Not hating on open source, just let people use what fits their expectations and needs and stop deterring them with gatekeeping :P
UX = user experience
I do find it a bit odd to monetize a client for a service which is 100% free. Not necessarily against it, but it bothers me slightly.
Yes the app developer should totally work for free.
Also servers are free to run yay.
Seriously what in the world?
sync doesnt have servers to run, lemmy instances do and they get 0 of that money.
Sync does have it’s own servers, that’s what ultra is partially. Extra features provided by his servers.
and that is a perfectly valid business strategy! use free software to push paid services! basically most people in the FOSS space do that, look at redhat!
except hes not using free software and on top of that he adds ADS to a service that doesnt have any. thats the scummy part.
Everyone in FOSS hates Red Hat…you been reading the news?
And?
This is why lemmy may die.
It is not free. It’s not close to free. You can use it for free because someone else is subsidizing your use.
But the money comes from somewhere.
I have to laugh at the 100% free moniker. Sure, the CODE is free. Do you seriously think hosting, domains, certificates, maintenance, and everything that goes into an instance just poofs out of nowhere? Seriously?
Lemmy and Mastodon are both paid products. Maybe you don’t pay (and you should) but you should disabuse yourself of the illusion that Lemmy just happens.
Certs have been free for years.
Lemny is a “paid product” by your definition, but is still open source…
Even code is not free. Any decent developer writing code does so with an opportunity cost. If those developers want to provide that software to others for free, that’s great. But it still costs their own time and skills that they could be monetizing. For many people it’s a hobby.
They could also be having a life or idk going to a movie. People that demand software cost $0 either never programmed anything more than a few hundred lines or are iq 2000 coding perfect fully complete applications in ten minutes using cat >
I think the majority of people who demand software cost $0 are hobbyists who write code themselves, but it bothers them that not all developers share their passion. I’ve written a little code and some 3D models that I’ve released under Apache2 / CC-BY, but the vast majority of the code I’ve written in my life was done in exchange for a paycheck.
Probably true. I was a dev briefly and in a limited way. I do it as a hobby. Have a bunch of open source embedded stuff out there and a few other minor things. I don’t mind because I did it for me and figured why not share.
Writing a complicated, fully polished, production ready app with a fancy UI is a massive pain for me. So much so that I have never made it that far. I would have to get paid plenty to go to that kind of trouble. Actually no. There’s a reason I chose a different career lol.
I guess some people have a talent and passion to do big projects free of charge and open source. Cool for them but no shade to throw at devs that want much deserved compensation!
By 100% free I meant on the end of the client. And it’s not like the money from the monetization of sync is going towards hosting lemmy servers.
And you’ve missed the point again.
You use Lemmy for 100% free because other people pay to keep the lights on.
Sync is no different. The dev needs to eat.
Then we shall upload the dev to a computer so it does not need to eat.
Go ahead and reread my comment.
You might use Lemmy for 100% free, but you’re being subsidized by the rest of us who pay the hosts to keep these instances alive. THAT is why Lemmy doesn’t have ads.
First off, you say the rest of us. Do you support lemmy financially yourself? (Genuine question, not trying to call you our or anything)
But that same thing can be said about all open-source software. I don’t fully get your point. The reason the whole sync thing feels wrong to me is just because all that expensive fancy stuff, whether server hosting or the framework and protocol itself, isn’t the service you’re paying for. All that is free for the end user. Paying for essentially just the UI seems odd. It’d be like having a desktop environment for Linux that’s paid only.
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I’ve gone through this a few times. When he (and his users) realized he wasn’t going to continue developing Sync for reddit, he asked us what to do. We requested the Lemmy app. He’s always been super receptive to us and we’re comfortable supporting him. He’s developing it alone and got fucked by a company trying to inflate themselves to cash in on an IPO.
I wasn’t asking so much as begging [for Sync]. I kinda wished all the people shitting on the app for gasp charging money would just ignore that it exists and keep using the web. Or go write their own app that is as good and give it away. (Because it’s clearly so easy /s)
Fair enough. There’s just been a lot of hot takes from people that don’t have the full context.
That’s for sure. Yikes. So much outrage it seems like. Idk.
It bothers me a lot. Also considering OP and the ones with the same thoughts are using lemmy instead of reddit but still support fucking sync, i realize all of them are hypocrite or just stupid.
What do you think is wrong about sync? The developer has had a low cost well supported product for quite a while. I must be missing your point.
how is 20 bucks low cost???
At the federal minimum wage in the US, it’s a little under three hours of work. Assuming full time work, that would be .14% of the gross income for the year. As a nonrecurring purchase, that seems low cost to me.
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Makes money over fediverse
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Closed source
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Collects data
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nothing wrong with that
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nothing wrong with that
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the data collection modules have not been initialized in the Sync code
But continue evangelizing.
