what’s going on here? You seem to be making very sure to drive the point that it definitely ISN’T money lol.

Communism has been around since animals started working collectively toward the good of the group.

seriously，who has time to use a ping pong table at work? It’s like a decoration to remind you you’re not having fun.

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Especially if you know exactly that your employer most likely has zero loyalty to you either.

If there was a way to get the same work for 20% less, my employer would happily do that.

I never understood that logic, tbh. It can’t be good for a business to lose half the staff every few years. Bringing in fresh blood once in a while is good, but you shouldn’t need constant transfusions.

I always tell people the easiest way to get a raise is to find a new job. Nobody is keeping up with inflation anymore, it’s pretty much required to job hop to break even anymore.

Around 2012 I had a interview with a recruiter, he asked me what kind of company you’re looking for, and I replied, one without a ping pong table, he laughed at me, I am an immigrant, left home when I was 19, so around 2008 went around in my country and EU, and already understood that whenever a company had a ping pong table it had a shitty culture, so by the time of that interview I already seen more than enough shitty companies, but I remember that interview in particular because the guy started making fun of me, laughing at me

11 years after, I wish I could speak with that recruiter to see if he understood that ping pong tables are low efforts solutions adopted by shitty-environment companies and if he would laugh at me again

This is what I came to say. Good management will make people stay for a long time with less pay.

But obviously HR doesn’t get that lmao.

“Man, my job pays horribly and the benefits barely cover anything, but they have a ping-pong table so it’s honestly a tough call.”

I struggle to understand how someone could seriously write something like that question without a lack of self-awareness so dire that a walk to the kitchen would come with a near-death experience. It just can’t be real.

One of the best bosses I ever had once told me that people will stay for the culture but leave for money. His philosophy was to try and ensure that money was not a factor in people’s decision, then build as good a culture as he could.

And to be clear, by making money not a factor, I mean he paid well.

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I mean not enough ping-pong tables could be reason to leave for a PE teacher or something

I think the truth is that it assuming it’s the latter may not be enough. But the first two are even less likely. Additional responsibilities WITHOUT a raise is very, very unlikely to be what anyone was waiting for to stick around.

This is it right here!

Last time a job tried to hire me from my current position, it was all about the money, my company was willing to compete. I stayed with the company.

This time where I’m throwing applications like campaign pamphlets, I’m willing to take a cut in pay.

It is shocking how a year can have a company go to the shitter.

That was beautifully put.

yeah, the "not necessarily pay is accurate, but the “right” answer being ping-pong table pivots things from “ok, they have some understanding” to “incredibly tone deaf”.

Capitalism doesn’t require rational behavior; all it requires is a system that allows some people to make passive income by exploiting other people, based on the idea of private property. CEOs, for example, don’t care about what’s good for the business; they care about extracting as much value from the business and the workers as they can get away with before moving on to the next victim.

Here’s a pingpong table. If you are fit enough to play after a 10h shift, knock yourself out. Except that the office closes when you finished your work so, no, it’s just decoration.

Wtf are you talking about? Employees work office jobs 9 to 5 because they love to work. Like all good employee’s. Heck, if they weren’t getting paid they’d still the work for free because they love it so much. It’s only out of the pure goodness of my heart that I decide to pay them minimum wage/s

In fact all three are valid answers. Cruel manipulation as it is, additional even uncompesated responsibilities often do drive retention as people are invested too deep and too stressed out to consider switching or find time for the process.

It’s not ever not about the money around 0% of the times.

This

I was at my last job for 10 years.

If I had been well paid and treated well I would not have ever started that job search. Further even just having one of those two thing might have kept me from looking.

At that job I hit the tipping point of both. It’s was getting shittier everyday and the pay wasn’t budging year after year. Finally mid-Covid the power flipped to the employee and jobs were much easier to get. I started looking and jumped shipped.

My last job had a pingpong table. We’d even use it occasionally. That is, until people started getting pissy when they’d see us playing pingpong. Then management started bitching that we were playing pingpong instead of working. Eventually, nobody was allowed to use the pingpong table - it just sat there, in the middle of the room, with brand new paddles and packs of balls that we weren’t allowed to use.

The money was okay - not great, but not terrible. After some management fuckery, I left for a $10000/yr raise and 100% work from home. I’ve gone up $20K since then, been promoted to senior, still have upward trajectory, and still work 100% from home. I have a desk in Memphis somewhere, but I’ve never actually seen it.

It is if you’re managing an Olympic ping pong team

Most places that have HR like this work their employees too hard for them to have time to use a ping pong table anyway, so it’s really just a hollow gesture.

Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I’m no good at ping pong.

It’s always about autonomy, one way or another. People want to be able to control how they work and what they can get out of it. For some that does mean more money, for some it would mean less stress, for others it could means less meetings.

It’s pretty easy for management to address all of it by just giving people more power over what their work lives are like, but that could mean less control over their workforce. No “owner” wants that, to them, they own their employees’ time/work life.

I wanted a foosball table dammit!

Ping pong tables are loud as fuck and disrupt the whole office. If they invest in a soundproof room to put it in, sure. Otherwise it just makes you feel like a massive douche.

My employer really covered their bases. We have ping-pong, pool, and foosball. That guarantees that everyone has something that will keep them from quitting.

Indeed.

It’s telling that “basic dignity” or “managers who aren’t dicks” didn’t make the list.

I would quit if my employer got a ping pong table. I don’t mind ping pong but at the office? No.