Wtf you mean by “nothing wrong with that”, if its not wrong then fuck off from lemmy, go to reddit there is a lot more content over there
And how the fuck do you know the data collection modules are not initialized, and will not be initialized
Why do you assume that content is the reason I chose a platform? Why do you gatekeep and dictate people’s choices?
And also from the Sync discord:
Because you all mentioning about ux again and again, which is all about interface and content for a forum platform. Before 20 years tracking and subscription models werent around but now they are everywhere and people slowly became ignorant(especially post-millenial people). As a result we now dont give a fuck about free, open sourced, private things. Thats why i am judging, but if there are things i miss please dm me, i would really like to hear where i am mistaken.
Sorry about data tracking, i didnt know
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Oh the irony of this comment… calling others hypocritical and stupid when they themselves don’t have the full context into the reason people beg for Sync… The irony is too strong
If its closed source, have a subscription model, and collects data i would rather not use that 3rd party app. Those things come before UX for me and if you are someone who came from reddit(like me) instead of payin for an api key and still use 3rd party app you must have the same side with me or you are just lying to yourself or dont know why left reddit(i expressed this situation with stupidity).
As i said, there is a lot more content on reddit, go over there pay what you pay to sync for lemmy and use reddit. Same thing with lots of more content.
You are entitled to make any assumptions you want about my choice. I’m glad you have your criteria for choosing the platforms and apps you like, and I celebrate that.
Unfortunately, you don’t really know my reasoning for my choice of platform and app, so telling me to go to Reddit based on your mis-assumptions about why I like Lemmy and Sync really highlights the core issue here.
Anyway, good luck to you bud. I hope you have a great Friday.
What in the world are you on about?
I only used Reddit because of Sync. I don’t give a shit what site provides the content. I want the revenue for the app to go to the UX creator.
if you dont support the underlying infrastructure you are going to switch platform every 2 years and buiyng the same app over and over again.(which for the dev is great!)
I didn’t say I don’t support the infrastructure,and it’s an incorrect inference you make of my preferences. My position is “yes pay for UX.” My (unstated) position is also “yes, pay for infrastructure, but be willing to move instead of being tied to hosts”
You seem to infer that bc I am willing to pay for UX, I’m against paying for the servers, which simply isn’t true or what I said.
If you are saying i dont give a fuck about privacy policy of company, ideas and believes of company owners and other shit; if you are saying just give me content and better ux, then it seems that we are not same. cant argue with that.
I didn’t say any of that. I am saying I care about the UX first. I don’t use meta/Twitter/alphabet social products for these reasons.
I would like to see instances also get a funding mechanism to support them without corporate overlords.
If you care more about your experience, then go pay to reddit and get an api key, then use some 3rd party app that suits you. Also reddit has a lot more content and more active
No?
May I politely ask why? Since you can have a lot more content and desired interface.
Seems a strange thing to be bothered by to that extent.
“all of them are hypocrite” what is this imaginary group being hypocritical about?
We are using lemmy, because its foss, because it doesnt commercialize anything, because its decentralized; if thats not the case for you just use reddit, there is a lot more content over there.
Sync is making money over fediverse, closed source, and collects data. So now, can you see the point?
Fuck right off with the gatekeeping you melt of a man child.
You are using lemmy because it’s FOSS, because it doesn’t commercialise anything, because its decentralised.
Chill out
If you dont use becuase what i have listed, there is no reason to stay here, just go where the content is more, and you can easily pay for api key and use custom interface for reddit.
Instead of spending your time with raging to a random stranger on internet, just ignore or logically discuss with me.
This type of comment and attitude is what reeks in FOSS. Really unfortunate.
So defending basic ideas of FOSS is what reeks in foss. If this is what you think, pls no need to discuss further
No, defending FOSS is not what reeks, it’s how people zealously go about defending it that does.
But you’re right, no need to discuss further.
I pay proton to use their webmail service, even though email is a free service.
I pay to register a domain name even though typing URLs into a browser are free.
I pay to host my website even though visiting websites is free.
Right?
It’s interesting how it’s just assumed that everyone is browsing on mobile. I remember ten years ago on Reddit people making fun of mobile users and extolling the virtues of the desktop.
Came from using Sync for probably close to a decade on Reddit, so I’m definitely a creature of habit switching back for it on Lemmy. That being said, I tried ALL the apps looking for a solid experience and nothing delivers like Sync (opinion). All of them were missing something that completed my experience, was that experience coloured by my time with Sync on Reddit, sure. For all the options Sync gives me I’m willing to pay the dev half the cost of a steak dinner. I’ve already spent 100x longer on Sync for Lemmy than it would take me to eat said steak.
As for FOSS, let’s just say it’s not the be all / end all. Look at all the options that Sync brought to the table in a month that Lemmy hasn’t added in the whole of its development.
Personally I feel like most of the folks complaining about Ads in Sync are just complaining to complain. The FOSS crowd is also the most likely to use ad blocking, filtered dns providers, pi-hole, adguard etc and if that’s the case they won’t even see a single Ad.
Honestly I tried many lemmy apps and most apps are worse than just the mobile website, except for sync which is just slightly better
Was using kbin, but upvote button breaks too much. I was going to fix it myself but its PHP 🤮
I was excited to try Sync after all the hype (read: advertising) on Lemmy, saw that it had ads, and noped the fuck out.
You do you, but I’m not gonna use that kind of garbage. Ads don’t “keep apps accessible”. Instead, they poison your mind specifically and suck balls in general. The entire advertisement model is flawed, and certain kinds of people only put up with it because they don’t know better.
there’s a lot of hate for sync out there, maybe it’s just because I’ve been using the Reddit version for years but I really love it. i do think some people aren’t aware that it’s only existed for Lemmy for about 3 or 4 days. there’s going to be issues this early on even if the codebase is adapted from a working app. an app this polished already is impressive to me, the pricing isn’t something a fan of but I can almost guarantee it’ll be evened out sooner or later
I feel like I’m the only person using Connect lol
Nuh uh! It’s the best we have until Lemmit matures enough.
I just installed it and I really like the UI/UX. Also if im always trying to use free and open source software sometimes it doesnt change anything if an app isnt open source.
Don’t forget this is a community built around Open Source software with many refugees who came because proprietary apps were forced on them.
literally no one is forgetting about that - And the great thing about Lemmy is that no one will ever be forced to use an app they don’t want to use, whether it be closed source or open source.
What OP is (rightly) complaining about, is the huge amount of holier-than-thou rhetoric that’s plastered all over the front page of Lemmy right now giving users shit for wanting to use a closed source app.
I love FOSS, I’m typing this comment on a linux desktop right this moment (arch, btw) - but sometimes the best tool for a job (by my own completely subjective opinion) is a closed source tool. Using a closed source app to access an open source system isn’t a betrayal of that open source system.
If you personally don’t want to use a closed source solution, or if you specifically think that Sync is a bad solution for any number of possible reasons, then you’re free to continue using open source solutions, I really don’t see why so many people care so much about what apps other people are using, Sync existing doesn’t take anything away from open source solutions (except maybe users, but again - you can’t force people to use your software)
the huge amount of holier-than-thou rhetoric that’s plastered all over the front page of Lemmy right now
All I’m seeing in the all frontpage is people glorifying Sync while belittling other apps and complaining about those complainers, Like dude, I have the sync community blocked because while I like that it exists, I don’t want to be force feed with that content, and now I still am because it’s being discussed in other communities.
What’s annoying is the way some people talk about the app, stating that it’s the objective best app ever, like zealots. I don’t give two flying fucks about the price but I swear that the alleged complaints of FOSS users may be in part because of the attitude of other users.
Please link me a single post other than this one that glorifies sync while belittling FOSS apps (not that this one belittles Foss apps in the slightest) - preferably with more than a dozen upvotes
Because I posted a screenshot in this thread with five of the top 10 posts on my front page being the exact opposite, and I really don’t believe you when you say that you’re being spammed with “sync zealots”
People like Sync, but it’s the haters that are being spammy and obnoxious about it, not it’s users
This is not a proprietary app (in the first party terms, it’s still a 3rd party app)
- Yes Okay I get it, yes it’s proprietary, but I’m saying everyone was gleefully using proprietary 3rd party apps on Reddit, Apollo was proprietary, RIF was proprietary, proprietary was not forced on anyone. 1st party apps were forced on us all.
- This is literally one of the apps Reddit killed off
- It’s literally not being forced on anyone
But it is proprietary. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software
I think the comment you’re replying to is not talking about late Reddit refugees but early FOSS enthusiast that were on Lemmy before. You’re missing the point.
It is by definition a proprietary app.
I have a problem with writing text that doesn’t read negative or angry, so a little disclaimer beforehand: it’s not :D
I see your point, I don’t tell them to change or not to embrace open source.
I like open source for various reasons (especially for learning), but not everything I use has to be open source by default.
I also understand the reasoning behind apps like Sync to remain private (non-paying user btw). If you put so much effort into a project you can go two routes: release it public or keep it closed and try to monetize it. When I use an open source app extensively and it brings value to my workflow or makes my daily tasks easier I’ll throw a few bucks their way (or a server license once), but how many really do that? If you release your app publicly with the option to pay or to see ads to, some people could just fork it and re-release it, stripped of both monetization models that were intended as support for the developer. (Again, from the point of view of a developer that wants to see some return for their investment of time.)
In my point of view we have the benefit of an open platform (unlike reddit). If any dev of a proprietary client fs up, you can change it without repercussions. Unless all instances suddenly decide to restrict API access or make their API pay-to-use all at once, we won’t see a shhow like with Reddit.
Sometimes I want something that works as expected and gives me a pleasant/polished experience when using it.
Forgive my exaggeration, but I usually don’t use my free time to look through the code of every program I want to use, at some point we reach that “I’ve read the TOS” problem", feels like no one even reads that anymore.
There are FOSS alternatives available. I personally use Jerboa daily.
Yeah I’m aware of the alternatives but I thought it could do with some rationale as to why people aren’t overly impressed with Sync as they were on Reddit. Nothing against the app tbh, happy with the one I have.
The Lemmy protocol is open source and you’re free to use an open source solution. You’re free to use sync for Lemmy in much the same way you can run a Spotify client in Linux. One does not destroy the other.
Tldr if you don’t like it, don’t use it.
Yeah yeah, but OP made a post about it so I thought I’d add some of the reasoning behind people being that way. I don’t care what app people use as long as I can use the one I like.
You’re free to use sync for Lemmy in much the same way you can run a Spotify client in Linux. One does not destroy the other.
I don’t understand these mini-Stallmans and their identical attitudes like this. One Stallman is enough, please develop a personality and realize that things do come in shades of grey.
I contribute to FOSS projects & I love Linux and have been using it professionally for a couple of decades, but I’m never going to stand up an LDAP server on it when Active Directory exists, the same way I’m never going to use Windows as a Docker host or a network load balancer.
Use the best tool for the job, don’t be a zealot.
The mini Stallmans have been waiting for the Mach kernal for 4 decades, it was bound to drive them a little crazy.
As much as those atrocious combinations give me the shivers, especially docker on Windows, we really should be advocating for the freedom of choice (even if that choice might be the wrong one). People should be free to do what they want, and such freedom should be celebrated.
but shouldn’t I go online and complain about it loudly?
How will anyone know I exist if they can’t hear (or read) my bitching?!?
Yeah, but only if you agree with the other people who are complaining loudly, otherwise it’s hardly worth the time.
This one dude has made this app for years and constantly updates it, fixes things, is responsive, and makes a great app. He’s now been more loyal to his users longer than Reddit has, and I personally have used his app daily for 13 years.
Yeah, I’ll happily pay for it.
FOSS is great but it doesn’t pay the rent people, this guy is doing this mostly as his main gig. This isn’t some huge corpo, it’s one guy who makes his living building the app he loves. I’m sure he’d love to make it FOSS if he didn’t have to pay bills on anything.
Upvoted via Sync lol. FOSS is great, FOSS is irreplaceable, but for independent programmers FOSS doesn’t pay the rent.
FOSS can pay the rent. But the users that will complain about £20 for a lifetime of ad removal, definitely aren’t going to be the ones that help him should the bank come calling about late mortgage payments.
This is the same crap I left /r/Linux for way back in the day, so so so many people who are all “Linux is the best way and you’re stupid for even considering windows or mac” but unable to see realities. Yes, of course I love linux and FOSS, I use it as my primary driver, but we live in a society where free work doesn’t pay for housing.
You’re exactly right, most of the “FOSS Open Source supreme” people will look at an app that was lovingly crafted for months, call it garbage, and then demand they make it free. I just can’t even with them.
Meanwhile I’d love to see the stats on how many hours a week they put into FOSS apps on their own, and if they’ve given up their jobs to code for FOSS apps for the good of the community.
I’m a developer. I code mostly proprietary stuff for my company. I’d gladly go code for FOSS projects, but so far my bank is just completely unwilling to cancel my mortgage payments, and my electricity, water, sewer, internet, they all want to be paid too, so unfortunately I’m stuck doing this.
These are the people that read Marx and then have a whole new world view, but they forget to take reality into account
Seriously, I honestly feel like this is a bad look for Lemmy right now. Like who cares how people enjoy Lemmy? Also, why do people care so much about how others spend their money?
Some of these people don’t even realize they are using a closed source app (connect) and have no problem with it, but when price is introduced all of a sudden people are up in arms.
Don’t like the price? Continue to use Sync(with ads) or use the other plethora of FOSS alternatives.
I think the issue a lot of folks have is people like yourself always connecting it back to profit/salary. A large portion of us are interested in Linux/technology/foss for personal reasons and this corporate stuff not only reeks but makes enough noise to drown out better long term solutions. Yes I do it professionally too and yes I fight the good fight but we do what we need to do, this dude does not need to do this. UX really just isn’t important when we’re talking about expanding human capabilities, or I should say UX is important but pretty things aren’t. My opinion anyway but I was raised to care about this stuff by one of those wizard beards so to see your attitude is prevalent just sucks, no disrespect and nothing personal.
That’s fine as your opinion, but it’s not a popular one. Many people tried lemmy and left almost immediately because they want a better UI. We come from the old usenet boards so we know what UI was like back then, but now people expect a great UI/UX to use a service. So yes, I understand the principals, but we shouldn’t demonize people who pay money for a better experience, and if you’re a developer I’m sure you know that a good UX costs some money, but a great UX costs a lot of money.
There’s also a lot of younger techies on the board cause if you even got remotely deep enough you’d have to learn how to use those user board websites to solve your extremely specific problems.
I’m all for FOSS (currently working at a company that contributes heavily to FOSS) and am a huge supporter/contributor of FOSS, but the level of entitlement and superiority complex that I’ve seen from many in the FOSS community (including yours) is highly unappealing, and at times frankly revolting. That’s what truly reeks and stains FOSS.
There’s an expression I think about a lot, “You can’t think when you’re hungry”
Unfortunately principles and ideals are calorie-free
Took me a minute to process, but that is a powerful one. I’m going to borrow that. Thanks for sharing lol
Entitlement? They’ve taken everything from us, not just software either, have some empathy. All proprietary solutions will die, we have a right to build for the future and we have a right to educate about it.
I have no qualms about building for the future and educating. I fully support that. What I don’t support is the brigading and the lambasting of users who choose to purchase closed or proprietary products. That is their right as much as it is yours to advocate for FOSS.
If “taking everything from us” is the issue, there are appropriate channels and mechanisms to defend against that. If you don’t want your FOSS software to be used in a priority setting, apply the correct licensing models and pursue legal paths. GPL-licensed FOSS is generally and effectively avoided by for-profit organizations. If you purposefully choose MPL or Apache for your license models, that’s really your responsibility for legally protecting your FOSS IP. Apply the right licensing model, it is literally a single button to change it if your source is on GitHub.
“Free and Open Source Software Open Source supreme”?
Maybe it was a tongue-in-cheek recursive acronym
It’s either a pizza or a Taco Bell menu item
Lemmy doesn’t have ads. If you have to pay to remove them don’t you think something is wrong with that? Why not pay for the community and useful features instead?
So for one he’s adding an option to fund your instance as well, but also just because it’s an app doesn’t mean that it also doesn’t require money.
Your argument doesn’t come off as “so both should be free” but to me more like “oh yeah I’m surprised Lemmy doesn’t have an ad option”
I’ve been on open source since the early 90s. I know damn well how people make money off of it and who makes money off of it.
I support none of it if it starts including tracking and ads. It goes against the whole mindset. Google fanboys love it though.
How do you think OSS has been funded since the early 90s?
Then pay to remove the ads. Someone has to pay at some point and it’s either you or the guy already spending his time to make the app.
That’s why there is an option to disable ads… Everyone wins unless they think this person’s work should be distributed for free.
Where did you read that he was adding something to fund instances?
You’re not paying to remove ads from Lemmy. You can continue using Lemmy ad-free on mobile via the mobile site or any of the other PWA’s or native apps. What you’re paying to remove ads from is Sync. The developer has decided that they need to be compensated to sustain the amount of effort developing and maintaining the app requires. If you don’t want to pay that price with cash or your eyeballs then don’t use it.
Nobody is forcing you to use Sync, nobody is forcing you to see ads. The beauty of a platform like Lemmy is you have the choice to use whatever client you want. That doesn’t mean you’re entitled to any of them.
The ads finance the app, I think that’s perfectly fine (in principle).
I asked the dev a few weeks ago, this app is literally his livelihood. And he has a pretty good track record of delivering good software. Why not support him?
If you think more ads is the solution that’s good for you. Ads are society’s cancer, so I have little choice other than to block it. (Paying to get rid of ads perpetuates the idea that ads are profitable. That’s up to you.)
So the three options for him to keep developing that we know of are 1) Ads 2) Pay for a license or 3) Fundraising. He offers 1 and 2, and 3 is well known to not work, seriously nobody donates. Check out
npm fundand how so little people used it that they just removed it.If your only argument is “I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free” then you aren’t getting much sympathy from me.
If your only argument is “I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free” then you aren’t getting much sympathy from me.
Well, the user is posting from the piracy instance
ha
Check out npm fund
Instructions unclear, I ran the command and now I have a shitcoin called Bitcoin Cash.
Off topic, but I just have to ask… is your name a reference to the IBM database technology? Lol
Nope, because I don’t have an issue with paying for something that I like and enjoy. Don’t like to pay? Nobody is forcing you to. Stop lambasting others for their choice.
The price is a bit steep for me personally, but I agree. I’m currently on Connect but the call from Sync is strong.
FOSS doesn’t mean your product/service/app is free to use
I understand people’s concerns and criticism over the use of Google-based ads, but I have no issue paying for no ads knowing how much work has been put into the app. I’m glad we have some great FOSS options as well (shoutout to Infinity and Thunder, among others!)
I mean you have yo question how much the guy values privacy if he even considered Google ads as a monetization model.
Google ads are really the only ones worth a damn. Easy to sign up, they pay very well, and their libraries are incredibly easy to implement.
The alternative is some no-name you’ve never heard of that requires you to apply for entry to use their platform and serves you virus ads.
Pick one
You can make it FOSS and still have some sort of subscription for syncing between devices for example. Tasks.org did it like that.
Not to mention that you can run something on donations like lichess or F-Droid and have some extra money.
NPM did donations too and found that <0.01% of users paid anything, and the average for even the most used packages made on average $40 a month. That doesn’t pay a full time fry cook, let alone developer
I remember this being a problem on GitHub where developers would full on attack NPM packages that requested funding or donations in the installer.
Core-js had a really rough ride with that one, and babel (one of their main users) could not spare any development time to work on it, in the absence of the single maintainer.
It’s kind of disappointing in FOSS circles how some just refuse to acknowledge that devs need to eat - not everyone codes open source software as a side/passion project in spare time.
Yup, I remember the core-js debacle, one dude literally supporting the entirety of the internet, tried everything he could just to get some funding from literally anyone, that was the 40 dollar mark I got, he got 40 dollars to maintain core-js. I’m sure even Lemmy here uses it.
He would receive threats on his github on this project he started for fun saying there were bugs, or they needed features, and he said he even received death threats for just asking for funding. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and Google all use core-js but none of them gave him anything for using it anywhere. He even asked them all if he could just come work for them and maintain corejs since they all use it so heavily, none of them responded. So he just gave up, and said basically screw everyone, no one wants to support me, my family has sacrificed too much for this project that no one wants to pay for, and he got a real job and stopped updating core-js.
It’s a sad story. Everyone here loves to praise FOSS, and if we lived in the Federation we’d be able to support FOSS simply by using it, but if you’re using it and not supporting the developers then you’re not truly a FOSS supporter. I’m really honestly ashamed with how people here have acted in this thread, principals are great but so few are willing to put their money where their mouth is. The donation button for Lemmy devs is right at the top, how many people in this thread have even clicked on it, let alone donated?
This meme just explained the post meme to me
Scatterbrained me sometimes forgets to add more context, because I forget other people can’t see what’s been going on in my head prior. Now you know how people at work feel when interacting with me.
Or when I do a “by the way…” remark to something that was discussed hours before and nobody knows what I’m referring to.
My brain could be used to feed entropy to /dev/urandom
why are you talking about my brain in your comment but referring to it as YOUR brain?
I live inside your walls oO
Jokes on you your brain is only psuedo-random and I have its seed value.
I relate so much to this. The funny thing is I probably would get your references lol.
I’m using Sync right now. I’ve tried a few different lemmy apps and this is the only one that actually works without bugs. Maybe because it’s a paid developers full time job and not just some free side project?
I do wish it wasn’t a subscription. Apps are generally a flat fee.
There is a flat fee for add removal, it was patched in yesterday so make sure you’re updated
I love Sync but it’s worth noting some basic features aren’t implemented yet like submitting posts.
bahahaha - all these people ready to hand over their hard-earned and you can’t even submit a post?
Dev’s built a lot of user trust over the years. He says it’s coming within the week. The app JUST released.
The point is, he’s already charging an exorbitant ongoing subscription cost and it isn’t even finished. I do not understand you people.
Some people have jobs and can afford to pay for things.
The guy has run a top reddit app for years. He launched the app in beta so people could use it now rather than wait. I have full faith in him, it’s a great app and it’s basically a straight port of his reddit app to lemmy.
No one is forced to pay
Comments like these really show you how much of Reddit has moved over to Lemmy. Annoying toxicity and all.
We may not like it, but this is what progress looks like?
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And?
Wait until the non-technical reddit exiles learn about defederation and start whipping themselves up into frenzies trying to purge things they mildly disagree with or flat out don’t like. Just like the good old days on reddit with banning people for participating in verboten subreddits.
Keep the worst of reddit and Twitter off lemmy, folks. Plenty of platforms for those types.
Lol
He worked on it, you don’t even have to pay to use.
To be fair, a lot of those people are Reddit refugees that fled to lemmy.world and were fairly removed to begin with. I’m honestly not even sure why they left Reddit to begin with.
Wait… are you saying that you can’t post using Sync? Wtf.
It’s an early beta so far.
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You can comment just not make posts, which is the majority of the user base tbf. There ability to post posts is coming soon afaik
The dev updated it a couple days ago so you could get Pro / ad-free with a one time payment.
I wouldn’t say it’s entirely bug free. There are silent crashes and sometimes your position is lost but it works fine.
yeah I think I’ll go to the ad removal fee. it’s expensive but I use it a lot 🤷♂️
I originally did the monthly sub because I didn’t have an option and that was the cheapest, it is kinda pricey but it’s light years ahead of what I was using
also I’m a developer and I think the guy who made it has probably working like mad to make this, and if it’s his sole income and it got pulled out from under him… idk. it’s a gamble to not just go get a 9-5 and work on this instead
bro has to eat and I already donate to my local instance.
Sync is a fine choice if you want to spend a ridiculous amount of money for an app that has 100 percent free alternatives, and also knowing that plenty of other third party Reddit app developers are working on Lemmy apps right now.
Absolutely nothing wrong with giving away a ton of money for no reason. Have fun!
Hard agree. $100 is a lot for a simple reddit app when there are multiple just as good alternatives available for free. It’s not a large amount but not a small amount either specially for people who are living in economically weaker countries.
You know I can’t afford fancy clothes. So I just wear cheaper brands. I don’t tell everyone wearing fancy clothes that there are cheaper brands available, I just let them be them and wear what they like. Maybe if I could afford it I would wear them too.
Really struggling to see everybody’s problem in the thread. If you don’t want to pay for an app don’t. If you’re happy with a less polished app use that. Why is everyone so intent on controlling what others should and shouldn’t do when it has absolute zero bearing on them?
I’m a Dev, I spend lots of my time in Linux, some might call me a power user I’ve been doing it for a lot of years, probably longer than most. Yet I use windows on my personal machine, I use windows because I like the polish, I spend all my time fucking around in Linux to get stuff working stuff that just works out the box in other os. I get why Linux is good I get why people like it, personally I like an easier life, I don’t want to spend 2 hours configuring some container to play a game or piece of software that would just work on windows. It’s part of what you pay for. The apps are much the same, I’ve tried many of the Lemmy apps since I moved here, some better than others all fairly decent but sync has a polish and presentation that is unmatched (in my personal opinion, your experience may be different) and I’m happy to compensate a developer for his time spent building the app, he gets to eat I get to mindlessly scroll it’s win win. Well it is until people start shitting their opinions all over the place.
You know I can’t afford fancy clothes. So I just wear cheaper brands. I don’t tell everyone wearing fancy clothes that there are cheaper brands available, I just let them be them and wear what they like. Maybe if I could afford it I would wear them too.
lol are you trying to imply OP cant afford 20 stupid bucks? XD
As I said, if you want to give your money away for no reason, more power to you. No judgement.
Some day you may realize what “different strokes for different strokes” means.
Your cost/benefit analysis is not identical to mine.
“for no reason” is laughable. It’s a highly polished app that’s been in development for over 10 years.
No need to get defensive just because of your buyer’s remorse.
Do you eat lead paint chips by chance?
There is a reason I’m posting for a product. It’s like saying you don’t need to buy a ps5 to game when you can use your 15 in 1 game thing you have at home. Is not the same
Except Sync is way more polished than a lot of the others, has a developer I’ve trusted for years, has more features…
Also in what world do you live in where $17 a year is a lot of money, or $100 for lifetime? Is it the year 1899? We’re over here complaining about Netflix closing in on $20 a month and you’re complaining about $100 for a forever license?
No $17 a year isn’t a lot. But it is a lot for something you can get for free.
hence why it’s pretty great that there’s a lifetime license…
For $20…?
For a lot of people $20 isn’t a figure that they’d be spending on something that’s having really good alternatives available for free.
Not saying that sync is bad or anything but the way you keep repeating how $20 or $90 for a lifetime licence is a steal sounds so patronizing to the people who can’t afford it.
But for a lot of people this is the best alternative. As I mentioned in another comment, people will generally pay if it gives them a good experience. I used Jerboa up until now but it did not have an easy UX like Sync has had. So yes, functionally there are alternatives, but in terms of ease of use? Sync is the best I’ve seen.
Have you heard of Boost?
Or Voyager (this one’s lemmy only)
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I was a redditor for 13 years. I bought the premium version of every app. Sync was never a standout for me.
$17 a year isn’t a lot, but when you consider that EVERY company is trying to fleece us all the time by using subscription models where we used to just buy products … It adds up.
Free user here, so preaching to the wrong person here, honestly. Also nothing is forcing me to continue using this app, when a better competitor emerges, that’s user choice for you. If you are happy with the app you’re using, fine, but stop looking down on people if they find your favourite not satisfying.
I personally support OSS devs (or even non OSS) with donations when I use their stuff extensively and find the “everything must be free”-mentality dishonest and a punch in the face of the people putting the work in.
The three stages of a long-term FOSS user:
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How the fuck do I do anything? I’m so lost.
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I’ve somewhat mastered how to use it and became a power user. I’m happy about this, I’ve developed a sense of superiority over those who don’t use it, and will now promote it constantly to others like a goddamn cult. My SO has left me and my family has disowned me, but I don’t care, they are too ignorant to be as enlightened as I am.
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(A decade or two later) I don’t even give a fuck anymore what somebody uses, this still works for me, and what works for you, works for you. Let’s just all coexist. OS and app development models don’t mean shit, common standards and protocols between them do. As long as I, a Linux user, can email a PNG to a Mac user and they can open it, we’re good.
It’s been like this since the mid-90s. Most of the people who are being annoying about it are in stage 2.
So it’s just growing up and becoming a more mature person? Don’t think that applies specifically to FOSS enthusiasts. The same could be said about coffee hobbyists, for example.
I’m at 3 and it’s been quite annoying all these posts about people pushing Sync glory, saying that every other app is basically a buggy garbage (I’m exaggerating). Like, dude, I enjoy the other apps and I am not having bugs, can you enjoy your app without belittling others? Thanks?
Maybe the reason some people are pissy with Sync is because even with their community blocked it’s bloody everywhere on the all feed. Like guys I get it you like it but pls stop.
Launch hype is always like that. Give it a week and things will settle down.
And then
- Network effects matter, supporting open source software promotes its adoption and lowers barriers to entry for technological literacy and accessibility, accelerating the technological and social development of humanity
Although that doesn’t have the same ring as “fuck these dumb cult members because i don’t care and they shouldn’t either”.
My qualms about proprietary software is due to privacy, not cost.
I don’t feel superior for using FOSS, I feel more secure (and usually am)
What version of Linux or unix are you using on your phone?
Graphene Os, although I’d love to move to Post market OS and Plasma Mobile once it’s ready
Nice. I may make a move to something like that soon as my phone is getting near the end.
I have the (perhaps irrational) fear that sitting too comfortably in stage 3 leads to the kind of complacency that allows things like Web Environment Integrity to escape the “shower thought” phase.
On principle I believe that people shouldn’t feel forced to restrict themselves to FOSS - I use Steam and barely ever pirate games
(ignore my Lemmy instance I guess); however, I think people should put some effort in understanding the consequences of always choosing the path of least resistance, at the very least.That’s not an issue with FOSS vs proprietary, but with large corporations needing to be broken up.
FOSS isn’t immune to that, its a known thing that large corporations can use their dominance of a market segment to infiltrate even totally open standards and make demands with the threat of leaving the standard (and therefore resigning it to becoming irrelevant).
This is especially true of web standards. Chromium is FOSS, yet Google can use its absolute dominance in the market place to force through changes to things like HTTP standards (also FOSS). My understanding is Microsoft and Google both have strong-armed stuff into C++ in the past as well
Thank you. Exactly what is happening and why I’m so exhausted. Feels like the stupid Mac vs Windows debates back in the day, with the even more annoying Linux users.
Yes exactly!
Or Commodore 64 vs Apple //e vs IBM PC. Unix System V vs BSD vs VAX/VMS. Gawd. I’m long past those days.
I’m a Linux user. Hopefully not too annoying lol. Also a Mac and Windows user. Because they’re tools and I find 'em useful for different things.
I would be very, very surprised if the people getting bent out of shape about an app charging money and/or displaying ads use a flip phone or Linux/bsd phone and no closed source anything. (Car? Network router? Fridge? Television? Seriously? There’s closed source firmware in so many things…)
If I am wrong I will eat crow but… Also how? That seems like unhinged religious zealotry.
I don’t care for loss of privacy and big corps fucking everyone. But hey I run pihole and ublock. It’s not perfect but I have too many other far more important priorities, like friends, family, enjoying life, work, etc. to go all jihad against all closed source software.
I remember being all absolutist and dogmatic in my thinking when I was in my 20s. I gained perspective and chilled in the last 30 years.
Spot on. For that matter, this is the pattern I’ve seen in computers since the 80s.
I prefer my version of stage 3: I still care about software freedom and advocate for it (as well as related issues like interoperability, privacy, and right to repair) but without being an obnoxious fanboy for “Linux” or talking down to people who still use non-free technology for whatever reason.
Simply caring about an issue doesn’t make one a cultist or zealot, and not caring about anything does not make one enlightened.
I’m currently a mix between 1 and 3. Learning 2, but not the shitty part of it.
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Unfortunately I don’t know how in your case as I’m not even on Lemmy, I’m on Kbin.
This is a prime example of my last point though. Interoperability is all that matters, and we can still communicate even using completely different servers and apps. Just like email. I don’t remember there being giant internet flamewars over email clients back in the day, people thought of email as “just email” and it didn’t matter what you used.
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